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In naming Sweden's newest princess Estelle, the Royal Family is trying to revive the legacy of Folke Bernadotte, the Swedish royal and diplomat who was assassinated in Israel, argues biographer Göran Burén.
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The United Nations described it as "A cowardly act which appears to have been committed by a criminal group of terrorists." Fair comment in most people's opinion. The ungrateful cowards who organised this disgusting execution of a man who had saved 30 000 of their people were: The later Prime Minister of Israel, Yitzhak Shamir, Yisrael Eldad, Nathan Friedmann and Emmanuel Strassberg. What fine men they must have been. How they must make their country proud; even now.
In 1995, Shimon Peres blessed FD with his "thanks for the rescue of the Jews and regret that he was murdered in a terrorist way." One must assume from these weasel words that Mr Peres' regreted that FB was not murdered in another, less disgusting way. He also said, "We hope this ceremony will help in healing the wound." It hasn't. It remains the most disgraceful betrayal and murder of a man with 30 000 Jewish souls to his credit, and a lesson to anyone interested in the moral values of the state of Israel.
I am no particulary pro-semitic or anti-semitic, but for sure I am always amazed how the jews treat the palestinians in the few places they live in in israel.
Seems like someone learnt well from the nazis. The wrong lessons, but learnt well.
Göran Burén
Even if the choice of names was because of the above case (again I seriously doubt it), where's the evidence to back up this claim?
Water under the bridge and spilled milk..
That the Swedish royal family have never visited Israel is quite unimportant. The same goes for the British royal family and the others. The oil commoditiy is far too important to lose. The Arabists in the european civil serices will never allow it.
The hashemite kings of the newly formed countries of Iraq and transjordan were trained, led and armed by the British in the invasion during the war of independence. That is, the Arabs who invaded the newly formed Jewish state The armed fortresses spread around the country were handed over to the Arabs with weapons. while at tghe same time, Jews who were caught holding arms were severely punished, often by hanging.
whether or not Bernadotte saved lives of Jews I don't know. However, to say he was neutral is stretching the truth somewhat. Like the vast majority of hie elitist ilk, he was no friend of Israel.
Robin Hood, you besmirsh a fine "fictional named person," you show your coulours openly and one does not have toi scratch your surface very deeply to see what is underneath. Are you a fascist loony leftie or a nazi creepy rightie?
So I am thankful there are better reasons than THAT.
Please would you post more on this theme. We "fascist loony lefties" and/or "nazi creepy righties" at the Local very much enjoy hearing from you. My own "open coulours" (sic) clearly aren't quite open enough for you to differentiate a Nazi righty from a loonie Leftie. All the same, I particularly enjoyed the bit "To even allege of anti Arab action by the Jews there is a total fabrication." That was a great. Lots more about that please.
Also, Robin Hood is not a country.
You forgot to mention that Menachem Begin, later Nobel Peace Prize laureate, was the leader of the Stern Gang.
It's amazing how people can create issues that were never there to begin with ...
Sounds unprecedentedly interesting...You didn't say what was the reason of assassination, did you?
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Just the point that I was trying to make. Thank you.
#6 Methinks that your choice word would be better suited to describe someone who claims to know what goes on inside other people's minds.
BTW, rudeness is a common strategy for one who lacks intelligent arguments.
@Robinhood. my typing, Meant to write from the country. I am pleased you enjoy reading more truthful accounts and not just revised history. No, I am unable to note whether you are loony left or rabid right ,as both display an awful ingnorance and hate towards the jews and history. In fact one is National Socialism, the other is International Socialism, so what's the difference?
Did you find anything to correct regarding my account of the British mandate of Palestine? The Arabs rioted and were responsible for slaughtering of Jews. Still that is nothing new, as the Muslims in Islamic lands have a record of just that. did you check the Tegart forts the British handed over to Arabs, along with arms and munitions, while ensuring the Jews were unallowed to hold weapons to defend themselves against Arab aggression. In 1948, the world sat on the side, so soon after the Holocaust in Europe and waitied for another slaughter of Jews in Israel. Just as the world is doinf today with Syria, though on a lesser scale.
regarding the name, surely the choice is for the parents and if they want to commemerate FB that is their choice. From what I have read FB was hardly neutral, as far as his plans showed, he was openly on the side of the Arabs. There is no doubt that if the British had not played people off against each other, many problems around the globe would not be present today. Lawrence promised the Arabs indepent homelands after the Ottomans were kicked out. Look at the countries they received, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc. The Kurds, too, were promised their own independent state and they never received it. The Jews were promised their own homeland in Palestine. Britain did everything it could after the San Remo Declaration in 1920 to stop Jewish independence. Their chattering classes were (and still are) suffering from a serious outbreak of Jew hatred. Britain needed to retain control of the land, as a course between the UK and India.
Anything else you need to know? Most of this can be found quite easily in any library, or on intelligent sites on the web. Happy hunting laddie
That was jolly interesting. Please would you write some more. My "library" and "intelligent sites" seem to have been written by ignorant fellows from either the "loony left or rabid right" and it's great to read your "truthfull account", of the assisination of FB, correcting the mistakes and obvious lies of the world's respected but clearly misinformed historians - such as Göran Burén.
Carry on Motti. You're doing a great job informing us Jew hating chattering classes here at the Local about how it really is.
Agree that it could be a random choice of name, but royalty is so much about symbolism that it is likely in my opinion that the name is meant to evoke a reference to FB.
The main item of interest that no one disputes is that FB acted for the benefit of the oppressed, during and after the war, according to his own judgement of the very different situations, and so the only controversy here surrounds the manner of his death, not his valour as an individual.
According to this article, the royals wanted to say something about FB when the Isreali president Herzog visited Sweden, but they were not allowed. By naming the future Queen Estelle, this can be viewed as making a silent statement of protest that will last a lifetime.
During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Sweden allowed the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport (June-July 1941) the 163rd Infantry Division along with howitzers, tanks and anti-aircraft weapons and associated ammunition, from Norway to Finland. German soldiers traveling on leave between Norway and Germany were allowed passage through Sweden — the so-called permittenttrafik. Iron ore was sold to Germany throughout the war.
Also the father of Queen Silvia made a fortune from a factory seized from Jewish owners in Nazi Germany.
I suppose to what you and some others of your Israel hating clique, I am sure it will be interesting. I noted that you made no effort to agree or disagree though with what I wrote regarding history.
The only difference between rabid rightwing National Socialism hatred of the Jews and the loony leftwing International Socilaism hatred of Israel is "Inter." That is why I say there is no difference between the two.
It is such a pity that people need to hate as they must be so unhappy. Me? No, I refuse to hate, I don't wish to lower myself to that level as a human being.
How do you answer that then Robin? Going to rob the poor to pay the oil rich Arabs ?
No. Those were not the names I had in mind when I thought of the Beautiful Swedish names for girls. I was thinking more of Astrid, Sonja, and Christina. Of course I am not the least bit objective—those names are attached in my memory to some real woman who brought a LOT of beauty into my life.
"It is such a pity that people need to hate as they must be so unhappy. Me? No, I refuse to hate, I don't wish to lower myself to that level as a human being."
i assume that you fail to recognize Palestinians as human beings! and i can tell you why is that... rolling those tens of comments you made on this very site.
@RobinHood
I agree with everything you wrote but the last line, showing how it was indicative of Israeli morals. It was extremely horrible that that even happened, but assuming that Israelis would support this action if they knew he saved 30,000 Jews is unacceptable. I don't even think they know of this man in all honesty, I did not myself until now.
@gh2008
Israelis recognize 'Palestinians' as human beings. It is the other way around my friend. The leader Mahmoud Abbas does not recognize a Jewish Israeli state, and the leading militant group in the country Hamas wants to kill Jews. Maybe if they changed those things they would be nicer to the 'Palestinians'. From the Hamas charter:
"The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!
Bernadotte was in Jerusalem as head of a UN mission sent to resolve what was then known as "The Palestinian Question". Every Jew in Palestine knew exactly who he was, why he was there, and that he had saved 30 000 Jews from the Holocaust. Many of those 30 000 actually lived in Palestine at the time. No place should have been safer or more welcoming.
There can't be many more debase acts in the modern history of the Jews than this assassination. It's hardly surprising you and Motti hadn't heard about Bernadotte before. If my people had done something so awful, I wouldn't want people to know about it either.
Your figure of 30,000 Jewws is incorrect, the total included some 1,600 Jews who were brought to Sweden with others of varying nationility, many Scandinavians amongst them.
I wrote that I had never heard of Goran Buren and asked whether the spelling was correct. Nothing was shown on Wikipedia.
The watchman certainly real historical facts beeter than you, unfortunately you choose to disregard any history which is afvourable to the Jews or Israel. Why would 30,000 Jews living in Israel need FB during the war? This is not untrue, it is ridiculous and I suggest you are clutching at anything at all to discriminate your arguement.
Perhaps you might explain why the UN and the so called Arab refugees need UNRWA after all these years and the billions of dollars accepted by the PLO from western countries tax payers? All the millions of real refugees at the aftermath of world War II never had any UN organisation assistance. Nearly one million Jewish refugees from Islamic lands were forced to leave and neither did they, nor their descendents receive a penny or oere of assistance.
Probably this billions of $ given to the PLO (and the US State Dept in the late 1980's were concerned where the money had gone) explains how the terror organisation can afford to pay the late paedophilic Arafart's widow Suha an an annual stipen of $16 million. Any comments on that from you or from AHA?
Having a king as head of state in this modern age is a joke. Having a simpleton for king is an embarrassment.
And by the way, Palden Jenkings, I'm not a child of a figment of your imagination, thank you.
True that Israel should have been more welcoming, and he should not have been assassinated. I don't know about it because no one even mentions Sweden in Canada. Not because of an alleged Israeli conspiracy. The only time Sweden gets mentioned in Canada is for 3 reasons, hockey, IKEA and Abba. There is nothing about Swedish history presented to us, nor even Scandinavian history.
As well, about $900 million donated to the Palestinians was transferred to Arafat's bank account. It is not a wild guess that some of this money was used to sponsor terrorism against Israel, if not at the very least starving them of economic assistance. Arafat and his cronies seemed to care far more about money than the average resident in the area. Perhaps RobinHood, I think you should find some youtube videos of Palestinian schools and media. It was really shocking for me.
Well well, all these talks and nothing new... I'd be tuned in to see what happens in the next few decades... Would be interesting to see if/when All Mighty Dollar gets exchanged by All Mighty Euro or All Mighty RMB.
However, I still think the royal family were aware whom the last Estelle Bernadotte was. It's common practice to re-use names of family members. They might not have done so on purpose though. If their next kid is a boy and he gets Folke as a name, then it definitely proves Goran Buren's point.
If I were into conspiracy theories, I might suggest a struggle between the Swedish government and the "unruly" royal house. Carl Bildt obviously doesn't want to mess with Israel, he seeks to silence the royals. But the birth of a princess carries too much PR power, it cannot be silenced by the government once the royal family starts referring to Folke's wife in press conference. As a last resort, the government hacked the royal families website to demonstrate power and cause confusion, which explains the strange " Ulrika Marianne Annika David" that showed up. Or maybe " Ulrika Marianne Annika David" was the agreed name between the royal family and the government, but the royals pulled off a surprise attack and later blamed the other name as "wrong" and "don't know how it got there". If the government cuts the royal funding in the next few months, then it might indicate the possible occurrence of such struggle.
I do not think however that the naming of the princess has anything to do w/ Count Bernadotte but honoring a beloved relative and friend his wife Estelle.