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A US citizen who claims he was imprisoned and tortured at the behest the American FBI is seeking political asylum in Sweden.
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If he doesn't want to return to the US, he could always try Guantanamo.
Supposedly the moderate muslims are helping the FBI, right? If he didn't help from the start after Pioneer Square bombing attempt, obviously he is either stupid or hiding something. Another fine addition to Sweden.
I would not only send him back in shackles and mask Hannibal Lecter style, but also send "distant relatives" with him. All 600 of them.
According to the story: ""He told me to lie down on the floor and he started beating the soles of my feet," he said in a video clip published on the YouTube channel of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group for American Muslims which has supported Fikre throughout his ordeal"
But CAIR is a propagandist organization that is largely funded from Saudi Arabia and other similar locales. As soon as a Muslim is arrested in the USA for some sort of malfeasance, CAIR yells "racism" [sic] and blames the Zionists.
In their world, there are no Arab/Muslim terrorists but those darn Zionists sure do seem to pop up everywhere.
"Guys did you even consider just for second if he is telling the truth? That is the problem of today's world. The Islamic extremist are a reality as much as Zionist, left wings and other fanatics"
AAAAND here we go! An islamist is comparing his brothers who would like to impose islam on the world by the means of beheading and suicide bombing to Jews, who would like to have their own little land 500km long and 60 km wide.
All of this under disguise of "but a worried citizen, who is out-mostly concerned about the rights of a peaceful citizen, who happened to visit lovely Sudan (who doesn't these days?) and coincidentally happened to be in the vicinity of a known mosque that prepares terrorists in industrial amounts (pure innocent coincidence of course".
Oh, I am so impressed by the "guys" call! It makes the medieval caveman to look like a modern, cap wearing surfer with tribal tattoos and a nipple piercing. "Hey, you, guys... Hold on! Maybe it is a good guy..."
My suggestion, dear Taliban friend... Drop the antizionist talk. It makes you look fashionable back in Islamabad, but here it exposes you directly.
Actually. Most participants in the comments section either live in Sweden or have ties there. Talk about a misleading statement.
It may come as a surprise to you how your logical argument was responded by a couple of hateful and personal comments from Uncle et al. This the reality of Thelocal.se forum section as @Christian of Adam also said since some weeks ago.
It may come as a surprise to you that outside the TL forum there are more and more Western people that vote against the constant and ever growing stream of " smarter immigrants " to their beloved countries and choke them to death with the even more and more growing PC being forced down their throats by people like you and a few other posters on TL.
Face it, enough is enough, we need people to help build a livable society rather than tear it down.
Spot on!!
The SUN UK reports on 19-4.
" OSAMA Bin Laden's youngest widow astonishingly wants to come and live in BRITAIN "
" She'd like to bring her five kids fathered by the evil terror master with her.
And with breathtaking gall, she says: "I would love to meet the Royal Family."
Besotted Amal Abdulfattah al-Sadah, 29 — who wed Bin Laden when she was 17 because she wanted a "holy warrior" husband — supported his war on the West and went on the run with him after 9/11.
She was wounded in the leg trying to shield him when US commandos shot him dead in Pakistan aged 54 last year.
She was even tipped to take over as boss of al-Qaeda."
She can always try Sweden if the UK doesn't want her, I am sure she will love all the pork eating crusaders here.
@aliraza.jibs1
"It may come as a surprise to you how your logical argument was responded by a couple of hateful and personal comments from Uncle et al."
iraniboy, it may come as a surprise to you that I did not hear one argument from you that was not moaning about hatred without any basis in a long time now. You got uninteresting. Oh, sorry was it filled with hatred?
No you are right. All that aliraza should have added is that not only should we work on stopping the spread of extremists like islamists whose only dream is to burn and skin infidels, but also vegetarians and people who have claustrophobia.
Filled with logic this argument ain't it?
"Sweden needs to start taking better care of its own people first. It's a country that care more about image than doing the right thing."
That second sentence hit the bull's-eye!! Ever read Robert Jordan's EPIC The Wheel of Time? If so, you're familiar with the "game of the houses" of his, a game that I think pretty much describes the Swedish society too, where anything or everything is about performing the art of pretending - at its finest.
"AAAAND here we go! An islamist is comparing his brothers who would like to impose Islam on the world by the means of beheading and suicide bombing to Jews, who would like to have their own little land 500km long and 60 km wide."
AAAAND here we go! A Zionist who is hiding behind the Skin of a Jew or Christian and in fact who is the black spot on these beautiful Abrahamic religion trying to bring the issue of having land and religion. I consider every human to be my brother no matter if Jew, Hindu, Christian or Muslim or whatever regardless of their religious believes as it is personal matter, until they have one common believe that is all humans are equal. The fact is Nazi or Zionist are different side of same coins as they consider them self to be superior to others.
All Muslims are not extremist same as all Jews are not Zionist and all Christian are not crusaders or Night Templers
Considering he is a naturalized US citizen, one would think he would tell authorities anything they wanted to know, as there is nothing to hide according to some posters here as " not all Muslims are terrorists" - this being the case, and he did not inform authorities in the US, then my assumption is that his sect is up to terrorism activities, and thus should not be allowed in to Sweden.
Oh really? Mmm. You have missed a bunch of comparisons between nazism and islam that I am going to summarize by legal treatment of minorities, territorial expansion, superiority of it's philosophy to others, attacks on civilians, racism towards coloured in sharia countries, denial of Holocaust on governmental levels, print out of nazi literature in muslim countries and many others.
But the fact is that you read about Zionism from islamic press, without actually realizing that it is the simple will of the nation of Jews to live in their own country.
Now if you go to any dictionary and find how Zionism is similar to nazism, I perhaps could argue with you, but you are not going to bring viable arguments because there aren't any. For example, by definition, having Islamic Republic of Iran, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and Islamic Republic of Mauritania is islamic "zionism" and therefore there are no possible argument that you can give without automatically throwing 200 thousand muslims into extremist definition.
Hiding Jew hatred behind Zionism dislike is the new fashion of the nazis and muslims. If not zionism, you would call Kosher eating as a "superiority sign" or Passover celebration as means of attack (as propagated by both Goebbels and islamic preachers).
So that is why it is appropriate to compare your calling of Zionism to hatred of vegetarians. Not based on anything, but the blind nazi propaganda.
Aside from this story, why assume that all immigrants/refugees come here to only become leechers?
My family immigrated (not refugee status, but immigration) to Canada , and we used to live in Iraq before (hell), but we never took any help from the government at all.
My father worked as a mechanic *even though he is an electrical engineer,* , and my mother worked any job to help my father (She is also an engineer with 2 bachelors in chemical/petroleum)
Later on once they spent 2 years working any job, they finally managed to land jobs matching their career goals.
They never asked help from the Canadian government (even though they do have such programs I am sure), but rather they depended on themselves.
Do not generalize all immigrants/refugees as one. As their children, we are also now grown up and working as engineers (not leeching money from the government).
Don't lump all Arab/Muslims or immigrants/refugees together. No two humans are the same.
And yes I do live in Sweden, and yes I do work as an engineer, never requested or got help for anything. I moved here for my husband.
"all Christian are not crusaders or Night Templers"
Very true, but i still have hope.
I reread what I wrote and obviously I meant 20M muslims who live in these countries. But on a second thought, EVERY muslim who thinks that the muslim world right now should stay officially muslim, is an extremist according to your definition of zionism . Which makes is what - everybody? Mmm.
Terrorist groups in Sudan
Sudan provide military training and support to Hizballah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Algeria's Armed Islamic Group, and regional Islamic and non-Islamic opposition and groups in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Uganda and Tunisia. In addition, hundreds of Iranian Revolutionary Guards are sent to terrorist training camps in Sudan to train in the subversion of moderate Arab regimes.
One of the most secretive terrorist groups in Sudan is the SPLA, which uses terrorist methods in their fight for autonomy. In 2001, the SPLA escalated its campaign and attacked civilian oil targets, murdering a significant number of civilians and aid workers, as well selling rockets to civilians.
Yonas Fikre ended up in United Arab Emirates because he was arrested there as a suspected terrorist, caught engaging with other terrorists! His other problem is Islam is a very racist "religion" where those of black skin are damned to hell (example of many, Sura 3:106,107)! He is lucky he wasn't castrated and made a slave (still common today. political correctness won't report this). What saved him was his Christian citizenship
Please don't speak of something you know very little off. The islamic religion is not racist. By all means, when islam arrived, it freed slavery of black men. It was before that the first black man became an imam (Leader of prayer).
Now in regards to your Sura. Black and White faces referred in the sura are by no means referring to the skin color but by how good/bad person is. Dark/Light (signified as evil/good) in this case not against the physical skin color of the person). Otherwise the sura might as well said black people, rather than face.
As well, metaphors are used everywhere but some choose to ignore them to validate their point, but that is not validation.
It is better to stick to the point of the story, rather than attacking other religions. I know little about Christianity, and I will never say anything bad about it. It is a religion, like other religions.
Why not be accepting of others, like others are accepting of you.
Regards
"Islam is a very racist "religion" where those of black skin are damned to hell (example of many, Sura 3:106,107)!"
These comments already show your bigotry and intolerance. At its peak islam grew because it introduced equality to very classed societies. It is a shame people like you get to have a say in societies.
People like you and religion fanatics are very same because both are bigots and they don't have the courage to challenge or change their preconceived notions!
Please do a quick search on the Arab slave trade, there are many sources estimating up to 28 million slaves of various origin shipped to Arabic countries during the trade.
You are correct that it was not based on skin color however.
Link, top of the page,
"Slavery in islam"
By Silas
"33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."
BUKHARI'S HADITH AND SLAVERY
There are hundreds of Hadith that deal with slavery. Whole chapters of Hadith are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves. In addition to this, numerous Hadith mention slaves, and their relation to their Muslim masters. Here is a selection of Hadith on slaves: [all Hadith are from Sahih Bukhari, unless noted.]
Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""
Link,
"Black Slavery TODAY by Arab Muslims in Islamic African countrys"
There are such hadiths in the quran, but they are taken out of context. Please do read the full Aya that contains such Sura(t) and you will see. Islam has done its best to create equality between others.
Slavery does still exist in many countries. However, do not assume that this is due to the religion it self because it is not.
Quran used to talk about alcohol as well but that does not mean it is lawful for us to drink, same as it is not lawful for us to take a slave, and definitely not lawful to force ourselves upon them.
Please do understand, that you can not take a sentence of two or even ten out of the whole book just to support the theory. That is like reading 1 page of the story, you do not know the start/meaning/nor the end.
Slavery exists in every culture/country, but it has nothing to do with the religion. IF Islam states that it is "permissible to take on a slave girl/boy", then every Muslim person will have slaves at home rather than get married and simply do whatever they want with them, but it is not the case.
Rather than "disliking" the religion and people, be more open minded. Not everyone in this world is the same. I am a muslim, but here I am educated, open minded, and I hope I am kind to others as I wish they be kind to me.
I feel saddened that so many on this forum are educated people who have traveled the world and seen many cultures can be close minded like this.
It is true that in Sweden, I see a lot of people getting help from the government, but the case does not only apply to immigrants. It applies to Swedish people as well (non-ethnic). Some are also at home and taking benefits.
We will continue to pay taxes even if immigrants/refugees are not here. Using taxes as an excuse is not viable. Countries use taxes to rebuild/better the environment we live in, improve our medical system, and so on, not to only "help the needy".
Regards,
" Islam has done its best to create equality between others. "
Show me one islamic state that has complete equality between others.
Just ONE.
1. speak the language well enough other people can understand you and you need to be able to understand a native when they speak to you, no matter what dialect they have!
2. You need to have proof that you have attempted to better yourself and your situation. Either hold a permanent job, or show you are working towards some kind of degree. Your grades must be kept at certain percentage.
3. Learn that countries cultural differences and respect them. Your in their land.
4. DO NOT break the law, anything over a minor infraction or dirving infraction your ass is deported backhome because no one wants riff raff in their house.'
5. Keep your religious beliefs to yourself and keep them personal unless asked!
It is the same as when you visit a persons home...would you go in and complain because they have a crucifix on their wall? Or be upset because you see the Koran sitting on a reading desk. No you would respect that person and their beliefs and they would respect yours in return. Quit crying racism and grow the f%¤#" up and be responsible for your own actions, ship out anything that might be riff raff and leave the good. If your skin is a different color or your prophet is actually a god..who gives a s%&t. It is not about racism it's about respect. It goes both way but it needs to earned!
Islamic state? If you mean where majority is muslim but it is governed by dictators, mostly supported by the west, which is the case mostly but I won't blame west for their ills like you are blaming everything on islam. That would be equally ignorant!
Turkey and Malaysia are islamic countries which are doing quite well in terms of democracy and progress.
Ask yourself the following question, which was the first ever welfare state?
http://muslimislam.blog.co.uk/2009/12/13/the-first-welfare-state-in-mankind-s-history-7564555/
As an open minded person, could you please provide some info about the situation of Tuareg in islamic states? How about the equal Berbers? Are the Kurds happy? How about Druze? Do they feel as equal? What do you think about the status of Pakistanis in Saudi Arabia (as an extremely educated person of course). What about Darfur tribes? What do Azers think about armenians? What do irani think about arabs? How are the chances of a good job for an average indian in Pakistan? Say, what about Russians in Chechnya? Serbs in Bosnia? One and a half Jews left in Yemen and Afghanistan by mistake? Palestinians in Lebanon are an example of equality aren't they?
No, seriously sounds like tolerance is nr 1 in the islamic states. And I talked only about nation differences.
What about religious xenophobia? Kotps. Christians in Lebanon and Jordan. Situation of dhimmies who have laws against them in Saudi Arabia and Qatar?
What about sexual minorities acceptance? Is all well there? No, you are right. Islam offers top class tolerance. Nothing to compare with the racist and xenophobic swedes.
Oh, sorry, I realized that mentioning facts of life is called "hatred and racism" in islamic world.
Again you are mixing Islam with Muslim countries. They are not the same. Is Christianity best represented by christian countries? No.
That is my point. The religion and Hadiths are a set of rules that Muslims are supposed to follow but not all muslims follow 100% of the rules.
There is not a single country, whether it follows Islam as a religion or not is fair. Humanity is not fair. It is different. We have different skin colors, different educational systems, different monetary representations., different personalities and so on.
To reiterate my point, Islam is fair and kind, a country following islam does not mean it is a fair nor a kind country. It consists of people with different behaviors.
A muslim person is not the same as any other muslim person. Take the religion out of the equation, and you can say you will never find another replica.
Don't concentrate on Islamic countries, as they are countries like US or Canada. Each country has its success and its failures. After all, it is a collection of non-perfect human beings.
Regards,
Specifically, what have i posted that is not factual?
I mean islamic states that are governed by an islamic theocracy, under islamic law.
Name me one christian country that is governed by a christian theocracy, under christian law.
"Again you are mixing Islam with Muslim countries. They are not the same. Is Christianity best represented by christian countries? No."
An Islamic state
"(Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية, al-dawla al-islamiyya) is a type of government, in which the primary basis for government is Islamic religious law. From the early years of Islam, numerous governments have been founded as "Islamic", beginning most notably with the Caliphate established by Mohammad himself and including subsequent governments ruled under the direction of a caliph (meaning, "successor" to the prophet Mohammad)."
Give me similar christian examples.
Again, give me one example of an islamic state governed by islamic law, that offers complete equality to others.
Sweden, unfortunately, let almost anybody in, so if they do so, they should send him to Malmö where he would be with his comrades.
What I don't understand is why he doesn't want to go back to his own country, where he would be welcome and feel right at home and where
he would have no further problems.
I really hope that Sweden sends him back to where he was born.
"Turkey and Malaysia are islamic countries which are doing quite well in terms of democracy and progress."
What color is the sky in your world??
As soon Turkey gets into the EU, millions of turks will flood Europe to escape their home sh#ithole because is it such a wonderful place to live, right?
The Malays are funding terrorism in Thailand to create a Muslim state in the 3 southern provinces of a peaceful Buddhist country.
Things are going just fine...
God, finally a reasonable muslim with relatively good arguments! I started to doubt that such a thing exists. You, I must say are the sole person who saves the entire pro-islamic gang here from total humiliation.
If muslim countries are a random collection of people as the christian ones, how come specifically THESE random people did not have anything reminding renaissance? Industrial revolution? Legal advances? Democracy? Even most of the few nobel prizes that muslims hold are for literature that describes the oppressive islamic regimes?
I can agree that at most, islamic regimes are comparable to some african christian countries. That is it. One has to have a total lack of water and resources or be in constant wars because of tribal hatred in order to be equal to the islamic states.
No progress, no ethical values that are promoted from the masses, no Gandhi, no Mother Therese, nothing. Just blood, poverty (unless swimming in oil) and misery. Even the rich ones are promoting social cruelty instead of trying to establish some sort of advanced society while the oil is still there.
Some of your islamist countrymen may even call you a blasphemer, because apparently you say that islamic clerics who rule your country do not even understand Koran. They do not implement the good that Koran is offering and catch on the violent stuff instead. So whether the entire leadership of islam is purely evil or moronic (which says a thing or two about the brainwashed people who install such rulers), or God was not clear enough in his instructions and therefore different interpretations are taking place. In both cases you would be hanging on the first pole in a sharia country. Which one is that then?
Is there ever any Friday in the mu-slime world in which there isn't some bombing or murder of mu-slimes by mu-slimes? Now, how often do such acts of terror take place among various Christian and Jewish sects. Heck, for that matter, how often do such acts take place among Hindu sects, even though Hinduism is a somewhat violent religion when compared to Christianity or Judaism?
When mu-slimes terrorize, bomb, etc, Westerners, they strike at civilian targets. Hence, this is an de facto declaration against the West of unrestricted warfare. It's time for the West to respond in kind a send a few friendly missiles to Mecca, Jeddah, and Medina. Turn-about is fair play. WWII was unrestricted warfare, because it was fought for the survival of freedom. It seems that the same applies to the clash of Western civilization with the uncivilized mulsime world.
People like the guy in this article are too extreme to ever like it here in sweden-and we will not like him. Sweden should take in people THAT ARE ESCAPING FROM ISLAM it shouldn't become a safehaven for these extremists. Iranians in sweden are a good example of immigration. They have blended in really well in swedish society and I think it is because they were tired of islamic dictatorship in their own country and wanted to live a more secular life. These people should be welcomed to sweden.However extremists shouldn't be encouraged to come here. A good way of doing this would be to have a NIQAB ban. The niqab is mostly worn by the wives of SALAFI muslims. They follow the same branch of islam as SAUDI ARABIA........
I think Norwegian Prime Minister has responded very well to people like you.
"I am not responsible for the terrorist act committed on 22 July even if he is male, white from Oslo.I am that too but that doesn't make a terrorist!"
http://svtplay.se/t/103478/dokumentarfilm @56:00
Very simple sentence from a great man elected by a great people yet even one or two persons who cannot understand this sentence are enough to change our life sadly!
For uncle I have no comment. He has made numerous comments promoting violence against Muslims so in recent weeks which can be classified illegal under Swedish laws so I refrain discussing directly with this individual.
@Sven the banana
You are right about Iranians. In fact it was after I came to Sweden when I realized how I should respect other beliefs and distinguish people from their beliefs. That's why it my duty to stand against these Anti-XYZ. But this forum has recently got a lot of them more like a cyber attack or so. It seems it is their jobs to do so and I cannot really help them when they are paid to for it!
To know about turkey progress have a look at this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-30/turkish-economic-growth-accelerated-to-11-in-first-quarter-1-.html
The reason I named those country was to answer this question: "Show me one islamic state that has complete equality between others."
Their progress should not be attributed to islam and similarly their flaws are not because of islam either. These are just two islamic countries "progressing" (not perfect but progressing), going in the right direction even though they are islamic countries. They are flawed like any other country because they are governed by people.
bcterry,
"I mean islamic states that are governed by an islamic theocracy, under islamic law."
Please can you name those islamic countries which are governed by islamic theocracy?..... I will already rule out Saudi as even though they claim are an islamic country, their version of islam is not accepted in most countries and it is a monarchy governing the country. In an islamic country people always choose their leadership.
Most countries claiming to be islamic and islamic majority countries. If not all then most use islam as way to appeal to majority muslims but use those parts of islam which suit them and are corrupt, dictatorial and exploiting regimes.
"Concept of "Islamic State"
"An Islamic state is essentially an ideological state, and is thus radically different from a national state." This statement made by Mawdudi lays the basic foundation for the political, economical, social, and religious system of all Islamic countries which impose the Islamic law. This ideological system intentionally discriminates between people according to their religious affiliations. Mawdudi, a prominent Pakistani Muslim scholar, summarizes the basic differences between Islamic and secular states as follows:
1)
An Islamic state is ideological. People who reside in it are divided into Muslims, who believe in its ideology and non-Muslims who do not believe.
2)
Responsibility for policy and administration of such a state "should rest primarily with those who believe in the Islamic ideology." Non-Muslims, therefore, cannot be asked to undertake or be entrusted with the responsibility of policymaking.
3)
An Islamic state is bound to distinguish (i.e. discriminates) between Muslims and non-Muslims. However the Islamic law "Shari`a" guarantees to non-Muslims "certain specifically stated rights beyond which they are not permitted to meddle in the affairs of the state because they do not subscribe to its ideology." Once they embrace the Islamic faith, they "become equal participants in all matters concerning the state and the government."
" He has made numerous comments promoting violence against Muslims so in recent weeks which can be classified illegal under Swedish laws so I refrain discussing directly with this individual."
Mmm. A quote of course would be in place. Just to support the constant babbling of nonsense. Once in a lifetime.
I have one theory that since you had nothing to say when I clearly indicated that nazism and islam has such undeniable parallels that both could be equally disliked and therefore your examples of "nazis who are bad" became completely invalid as an argument, you are hiding in the bushes just to strike another nonsense just once in a while.
Methodology of islamists: avoiding an argument "because of promotion of violence" instead of admitting logical defeat.
But so you know, you lack of conversation with me would not prevent me to express an opinion in regards to your senseless babbling, since I am not replying TO YOU, but use this forum as a stage for my opinions. Please continue not feeling obliged to reply.
It's much easier to simply lie, and then head for the exit.
First, I'm not adocating individual violence against muslimes; I'm advocating gov't action against a cult religion of violence (islame) that has engaged in acts of unrestricted warfare against Westerners, Christians, Hindus, Jews, gays, women, and pretty much anyone not a male mulsime of an approved sect. muslimes have murdered civilians and Christians of all races, ethnicities, and nationalities throughout the world.
I want protection provided to me by my gov't against these murderous terrorists actions and believe that a 'tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye' is the only message that, to use a politically correct euphemism, will resonate with such murdering terrorists.
As an American, I've every right to ask of this from my gov't for the protection of my country, my family, and me. I once thought (before 1993) that it might be possible to reason with such cultists, but have come to see that this is an unrealistic expectation.
Second, when the so-called moderate/modern muslims begin to turn on the muslime extremists and terrorists and even inform upon them to Western authorities and when muslime nations allow freedom of worship and the building of churches in all islame nations, including Saudi Arabia, then I might reconsider my pleas to my gov't to take action againt cultists who are murdering my co-religionists and my countryman.
What I'm advocating is no different that what was advocated by millions of Americans after Dec. 7, 1941 and 9/11. I lost three friends on 9/11 and I know that they would not have wanted America to turn the other cheek.
God bless you.
"It's much easier to simply lie, and then head for the exit."
Spot on. I still wonder how come he did not go as low as to blame me in promotion of pedophilia and encouraging rape of challenged people. Nothing works better for them than a good ol' lie just to avoid actually PROVING or DISPROVING stuff.
I am prejudice, as most people are. I am afraid of the Muslim take-over of a traditionally Swedish environment.
But I also realize that this is my dysfunction, because most Muslims are OK and no fanatics. The scary thing are the fanatics, plus all uneducated people who are told by the fanatics to believe literally in a book.
But Governments also make me scared. Authorities need this fear. They try to keep the fear and hatred alive, because it will justify their stretching of civil rights, in order to control us.
I am more afraid of "civilized" governments and authorities, than of Muslims.
USA is based on two of the best documents ever written in mankind.
It is a pity that authorities don't read them, or circumvent them.
I think we should look at what is RIGHT, and what is WRONG.
No man should be treated against civil and human rights, especially not because of what other people have done.
What you write about using terrorism to erode civil liberties might have some truth. I'm no fan of the Patriot Act. This is why the US and other Western nations should dispense with the 'There-are-good-muslims.'
In the 1930's and 1940's, there were good Japanese and Germans and Italians and Turks, and Romanians and Hungarians, and Bulgarians etc. But this didn't stop the Allies from engaging in unrestricted warfare against these countries and their civilian populations.
Unrestricted warfare is quick and efficient. This will put an end to the need for such intrusive laws or at least allow a pull back from the many draconian aspects of the Patriot Act and similar laws throughout the world.
An unequivocal declaration of war against muslime terrorists and terrorism and a campaign of unrestricted warfare against them and it will put an end to the muslime terrorist/terrorism crap. Also, bring back capital punishment for acts of terrorism, including for acts such as Brevik's murders in Norway.
What you write is in the spirit of Ben Franklin, to paraphrase: 'Those who value security over freedom are deserving of neither and will end up with neither.'
Like I said before I don't want to engage in a discussion with those who have passed the legal limits of this country. Just as a hint he had commented something like "....are like pests and we all know what we should do with pests..." and I'm not his lawyer so I don't really care!
@Jeff10
Those who killed innocent Americans in 9/11 were and are friends of US politicians and are located in Saudi Arabia. The rest of 1 billion Muslims were not even aware of that attack and nobody asked for their permission!. Your government has a very close relationship with those who caused that attack in 9/11. Even worse your government attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and took lives of many more thousands of innocent American soldiers! And finally your government is donating billions of dollars every year to other countries from your tax money while many of your countrymen are dying due to bad health! That's the story of almost any conservative government in the world from Iran to the US!
But those "unaware" muslimes sure celebrated by millions throughout the world after the 9/11 attackes. What say you about this?
Iraq and Afghanistan supported and nutured the culture of terrorism that lead to 9/11 and, in the case of Afghanistan, the planner of the 9/11 attacks. So, every US action is justified with regard to these countries and more, for that matter.
Did you miss my point? I don't like my gov't's policy towards SA. I want the country on a list of terrorist countries. Its laws and culture support, nuture, and develop terrorists.
I also saw those scenes you saw. It was very limited and in few places like tens of naiv Palestinians who assumed someone took revenge of those 'Made in the US' bombs they had suffered for decades. I can't even say they were hundreds. I 'm talking about a billion.
The culture of terrorism is actually globally widespread and entirely accepted. When someone kills your brother you want to kill his brother and once you do he comes back to kill someone else. This circle of hate never ends and after a while nobody knows who started it. As a matter of fact there were not even one single man from Afghanistan and Iraq who were involved in 9/11. OBL was born, raised and lived in Saudi Arabia. He belonged to a rich Saudi family very also operating inside the US. The only reason he went to Afghanistan was due to the fact that Afghanistan was a easy defend-less place to hide. He couldn't even speak the language of Afghans. Instead of an intelligence operation to kill this man, US government decided to attack the entire country and kill thousands from people on both sides and of course no reaction to beloved Saudi family. Well to be honest Talibanism was created by Saudi Arabia in Afghanistan with the order of US government in 1980s to make sure communism can NOT be exported from Russia to low educated people of Afghanistan. It was prevented by Taliban ideologies. What goes around comes around and this circle of hate will never stop so easily I'm afraid. God bless you too!
Thanks for confirming that the "culture of terrorism..is globally widespread and... entirely accepted." This is my whole point. It's from this that I want my gov't to do all in its power to protect my country, my family, and me.
When I see Muslims demonstrating against muslime terrorists and turning on the terrorists, then I might change my mind. When I see tolerance for other religions in muslimes lands, then I might change my mind. When I see the Egyptian gov't turning upon the murders of the Copts the full force of state police power, then I might change my mind.
Do you read English? I wrote that I disagree with my gov't's policy towards SA.
Afghan and Iraq were attacked in retaliation. Why should the US limit its actions to just the main characters? The talibutts nutured and supported albert queda, so they got what they earned from the US. As for made in the US bombs, well, you've a point there, but then why do most muslimes want to kill all Jews? Have you considered that if the Palestinians were to agree to peaceful co-existence with Israel, then, perhaps no bombs would be dropped upon them?
Whether or not it was right or fair to bring into existence Israel isn't an issue, because then every country in the world could go back 50, 500, or 1,000 years to make such arguments. At a certain point, one has to accept was has been done and what is now in existence.
Yes, there are other terrorists, but I just can't recall the last time a South American terrorist org tried to attack the US. Can you tell me?
And, contrary to your assertion, there were celebrations throughout the muslime world after 9/11. Google it.
BTW, and, quite important, muslime terrorists kill far, far more other muslimes and destroy more mosques than probably have been killed or destroyed by Kafirs in the history is islame.
Good day.
Bringing the issue of US government's relation with Saudi Arabia is important to understand that they were not really interested in punishing those behind the 9/11 rather than pursuing their own different agenda.
Terrorism for you may look like attack on your friends and family in NY but for an Afghan looks like a US soldiers killing his entire family.
As for demonstrations, there are two issues here. Most Muslims have been living under theocracies that were not even allowing them any sort of demonstration and many of such governments were fully supported by the US itself. On the other hand, when was the last time you went to the streets to protest again a US solder killing children or a family?! But do you agree with it?
Like I said before Taliban was created and funded by Saudi Arabia on the order of the US. Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with it.
You should think a bit more on your last paragraph. If Muslim terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims then it should tell you one side doesn't consider the other side Muslim or not even human so you cannot do it either!
Islamic state classifies muslim and non muslims but it does not diminish their rights. That is for the reason because islamic tax(zakat) is not applicable to them and they can't become part of government. That is due to a practical reason that non muslims don't subscribe to islam and cannot make/create islamic policies. After all we are talking about an islamic state. However, these are only interpretations done many years ago. Even according to those societies non muslims are free to practice their religion, enjoy same civil rights as muslims.
And you must not really know Israel, if you think that Israel would just stop bombing and shooting Palestinians, if Palestinians would live peacefully with them. Israel wants bigger country for Jews and it does not want to share the land with Palestinians. If Israel would want to live in peace, it would not continuously expand the illegal settlements in occupied territories and force Palestinians with bulldozers and guns to even smaller bantustans with no hope for supporting themselves. And I think EU should finally put Israel in embargo, until it stops the slow ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by expanding those illegal settlements, just like South-Africa, when it was driving black people in bantustans during apartheid.
Having said that, I don't think it is good idea for western countries to take huge number Muslim immigrants as it will create all kinds of problems. For example, as a gay, I don't like to welcome people who think that gays should be stoned to death. Maybe some day Muslims are as secular as Christians in Europe, but at the moment Muslim fundamentalism is a problem that I would like to avoid in my neighborhood.
@bcterry
Like I said before I don't want to engage in a discussion with those who have passed the legal limits of this country. Just as a hint he had commented something like "....are like pests and we all know what we should do with pests..."
Your accusation,
"" He has made numerous comments promoting violence against Muslims so in recent weeks which can be classified illegal under Swedish laws so I refrain discussing directly with this individual."
When you make accusations against someone, you need to put up FACTUAL proof, and "he commented something like" just doesn't cut it.
I have caught , and called you on many blatant outright lies on this blog, so don't expect me to take your word on anything.
As far as i'm concerned, your credibility and integrity is none existent.
Good for you! I'm not a prosecutor in his court. I have witnessed his criminally liable comment in the past so I try to avoid any possible association with him. Now how to find his comment here is not my job. It is probably the job of police or the prosecutor.
A general lesson just for you!
I just noticed you use the word Allah in many cases when you are bashing Muslims and Islam. Allah is the Arabic translation of word 'God' in English or 'Gud' in Swedish or 'Khoda' in Persian and it doesn't mean anything more than 'The One'. Arab speaking Christians and Jews would call it Allah as well. Lesson of the day maybe?!
Let us know when your case against him goes to court.
BTW, isn't there some kind of law against slander, by posting derogatory lies and filing false charges against someone?
Just curious.
for a long time. It's been disproven. You wimpy Swedes better toughen
up as you will be more overrun with these Middle East people than you are now. By the way how's this immigration thing working for you in your formally
great country. Bet you have an increase in rape, robbery, riots ect. As one
Iraqi who was in Sweden told me Swedes are easy to rob.
And strong independent women.
23:33 April 20, 2012 by Iraniboy
@bcterry
"Like I said before I don't want to engage in a discussion with those who have passed the legal limits of this country. Just as a hint he had commented something like "....are like pests and we all know what we should do with pests..." "
Haha bcterry.
I totally missed that he wrote this pile of garbage! It is brilliant! He is caught in a lie again and again and does not even blush!
It is people like him Photoshop smoke above Beirut, remove knifes from the hands of "peaceful protesters", show "poor" victims who are wounded in one leg and 1 minute later you see them jump on that leg... The mischievous methodology of a loser who cannot prove anything of what he says.
Whenever he is put to the corner, he disappears for a while and then pops up again, like nothing happened. He simply got tired of me putting him in the corner of the ring and exposing his babbling in public. So you should understand why he does not want to "associate with me".
How sad someone who is likely a Lutheran has such a negative view of Israel, which view borders, but isn't quite, anti-Jewish.
@ iranboy:
Since you justify terrorism on the basis of the US supplying Israel, you're not only condoning, but are encouraging and supporting terrorism. Terrorism is nothing but unrestricted warfare against non-military people. This is why the US needs to take a much more aggressive role in combating terrorism. What would you think if the US were to bomb mosques for every church that was bombed by muslimes anywhere in the world? Of course, muslimes themselves do a pretty good job of destroying mosques.
As for killing Afghan civilians, such collateral damage is a part of war. Ask the Germans, Japanese, Italians, Turks, Austrians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. who suffered such a fate in WWII. When the civilian Afghans start to inform and fight the terrorists in their midst, then they'll find that they are far less likely to end up as collateral damage. But for now, the muslime terrorists have chosen to engage the West in unrestricted warfare. So, of course, they should expect some of the same in return.
"islamic states classifies muslim and non muslims but it does not diminish their rights."
"Even according to those societies non muslims are free to practice their religion, enjoy same civil rights as muslims."
Good to know heph, i will tell that to the families of every infidel killed in islamic states and in the West till the very day your koran devils stop beheading those infidels.
How much are you getting paid for your bs propaganda?
muslimes have taken the battle to the street in the west and your are still coming up with crap like this?
I had rocks thrown at me in Aarhus for attending a peaceful meeting as an infidel, i didnt feel very safe when confronted with violence by your soldiers of allah for having a different outlook on life then them, and you have a problem with the rising resistance against this islamic garbage you and many are spreading?
Please dont reply to this post, i am done with all the imams on the TL preaching we have it all wrong ab islam. Instead i will attend every European Defense league possible and use my free right to practice my religion, and enjoy the same civil rights as muslims (in a still non islamic state)but without any violence unlike your savage brothers.
Well said, right on the mark.
Good post.
Sudan trains suicide bombers , especially converts . Its canot be true that he was "tortured "because he is a muslim . Every one who knows the Arab Emirates knows that only muslims citizens can be allowed into the police , the army , and Immigrations board. why should a musilm torture another muslim just because he is an Americam muslim ?
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