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Teachers should be able to tolerate violence inflicted on them by students, but at the same time have scope for using force against unruly pupils, according to two recent Swedish court rulings.
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Unfortunately many parents have any control of their children and have a lot of spoiled children that do not know the basic social behaviour as respect and discipline, Teachers should not have to put up with that crap, A strong discipline will go a long way to cope for their parents failures. Force with force is fair bully should be heated as a bully, too bad they do not have stronger methods, some ''kids'' deserve an electrical shock, just looking around you on the streets you will see the spoilers social waste
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The appeal court decision seems to uphold a teacher's right to defend him/her self from a violent attack, and to forcibly remove a violent student from the classroom. I can't see a "slippery slope" there Rädda Barnen.
Against that backdrop, a world where teachers can never exert any force on violent students is a world where bullying and school yard terrorism will flourish.
The teacher who was assaulted should be allowed to sue the kid's parents, until the kid is 18, aftere which he can sue the kid for damages himself.
-students listening to their i-pod instead of listening to the teacher.
-students focus on their expensive cellulars instead of listening to the teacher.
-students seated everywhere except their chairs.
-students that go in and out of the class without asking the teacher first during the whole class, interrupting and shouting.
-students insulting their teachers while the teachers shut up because if he/she says something, the teacher will be the one that will have problems
-students doing anything except what they are expect to do.
But if one side attacks the other the other side has of course right to defend themselves.
The summary is that Sweden has given too much power/rights to kids in school.
And for those of you who say "Hoorah! Allow the teachers to use force when necessary!" I can only say that you are fools and you have obviously never set foot in a gymnasium. I have taught for nearly eight years and can tell you that the vast majority of teachers are not physically capable of restraining those students who are most inclined toward violence. And to expect them to do so is crazy and ignorant. I am a male in my mid-forties but I stand only 5'8" tall. Many of my students here are easily over 6' and made of muscle. I would not stand a chance and neither would any of the female teachers. If this is the way it is going to be, that teachers are expected to be policemen, then parents must expect that the schools will be staffed with thugs rather than thinkers. Good luck with that.
Stuff like that will ensure the parents will adjust the child's behavior.
Also suspension from school , make children viable to go to reeducation centers for repeated and/or severe behavior.
Stuff like that, no need for violence.
this means that this precedent can be used if a student is unruly the teacher can apply security force on them !
I say give the teachers tazers that will soon get the unruly kids settled down to the job of learning (taze the worst ones and the rest will soon fall into happiness!
I don't agree with striking children but there has to be a deterrent available!
Putting the child on the same level with the teacher is one example. I know a case in a Stockholm English school where the chess teacher has been fired by the principal just because a child accused him for threatening. My children told me that child was indisciplined and wanted to get rid of chess lessons. He succeeded by knowing the weakness of the Swedish educational system.
Galexe, I have never heard of a chess teacher. Regardless, I would like to know if, after your children told you the truth about the child who got the chess teacher fired, you went in to the principal and explained to him what your child told you. Or did you simply shake your head in disgust and move on? Many kids, and subsequently parents, know the truth about situations that lead to teachers losing their jobs unfairly, and yet they never say anything to the principal. If the principal is going to listen to anyone, it is the parents.
While teachers are expected to adapt their teaching styles to satisfy the needs of thirty children simultaneously, including the most challenged kids, they must also attend to the security and education of those kids. Statistically, I believe there are around two ADD/ADHD diagnosed children in each class in Sweden. In reality, that means that those two children, and the other two who are undiagnosed or have other issues are actually the lowest common denominators... but the are not the same denominators! Each has to be handled differently... but we are expected to treat all children the same. No one can feel better, worse, left out...
At the same time parents are terrified that their children will something to a teacher or another parent at school that will bring the wrath of the social system down upon them. You can't raise a hand or voice against your children, therefore kids know that most threats of punishment are hollow threats as they can do what the want and a parent can do little more than take away the Xbox or bicycle.
For those who want the children and parents to be liable for violence against teachers... don't forget that children in Sweden are virtually exempt from the law until over 15 years old.
Yes, and all the product of a government education system. Is it no wonder why caring parents want to homeschool their children to ensure they actually grow up to be responsible people with a good education? Why does the government think parents are too stupid to educate their own children? Did they not graduate and go on to higher education? Is an unruly school environment full of bullies, both student and teachers, just another form of child abuse?
Would you allow your neighbor to come into your house and tell you how to raise your children? Then why would you allow your government? Are they not just neighbors too?
The summary is that Sweden has given too much power/rights to kids in school."
@lokalkille
@just a question
well, you're dead wrong! it's stated in the school law as of 2010 that a teacher can confiscate a mobile phone or any objects for that matter if the teacher finds it disturbing during the lesson. The object can be kept up to four days before returning it if it's a repeated behaviour or due to other special circumstances. the teachers have gained much more power today since the new school law was implemented together with the new school reform including a new national disciplinary management system as of 2011. today students at compehensive school level can be kicked out which wasn't the case earlier.
you can read about the law here -> chapter 5, paragraph 22 & 23:
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Dokument-Lagar/Lagar/Svenskforfattningssamling/Skollag-2010800_sfs-2010-800/#K5