Sweden Democrats in bid to 'help' immigrants leave

It's a fantastic idea and Sweden needs more ideas like it. With good ideas like this it's not hard to see why SD is Sweden's 3rd-most popular party after the latest polls.

Just pull the free housing and other free subsidies and they will stampede the border...

I have a better suggestion. The best way is to give the immigrants a job in the field of their education, many of them will leave Sweden to some other countries, as soon as they get enough job experience to be employed to another country!

Most of immigrants get their education and degrees in some years in Sweden, but can't get job and the require experience in their field to be able to leave Sweden. Otherwise, there is nothing interesting about living in Sweden.

What is interesting about living in humiliation, in a country in xenophobia? When somebody would be able to get a job in UK, France or US, pay the tax and live without a social pressure for decades in a country like Sweden!

Don't worry; give the immigrants a proper job; they themselves leave Sweden after some years! There are already many top immigrants (professionals) leave Sweden to somewhere else.

I wish the US would do something like this...

I think this goup is approaching this respectfully. I agree with it, if you aren't doing your part to become a part of society and pay taxes, learn the language, then leave.

@randomchick:

In US ??? If you are not a native American then most probably you are an immigrant too in the US :)

Savvy,.,.,

@skatty

The government, ie, us swedish taxpayers, already pay 80% of the salary for unemployed immigrants.

http://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/For-arbetsgivare/Stod-och-service/Insatser-och-program/Utlandsk-bakgrund/Instegsjobb.html

dont be stupid if you want to play that game the native americans crossed the bering strait before they split. so they are immigrants to. the white american does not look like a white english man or aussi. different bone structure. i would say up to the WWI there were no real immigrants i. n the USA. it was growing so fast and so much untouched land.

this is a good deed done here im glad to read it.

Sounds like a good idea. I'm not big on certain aspects of the Sweden Democrats but this sounds like an idea I'd endorse.

@jostein #6

You see one ridicules problem with Swedes is ignoring the facts, when facts don't fit with their needs and mentality!

I am speaking about immigrants, who have been living in this country for decades, and can speak Swedish, have studied in Sweden, and still can't find jobs in their field, have never found a job in their field. Thousand of them are working as taxi driver, or restaurant workers and, thousand other low level jobs in this country for decades!

Now, let me tell you how Swedish mentality works; as soon as I speak about immigrants, who don't find jobs:

First, they bring the alibi of Swedish language; blab, blab, blab, this immigrant and that immigrant can't speak Swedish, or immediately refer to SFI!

Second, when Swedes realize that I am not speaking about that kind of immigrant, then there would be the alibi of education, blab, blab, blab, this one or that one doesn't have the education.

Third, when they realize that there are many, many immigrants, who already have a Swedish degree, and can speak Swedish language, there would be the alibi that immigrants don't want to leave their place and move to somewhere to work, where jobs are!

Fourth, when they realize that there are many immigrants, who did all the expectations from the wonderful Sweden, and still can't find job; the answer would be:

You know what, there is no job; just shut you mouth, and do some cleaning job, or whatever we ask you to do!

you are definitely right, I am the first in my family to be born in the US. My parents moved here in the 70's. My dad got his US citizenship from joining the US Navy and serving during Vietnam. I really wasn't trying to offend anyone at all, but part of moving to another country is assimilation. You have to be able to support yourself and make it.

i wonder who are these people reading this news here and making comments? are not also immigrant in some way? may be not unemployed because you got lucky to born with white skin and in EU or USA...

after finishing my masters from a swedish university, i have been applying for jobs where requirement is high school degree in economy. but guess what?? i am still unemployed, although i worked in a MNC in my country but all my education, swedish language not enough.

Good idea, more of this.

Nice idea!

Extremely nice idea!

lol SDU...bunch of loonies.

Wonderful idea, keep it up !

When I came to Sweden I immediately applied for a job in my specialty. I sent 23 CVs here and there and I got six answers: "You are overqualified". That happened 26 years ago. So, I changed my line and I have been successful since then. I have never receive a penny from the Swedish government and never requested one. I believe that the Sweden Democrats have a good idea that should be seriously considered and not be thrown into the trash just because it is an idea of the Sweden Democrats.

The Swedish culture is dying - accept change and let go of this reclusive prejudice you have here.

Sweden and it's culture is the most boring and primitive culture of the so-called cultured world. Thank G-d that this Swedish culture is dying. Does anyone really care in this world what the Swedes think or what happens to Sweden. Sweden, the mother-in-law of the world and yet one of the most insignificant countries on this planet. Good riddance Sweden ...

@skatty, you said it better than me.

I know an elderly man, a respectable father in an immigrant family. He worked as senior engineer in energy system in Asia, one of the top 10 among the Fortune 500 companies. He moved to Sweden to reunite with his wife who became a researcher. The man learned Swedish while looking for jobs. In the meantime despite his age he took a master degree in computer engineering at a Swedish university, hoping to expand his opportunities of getting a new job. Sadly, he got no job in either of his expertise areas. Nobody offered even the ALMIGHTY "instegsjobb" jostein bragged so much about. It's not the language, education or lack of will, but definitely age- and ethnic-related discrimination. After many years of looking he finally got "praktik" as college admin in the same Swedish univ he got the master from. I sincerely hope he can turn the praktik into a full employment and work there as long as he wishes.

You guys that praised this, are you immigrants of Sweden? Just curious.

I believe many immigrants can support this although it comes from SD. There is obviously alot of unhappy people here as a result of being jobless and just don't like it here. There are monetary benefits for all sorts of things so why not help the immigrants that have not got a job and have grown bitter of Sweden? Like many posters of this forum.

And no, this is not a excuse for discrimination.

@runninblues Who are you talking to? That's pretty arrogant to say that kill my own culture.

Some of you do not fully understand the immigrants' situation. Generalization is too easy, but most families face different problems. Sometimes the husband or wife has a job, but his/her spouse has trouble finding one. The salary of one combined with another's "socialbidrag" is not enough for a decent living for an entire family with kids. That's the way many immigrant families suffer. If you are poor then of course you can only afford buying food at Willy's and live in poor areas with cheaper housing. Nobody wants to live in Rinkeby or Rosengård, if they can choose. I remember how my parents biked for miles to hit the cheapest supermarket when I was a kid. Luckily they are better-off now so they drive Volvo. To me SD's idea seems like a joke. Do you send the unemployed person away, splitting up a family to let both get job? Or do you choose to stay united and stay poor? This is not a humane choice to make. Another "solution" is to divorce, divide up custody of the children and find new partners. Which in my opinion, happens a lot among Swedish families. But the immigrant families I know don't consider that an option, for obvious reasons. If being "promiscuous" is part being "Swedish" then I'm proud of not being "Swedish" on that one.

@Max Reaver

Did I miss something or when does this suggestion push for immigrants families to split up? Those who *want* to move should get help.

God I hope we could pay to help Sweden-racist people like EP to get out of here. What gives you the right to be that hateful? Because our culture (admitedly) is boring? Hell no. I think one reason why so many on this site are so bitter is because it's really hard to get friends in Sweden. It's sad so many people feel socially rejected here.

@ffa11

Do not jump too quickly onto conclusions. I implied nothing like you said and I don't think immigrant families can be "pushed" by some SD youths to split up families. I'm just pointing out the impracticality of this idea among many immigrant families. SD's new method might work for the ones who don't have family ties that make them stay here. Talking about social rejection, well, lots of Swedes feel socially rejected too.

A very good idea because it is realistic and humane, it tackles the problem of social isolation leading to criminality head on. his humane idea could help a lot of people, it can only be good for a lot of unhappy disillusioned immigrants to go back to their home country and resume a family life.

Do they really think those immigrants will exchange the ever so generous Swedish social welfare system for a bag of goodies? Why do you think there are virtually no immigrants in countries like Poland, Hungary etc? Because their benefits system is based on the principle 'too little to live, too much to die'! :P

Send them back together with refugees and asylum seekers to USA, UK, France and Russia , the countries that cause eternal political, economical and social

problems worldwide.

NONSENSE !!!

Another SD propaganda and publicity. Who cares...

Ok, let me give you a second suggestion.

There has always been complaining by Swedes that refugees are moving to Sweden and Swedes can't do any thing. My question is why in the first hand Sweden gives residency to refugees if it doesn't want them to stay in Sweden.

Refugees move to Sweden, but it's the Swedish authority which is able to accept or reject them. There are thousand times more refugees moving from one border to another border in developing countries, and live in refugee camps for ages, or force to go back.

My second suggestion to Sweden is, don't accept and force everybody to return back or keep everybody in refugee camps until the time they would be able to return; if Sweden really doesn't want refugees.

But, the fact is that Swedes accept refugees, give them permanent residency, give them citizenship, ask them to learn Swedish, and then call them parasite, humiliate them in their entire life, make them miserable and at the end ask them to accept whatever the Swedish labor market expect them to do!

#3

@skatty

Right on spot! I totally agree with you. Only that educated immigrants are a minority in Sweden. What educated immigrant would choose to come to Sweden to begin with?

#28

@skatty

Right on spot again, brother!

@skatty

"I am speaking about immigrants, who have been living in this country for decades, and can speak Swedish, have studied in Sweden, and still can't find jobs in their field, have never found a job in their field."

Maybe this is the wrong country for them then? Nobody asked them to come here. And many of these people have been living off wellfare all their time in sweden. Enough is enough. Time to go home.

And its not "your field" just because you got an education in that direction. Universities does not make engineers, engineeringcompanies makes engineers. That you dont know that makes me wonder what path of life you are from?

Furthermore, i see you use the word "refugees" alot. Only 5% of immigrants in sweden arrive as refugees. The reason that sweden insists on accepting heaps and heaps of colonists is because the swedish media is controlled by antiswedish extremists. After 2 decades of pushing the politicians crumbled in 2002, after the purges of M there was noone left to resist the journalists. Since then the extremists have been running the show. And there will be hell to pay.

I've got a better idea, how about forcing unemployed immigrants to leave, maybe Saudi Arabia can take a few, they are a super rich country.

i have been reading most comments here but i think there is one which gives some sence but others they dont think ...they just write... the thing is all about helping these pple in the labour market but not throwing them out..what of the swedish who have never worked in there lives, just holding babies from year to year and drinking from morning to evening...what r they doing,,,just seating home and waite for money but these immigrants try to look for jobs from company to company but they r turned away. let there not be discrimination...thats not a good idea at all for the sd its just do put much attention on there political campain

There is no need to "help" immigrants leave if they had not been accepted in the country. Sweden has accepted everybody, including me, and then they do not know what to do with them (excluded me that I never used the system).

@christo is half right, but only half right. Swedes and non Swedes have utilized the welfare system at will. The difference is that if the Swedes look for a job, it is going to be easier for them to get one. I have witness this for so many years that it is almost lost in the never ending story of immigration in Sweden.

But, as I wrote in a previous post # 16

"I believe that the Sweden Democrats have a good idea that should be seriously considered and not be thrown into the trash just because it is an idea of the Sweden Democrats."

This happened already. Just read todays "newspapers" and you will see. That is the reason I am the OUIJA.

Skatty: "Most of immigrants get their education and degrees in some years in Sweden, but can't get job and the require experience in their field to be able to leave Sweden. Otherwise, there is nothing interesting about living in Sweden."

Me: Most immigrants that don't integrate, can't speak Swedish, and live off of welfare for 10 years, DON'T HAVE DEGREES and DON'T TRY TO GET ONE. They come from the 3rd world, expect the gov't to pay their way, have a strange sense of entitlement, take the longest time possible in SFI (so they can get funding as long as possible, up to 2 years) and they live in their own enclaves and don't even try to integrate. I immigrated to Sweden almost 1 year ago, I found a job within 4 months and I don't even have a specific "field" that I work within, I also know 3 other immigrants that have actually TRIED and they succeeded in getting a job within a year of coming here. In my opinion, if you don't have any job (even a menial one) within 2 years, you're just not trying. It's not that hard.

Skatty: "What is interesting about living in humiliation, in a country in xenophobia? When somebody would be able to get a job in UK, France or US, pay the tax and live without a social pressure for decades in a country like Sweden!"

Me: Living in humiliation? What are you talking about? If they're humiliated by getting free housing, barnbidrag, and socialbidrag, they can get on the next plane home. We didn't ask for them to move here, but we take care of them regardless because it's the right thing to do. I pay for those benefits out of my own pocket and I think if you're an ungrateful leach on the system for over 10 years, it's time for that to stop. There are people much more deserving of aid.

I don't support the SD, but I am an immigrant and I want this proposition to go through. It will make Sweden a better place.

Greysuede #26

You have written a short sentence filled with so much rubbish.

It is staggering to think that a fool like you could actually type so many big words. Did you need a dictionary to spell 'UK'.

I am an immigrant in this fine country, and I will happily go back if I am given a big big payment to leave. Then, a nice, clean, blond swedish person can have my low paid job. I have not worked in the area I have nearly 20 years experience in since I came here. Sweden needs immigration to support the aging population.

If you want me to leave you average country... come on....

Sweden is an OK place to live but it is made worse by people like you.

Q: If the SD gain significant political power and I am asked to leave the country, does my swedish wife and our swedish born kids need to leave as well?

What happens if my county refuse my swedish wife entry.

In England there are approximately 30, 000 swedish people. I think the English should throw out all the swedish people. And exactly how many sweds are perving in Thailand

And here's the song:

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/i-pity-the-poor-immigrant

If it's entirely voluntary, the SD proposal sounds like a good idea to me and one which some immigrants in that zone should appreciate and make use of.

However, a comparison between 100,000 Swedish kronor and a prognosis of the basic cost to the Swedish state, of maintaining an immigrant on life-long social welfare support in Sweden, accommodation, health care, schooling, etc. + a pension would show that 100,000 a year is much less than what it costs to maintain an unemployed or unemployable immigrant in Sweden for even a year.

So, could the SD consider raising the level of enticement for despondent immigrants to return to from whence they came? Then more immigrants would be tempted and not just for the short term prospect of being a millionaire in e.g. Zimbabwe - and perhaps be happier to leave for their home pastures....

Would the SD like to add the proviso that once such an immigrant/ immigrant family take the money and leave they cannot easily return? That too would be reasonable.

I can think of a few alternative ideas one of which would be to encourage some of the younger qualified immigrants to work abroad in their fields, through organizations like "volontär" - as sort of Swedish Peace Corps volunteers... at least they would then be doing meaningful work

#34

@Swedepea

You certainly know a lot about immigrants after having lived here for "ALMOST ONE YEAR"! It is much easier to find a job for an uneducated immigrant than for an educated one.

@Klubbnika

How hostile you are. Interesting. First off, I am not "uneducated." I have a general education degree (that's 4 years of every subject) from an American Uni, but it gives me more options than those that decided to back themselves into a corner by getting a ridiculously specialized degree. Bad life choices are not my problem. But again, it's not the educated immigrants they're wanting out of Sweden. And I'd say I've accomplished more in 1 year here than many unmotivated immigrants have accomplished since they set foot here (be it 5, 10, or even 15+ years). Put forth some effort and you'll have a better chance of succeeding, simple.

The SDU and there types don't like any immigrants. It doesn't matter if they are uneducated and lazy, highly educated and energetic, white or of color, from hell-hole Africa or the USA, they dislike them all.

One day I told my swedish friend , I hate when people think I am immigrant, and I am here studying and paying my own expenses. She answered me:

No one choose to be asylum person or migrate.

It's funny that swedish people forgot that thousands of them migrated to USA long time ago.

Oh my GOSH!! So much hate!! I am from a very stable,peaceful,self sustained 3rd world coutry in Africa called Botswana, and i will soon move to Sweden because my Husband is Swedish. Is this how you view and talk to immigrants? Are we different from you in anyway? don't we have the same body parts as you?(which makes us all human)?

Pass it! Where do I sign up for flight benefits for a one way trip home?

atlast atlast !! Sweden is Awakening !! Yey !!

@Kellyted

I dont specifically which comments you refer too. But yes there is a lot of hate towards Swedes on this site and alot of hate towards immigrants on other sites.

There problems with racism in Sweden ofcourse, but there are many immigrants like you in Sweden living in Sweden.

@lifeee

Perhaps you missunderstood what your friend said and should confront your friend instead?

lifee's friend was trying to say: since you are in Sweden and you are not white Swede, then you are an immigrant. If you dislike being viewed as one you should stop being the immigrant and get the f@ck out of the country. What lifee meant was, "I'm not one of those immigrants ppl sayliving off social benefits, but obviously the local Swedes can't see any difference".

@ Mr abaeterno

no need to spell UK, Dublin, Belfast, Las Malvina, Grand Britain, India or whatever. say no more...

30,000 Swedes in the UK? Unbelievable! Do you mean Ulrika and Goran or the vagrants from N.Africa, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, etc. who yesterday got some papers from Sweden by odds and moved to UK, Germany, etc. calling themselves Swedes, British, Germans, etc. whenever they need it and wherever they are in.

as to sweds perving in Thailand it's too exaggerated and only left to Swede-Thai relationship to their own devices.

so don't talk garbage being ignorant!

@ Greysuede,

What are u talking about?

It is a recognised phenomenon that educated immigrants leave Scandinavia while the uneducated stay. You guys need to lower the welfare payouts and open your job market to people with relevant degrees. Otherwise it is going to get really bad.

i have a better idea! help the immigrants start their own businesses and be self sufficient.don't just give them money give them money for a purpose to start a new life.i know when you give people money with no purpose in mind the money goes to waste.we all know that the job market in sweden is bias,racist,discriminating towards certain immigrants,so there's no point in pointing fingers at the problem.sweden needs to even the playing field(affrimative action) like them did in america in the early 60's.i know people are not in love with affrimative action for minorities and women but i see it's needed in sweden.if you don't have some type of affrimative action in sweden you will see in the future a lack of innovation and ingenuity in the swedish environment. what makes north american great is it's multiculturalness and not it's homogenous and secular environment. this multicultural stuff is really new in europe as a whole,it took north america over 450 years to get it somewhat right. if you give these immigrants a hope to dream they will dare the dream! when that happens and they see the doors opening to their kind,they will take respond and taction to improve their lives. it happens in north america all the time and they see people of their kind being successful then they dare to dream.

Love this SD idea!! Sweden has become overrun by uneducated, lazy, criminals from the Middle East & Africa. Get them outta here!!!

Excellent idea. I've said it before. The government should be doing it though. If the Swedish government insists on paying out welfare to immigrants, costs could be sharply reduced by paying them welfare in their home countries. The ones who take the offer are the ones who are in Sweden for the money. Give them a number of years of welfare payments in their home countries to reestablish themselves, then bar them from future residency in Sweden. Simple cost effective solution. Everyone is happy. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would really like the terms of this deal.

Punch of Lunatics!

Who the hell would leave a place that offers things that would never be available in third world countries. Lets the SDU people go try living there. If it works for them then it should works for everyone.

#44

"There problems with racism in Sweden ofcourse, but there are many immigrants like you in Sweden living in Sweden."

No, there are problems with racism in Sweden, of course, but there are many immigrants like you in Sweden LIVING IN AFRICA."

What a beautiful discovery: "immigrants like you in Sweden living in Sweden".

I do not like to discuss grammar, but I like to discuss common sense.

No one is planning to force anyone to anything, looks to me like they're simply planning to help let people who may want to, know about their options for returning to their home country.

How is this racist? I'm sorry but I don't see the problem here... Sending out information packets is bad?

Get over yourself.

I understand that there are immigrant families out there in different situations. Many do the right thing by going to SFI, looking for employment, futhering education, etc. But there are a real lot out there that don't do any of these when they see how easy it is to just get welfare. These are the ones that work hard in their home countries and get barely anything for it and then come to Sweden and get more money from welfare while doing nothing. Then they can have babies and get paid for that too. Why would they want to leave Sweden or even go anywhere else? It's not the sort of life I would like to lead knowing that I wouldn't be able to save enough to own my own home, travel, etc. But these people have different outlook on life, different culture and because Sweden (amongst other countries) is "multicultural" we just have to put with it.

I like SD's idea. If it came from another movement (say, hypothetically speaking, Christian Democrats) them I think it would have more support. But since the sort of people they're targeting don't WANT to go home because they have it too good here, then a different approach is needed, something more feasible.

One can argue no one is trying to immigrate to Egypt!!

It's a Muslim nation it has Shari'a already on the books.

Even for asylum seekers - do they say they want asylum in Egypt, or Libya or Tunisia - no its - either Europe or America.

Then there is the reality of freedom, versus - the reality of life in the Shari'a based law parts of the world - which must be like a kid in a candy shop - who can't reach out for a sweet, as it might offend god's law.

To solve the problem - Muslims want to get rid of all the candy - they want to remove all the freedoms - that they can't have.

And rather than sitting down and explaining to them like a child - that other people might enjoy these things - they are being told that they can remove anything they want from the shop - any freedoms they want to get rid off [or find offensive] - just point.

Of course when the other people complain - they get called - in a not so nice voice - racist, hateful, Islamophobe!!!

Naturally some people will, undoubtedly come to the conclusion - that if they are not happy then - perhaps they should go home.

And the onus should be put on others - to show 'I want to get along' that 'I appreciate being here'

Besides those already in Sweden - the immigration policy - must be looked at in a realistic way - based on the behaviour and further the demands being made by other immigrants in those same groups.

Asylum is an areas where people really do need help - but the practise of marrying for immigration purposes [generational family reunification] should extremely restricted or stopped. If you are having problems, why add to them? Keep the immigrants Sweden has - and turn the integration situation around - as best you can.

Truthfully there are not too many places in the Islamic world where we can look to as positive examples - and that is worrying in terms of the future.

SD and people who agree with the idea are out of their mind.

1st. Immigrant are everywhere in the world, if yours country don't want immigrant, then don't accepted them. Change immigrantion policies.

2nd. If you want some or all of those whom didn't participate in the society, then other country would do the same things.

All about are discriminated and racist.

You can offer to give the islamic immigrants 1 million kronor and they will not leave, they say they can not get a job BUT live comfortably at the governments (that's YOU the taxpayers) expense. Legal immigration is fine as long as the immigrant is willing to integrate into the host countries culture and follow it's laws. Islamic immigrants both legal and illegal have only one aim, to conquer the host country for islam.

Remember that it was Muhammad himself, who led or ordered twenty-seven warring attacks against the "infidels." He, as their supreme lawgiver, gave the order to decapitate 900 Jewish men for opposing him and not receiving him as a prophet. The perennial threat to the West is Islamic terrorism along with its advancement and in "The Grand Jihah" it offers a vexing report regarding the Islamic aims for global conquest while much of the Left encourages such.

The leftists use language demonizing those who hold opinions opposite theirs. It is because verbal attacks are all they have in their quiver. Facts and factually notated and supported positions are kryptonite to liberals and the left.

Islamists intent to establish a global caliphate and the liberal lefts misguided ideas to embrace the Islamists to reform them. As a result the liberal left have enabled and empowered the Islamists to populate sleeper cells around the world in nearly every nation as the Islamists then proceed to undermine and sabotage society after society as they forcibly institute Sharia law around the globe. Worse still is the guarantee that if they do not successfully institute Sharia law every where,they promise to bring civil war to every nation they live in.

France and the Netherlands to include the Dutch have already seen untold riots and violence for petty reasons and continuous murders of people throughout the world by the hands of Islamic fighters. This a record of the betrayal the left has committed against the human race and the untold lives that are still to be lost because of the ignorant dreams to destroy civilization for the sole purpose to institute 7th Century principles co-opted by socialistic fantasies of countless failed nations.