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A group of foreign PhD students have said they will continue their fight for new rules to ease their path to permanent residency in Sweden, despite the defeat this week of a parliamentary motion in favour of the move.
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Motion 2011/12 Sf259 was too broad and ready for immigration abuse. It would have given Swedish permanent residency to any PhD candidate in any field(art, philosophy, gender equality, etc) and their families after 4yrs regardless if they completed their course of study or had even the remotest hope of being employed and becoming a useful part of Sweden's society. There are several other motions that refine the spirit of the proposal(some of which I tend to agree) for example Sf308 & Sf243.
Citizens Non-EU & EU alike with PhDs have vehemently complained of the difficulties of employment. I have been driven by taxi drivers with PhDs.
The Folkpartiet & Kristdemokraterna who are supporters of this poorly worded PhD residency motion are also the ones that are all for open borders. They turn a blind eye when parents in Non-EU countries push kids on planes so the children can be accepted as refugees and Swedish citizens after only four years so that they can bring over the rest of their families.
I have no problem at all with employed working Non-EU individuals here in Sweden. Niether do I have a problem with a well managed humanitarian refugee immigration process. There are social services, housing, education, employment and most tragically police services that need to be considered regarding Sweden's refugee & immigration fiasco.
I see PhD students as a potential benefit if they gain employment upon graduation(unconfirmed, Someone I tend to believe said that 90-95 percent are in fact employed after graduation, the number of PhD recipients from non-EU countries found unemployable may be less than ten individuals affected each year so this is a 'tempest in a tea cup').
Is the goal a career or EU residency? 4yrs of full-time employment is not a terrible burden. Phd students are first and foremost students. Not a single student would have been accepted as a junior researcher by any of the companies in Sweden that sponsors the research that now grants them this tremendous opportunity or even have been given a work visa. The only reason these students are in Sweden is because they are STUDENTS. Stop the pompous non-sense. PhD students are not employees they are students, yes the weasel words are recognized, stop the charade already, it falls on deaf ears. You get your PhD and you are not needed anymore, that is not a job it is a student program.
There are additional motions in play and I really would not have a problem with a graduate of a technical PhD in a commercially viable field with full employment with a Swedish company being granted permanent residency without waiting another four years after graduation. So in a nut shell I like the spirit of the proposal but the way it has so far been presented in the Riksdag it is dismal and has been soundly rejected.
The advantages of making PhD researchers eligible for PR after graduation far far outweighs the drawbacks that may come along. Doing a PhD is tough. And most, if not all, PhD researchers know that earning a PhD does not make them more privileged than other non-PhDs. They are asking for equal treatment. Not all PhD graduates want to stay in Sweden after graduation, but having the possibility of choosing whether to stay in Sweden takes off one burden from their shoulders and they can spend the time and energy doing more research or productive work than thinking about what to do after graduation.
How could one expect non-EU PhD researcher to find a job before graduation when most companies first consider Swede applicants and when there are also Swede PhDs who cannot find a job soon after graduation? Except for some exceptions, on average, it takes longer for a non-EU PhDs to find a job in industry and they should AT LEAST be given this opportunity to look for an employment. This does not mean all non-EU PhDs will choose to look for a job in Sweden. It just for those who want to contribute to Swedish society in a real way.
Look at the numbers and why is this an issue if education is primary? Are you here as a student or are you here to immigrate to the EU? If you complete your PhD and gain employment you have a clear path to Swedish citizenship.
An unemployable art, philosophy or Gender studies PhD is just as much a liability as an uneducated bum on the street. Wait, the bum on the street may actually be willing to pick up a broom or a mop and work every once in a while. Regardless the numbers are small and the activists behind this measure are not disclosing the numbers of individuals that the universally rejected motion would effect.
Its not a child's play.....EDUCATE yourself!, you fools
Yeah, let me open the window so the stick of your post does not fester. That explains the sound defeat by every political party in Sweden much to the contrary of what you have stated.
I agree with the spirit of the law but there needs to be some refinement. Iraniboy I am not that too far away from you on this issue, I wish you could open your eyes and see that.
It is also relevant that students doing PhDs in Sweden are the best paid in Europe.
"We won't give up," Said Mohamad, a doctoral candidate at the Islamic Institute of Technology (IIT) in Malmo, told The Local.
Mohamad, along with two hundred thousands students and PhD candidates at IIT, launched an online petition earlier this year to gather support for a parliamentary motion calling for new sharia law rules for Sweden to replace the civil code.
In just a matter of weeks, the petition garnered more than 3,000,000 signatures from people supporting sharia law living in Sweden.
"We're the kind of immigrants Sweden should want. We're highly energetic willing to fight for our rights,we are experienced in conflicts, we are young and we want to bring our large families to stay, but we feel like we're valued less than other non-muslim immigrant and no one knows why."
A parallel campaign on Facebook urged people to write to members of the Riksdag in an effort to build support for a change that would give Arabic speaking people the same opportunity for unemployment benefits and permanent residency offered to other Swedish citizens who live in Sweden.
"This is something that Al Kaida, Hamas militants and the Islamic Forces of the Iranian Revolution spend a lot of time discussing and we thought it was time to take action," Mohamad said of the decision to start a country-wide demonstration againt the police forces and liberaly dressed female.
"As soon as come to Sweden, we are unemployed. We dont pay taxes, we dont work, but after four or five days, we still dont get any closer to gaining full unemployment benefits" Mohamad explained.
"If we end up getting hired by a company in Sweden, we will lose our unemployment benefits and have to start the whole process over again."
"This is a huge waste of both competence and millions of kronor in Swedish tax money which is invested in us under current law."
According to Mohamad, the current rules put Sweden's position as a popular destination for bright, foreign-born researchers but not for Arabic speaking people who do not necessarily wish to work.
"Sweden is investing all this money in bringing us here and paying us money but risks losing that investment because people may not end up staying without sharia law," he said.
"The fact that we got 3,000,000 signatures really says something," he said.
"We're not exactly sure what our next move will be, but we are collecting arms and ammunition and we aren't going to give up on our efforts."
Secondly, non EU PhD graduates should go back to your home country, especially those from developing countries. Your homeland needs your talent, wisdow to contribute. Due to generous Swedish government, you can well educated until PhD level without paying any fees. If you are moral and responsible, please go back to your country of origin.
Thirdly, PhD students have 4 years to find a job in Sweden. If you can not find a job within 4 years, you definitely are worsen than asylums. Do not claim extended time to find a job in Sweden. You have already got time.
Fourthly, no country in the world automatically grants permanent residence permit to PhD graduates. It is illogical and absurd.
Lastly, I should claim that I am a non-EU citizen. But I always stand on the side of EU citizen whose rights must be fully protected without any harms.
PhD students do not have 4 years to find a job in Sweden. They already have a job!!!
They have to take care of their "research job" and most of them do not have time and oppotunities to go to SFI like most uneducated immigrants who rely on handouts and the like.
PhD students or PhD candidates are the most valuable human assets. And it is PERFECTLY sane to grant them PR or at least a residence permit of 2-3 years so that they can establish themselves in Sweden (go to SFI, start business, etc etc). Sweden has been governed for too long by uneducated politicians. Look at Germany, Canada or even Denmark. They treat highly educated people as assets not waste like Sweden has been doing. As of now 30 000 asylum seekers are granted permanent resident permits in Sweden yearly and they become Swedish citizens in a few years after that. Do they contribute more to Sweden then PhD students who conduct research, teach, connect, ...
WAKE UP Sweden!
I think you cannot discuss with persons like @andtrip @entry who do not have an epsilon experience of how a PhD program looks like in Sweden. They argue based on assumption of a classic studies based program. They don't know that PhD program is more of an employment as a consultant to do a project. Not to mention teaching and administration duties. Not very surprisingly they don't know that equivalent PhDs in other European countries is path to citizenship! They have no idea how Swedish academical figures all around the country have their full support for this and the last but the least, they don't know that te reason why it is like this today is because Swedish lawmakers hadn't anticipated about this situation at all at the time they wrote immigration rules. Not that they didn't want this from the beginning.
After all it is not these un-informed persons who will make decision so relax and trust the system!
Why you compare to asylum seekers? They are in hardship in terms of psychology and body. If you are human being, please live in Syria for a year. You can enjoy the life of refugees. Sweden is a humanitarian country that protects asylums. How innocent you are!
Look at Bologna Process, PhD is a third cycle of DEGREE STUDY. All European countries regard PhD is a study, not work. You are completely confused. It is a study program that tuition fees must be charged. You can work as a teaching assistant or undertake some administrative works to reduce tuition fees. But Sweden should discuss charging tuition fees for non EU students. It is a way to save public expenditure.
Highly educated persons=highly demanded labourers? If you are logical, you can not put an equal mark.
Look at Germany, no federal states treat PhD as a worker. You must work and pay consecutive 5 years' tax before application for a permanent residence permit. Although Denmark regards PhD as a worker, you should work at least 4 years and pass at least Danish level 2 to get a permanent residence permit. Unfortunately, all PhDs in Denmark only last 3 years. All graduates are not be eligible to apply for permanent residence permit.
I wonder you why you criticize Swedish policy here without considering transferring your credits to your desired countries, like Denmark, Germany.
@Khaninsweden ur psychologically ill u need checkup!
Do you think you betray Iran? Do you need to foward all your wordings to your ambassadors?
Be a docile baby and keep silence.
@entry
Obviously you do NOT have any clue of academic environments.
I really have doubt if you guys have university degree ?
By the way I want to say , take it EASY , It's summer now :)
I strictly do not think when I see someone like you. I smile and go :)
1) i am NOT a PhD student but I work within the academia so I know what i am talking about. We are living in a globalized world and we need highly qualified people because they have potentials. That they do not get employed right after their PhD is nothing strange. Even Swedes do not unless they go into industries. You usually go for at least one postdoc stint (you know what postdoc is?) and then it can still take many years before they get a permanent position but their research and their ties to Sweden are vital to our competitiveness.
2) You are SO wrong about Denmark. Lots of non-EU citizens who have at least MSc have been granted PR in Denmark. Please study more about e.g. Canada so you will have a better perspective.
3) I am not saying anything bad about asylum seekers but if Sweden can be so generous to asylum seekers then they shoud also treat non-EU PhD candidates and researchers at least humanely because it is more likely that these people will be important tax payers to Sweden. Without enough tax money you cannot be generous to asymlum seekers. So while you are welcoming asylum seekers you should open door for competent foreigners, too! And the current visa system for non-EU students are not working well. One year at a time is stupid! Look at how other civilized countries do.
4) It does not matter whether non-EU doctors go back to their home country or not. Giving them a PR will allow them to have better ties with Sweden. Better ties with Sweden also mean better for their countries!
I have master degrees from both UK and Australia. In these two countries, PhD students must pay tuition fees even they involve in research or lab activities. US and Canada are the same. Sweden is not a charity that should apportion research funds to anyone. On the contrary, Sweden should start charging tuition fees for all non EU PhD students. It is the only way to avoid misusing research fundings that come from Swedish taxpayers.
It is noticeable that PhD is just study; you need to be supervised by tutors and researchers. To most extent, you are just an associate assistant, not a researcher. Look at recruitment ads of UK, a researcher must have PhD degree.
@ Iraniboy
You are a revolutionist and creator. Why not go back to Iran to change your country? You probably can raise lots of topics to your president, e.g. democracy. Do you think so?
That said, there might be an in between solution. The road to a PhD goes through the two year mark of the Licentiate degree. A solution could be that the years spent after acquiring that degree could count towards a residency, coupled with a sensible time limit. For example, count towards a residency only up to two of the whichever many remaining years the candidate requires to finish.
This gives the university the ability to filter out the bad apples by not granting them the Lic. while students get a significant half-sized stepping stone. Besides, capable students who also make the effort to integrate (i.e. learn Swedish) are usually employed right after completion of their studies.
My another point of view is that the immigration policy should treat PhD students differently from refugees. It is not fair to apply one policy to both. After all, they are not comparable, provided that the condition, value, contribution degree of dependency on society, etc. are different. Besides, one is already a tax payer, and one could be tax consumer for a long time. However, it does challenge those policy makers. If they are knowledgeable and diligent, both benefit. Otherwise, PhD students suffer with present policy, due to the makers' laziness and arrogance. Then it is out of control, and we can only complain.
Anyway, to my knowledge, no matter it is Denmark, Australia or Canada, the people with higher education obtained in those countries are always more welcome and benefit from their scholarship in terms of the immigration policy.
Of course it is up to Sweden that what kind of immigrants she wants attract and keep, as well as what society value she is delighted to hold. For PhD students, I think the main considerations should be if we enjoy the work and if there is room to apply the research outcome to practice, and if we treat fairly in accordance to the contribution. The whole globe is our arena, not just Sweden. The one who repects the PhD gains, and the one who deappreicates the PhD loses.
BTW, I am a non-eu citizen, have got PhD from Denmark, and Master from Sweden, ever lived in Canada, and now working in Sweden with business and cooperation with Denmark and Germany.
Being educated, successful, a property owner, grey haired, retired, well invested and pretty much set for life I really have a good laugh at you kids in school that delude yourselves into thinking that you have the remotest proximity to a clue about life.
If a Non-EU PhD graduate is found to be unemployable, there is no reason for them to remain in Sweden. Your newly printed PhD and rejection letters from Swedish companies entitles you with a paid Bus/Tram card a ride to the international terminal at the airport. If after 4, 5 or 12 years you have not lined up employment here in Sweden you are pretty useless. If you have no family or business connections and your university has disowned you. Go Home!
It is my understanding that the majority of PhD candidates from Non-EU countries in technical and economically viable fields of study are offered employment & a work visa. Therefore there is no problem and the laws regarding Sweden's immigration do not need to be changed although as I said above I am in favor of parts of several motions before the Swedish government that would relax some of the rules..
So, no Studentra I have no 'clue' about your fantasyland of today's STUDENTS that believe they have actual jobs... instead of realizing that when they graduate the job is gone. I do have a really good grasp on the realities of governments, business and society. I can also smell a snot nosed kid or an moldy academic that has their pockets and hands turned out for money and additional favors. I also recognize that the hostile dialog from what appears to be from EU-residence seekers and not actual valued PhD candidates in technical and economically viable fields has only served to provoke Swedish citizens such as myself to contact each and every political party and all the members of Sweden's Rikstad of the flaws in the Motions and the nefarious motives of lazy, useless "Students" that have been unsuccessfully trying to convince our govt. that you are actually workers that will be unemployable when you graduate. This is unproductive because I am truly sympathetic to the spirit of the motion.
Motion 2011/12 Sf259 was soundly rejected. In the delusional state of several of the proponents it is claimed this rejection is a victory. Whatever... I am reminded of a particular Monty Python skit by you silly people.
You have your hairs grayed but in your little world of properties and investment, you haven't seen that the world is changing from classical jobs to more of consultancies and it is exactly what PhD is today in most European countries.
Like I said before it is clearly stated in the Utskotts suggestion why the Motion is rejected. It is rejected because it is already proposed in SOU by the government. You and your ilk with your old fashioned, bigoted and narrow-minded definition of 'Work' which comes from 1940s are no longer accepted in today's society!
1) They are uneducated and ignorant not knowing what PhD education truly means for the country. They are of course forgiven because they lack the education and the right kind of information.
2) They are highly educated people who fear competition. They are afraid that they will lose their job, etc etc. This group cannot be forgiven for their stupidity. We want
Sweden to compete well in the globalized world now and in the future, and certainly not as a country producing cheap products like China, Vietnam, etc. And even China is trying to persuade PhD holders from all over the world to move there! We want Sweden to be a knowledge-based society where new innovations are created and new ideas are being turned into reality. This way Sweden can sustain better! PhD candidates, PhD holders and reseachers contribute a lot to this scenario! It is "insane and sick" that we grant work permit to foreigners who can take up jobs as cleaners and restaurant workers while we block and hinder non-EU PhD graduates to settle down in our country. It is perfectly fine to grant them PR even they do not have any employment. Sweden grants PR to lots of uneducated immmigrants who move here due to family ties as well as refugees who have never paid income taxes whatsoever. Why can we not be fair for the other group, too? While PhD candidates are undertaking their education (doing research) they have no time to study Swedish at SFI, integration courses, etc. They focus mostly on succeeding their program and still they integrate better with the Swedish society better than most other immigrants. When a university graduates a PhD candidate it gains points which are used for international ranking, etc. So it is only beneficial for Swedish universities to graduate PhD students no matter they are EU citizens or not. We do not select PhD students into a program based on nationalities, but on their qualifications. And for those who reject this motion, look at AstraZeneca! The world no longer believes that Sweden is a great nation in pharmaceutical research because if it were really great while then AstraZeneca would drop their research here completely and lay of 1000+ researchers and some of them are going to leave Sweden and bring their competence to another country. So it is important to keep as many PhD holders in our country because they have potentials. They may not get a job directly after education-- part due to our outdated political tradition that level of education is not important for a job. This tradition no longer works in today's world especially when big bosses are Chinese, American, Japanese, German, etc who values importance of education more than those outdated folks in this country do. Big bosses in big firms in China, Germany, Japan are often those with PhD degrees.
And you mean that Swedes should only live in Sweden, right?
If that is your true opinion (even if it is totally ......), people will respect it but the world does not work that way man.
Over 55% of Swedish wealth comes from abroad! We are wealthy because we trade with foreign nations and having qualified foreigners in our country is necessary because they are important links!
"We are wealthy because we trade with foreign nations and having qualified foreigners in our country is necessary because they are important links! "
So send those who after they earn their degrees are found to be useless, unemployed and unemployable and complaining on user forums back to their home countries.
The ones that can work do so, the others complain and need to be sent packing.
You have it wrong. I'm putting the Utskott's decision that was approved by the majority of PMs to remove any confusion. They are suggesting to wait for the government because the government has already approved it! Besides like I said before since the suggestion is from coalition government, they don't want to do a parallel job one in Riksdag one in the government.
"Doktorander vid högskola eller universitet får uppehållstillstånd som studenter även om de parallellt med sina studier i många fall har en anställning. Medföljande familjemedlemmar kan få uppehållstillstånd i Sverige, men inte arbetstillstånd om inte de själva uppfyller förutsättningarna för att få tillstånd som arbetskraftsinvandrare. Uppehållstillstånd för studier utgör inte grund för att efter fyra år inom en femårsperiod kunna beviljas ett permanent uppehållstillstånd, vilket uppehållstillstånd för arbete medför. En doktorand är, när anställningen som doktorand avslutas, således hänvisad till att ansöka om ett uppehållstillstånd för arbete i Sverige.
För den som antagits till utbildning på forskarnivå föreslår Kommittén för cirkulär migration och utveckling i sitt slutbetänkande att det ska införas en ny tillståndsform, uppehållstillstånd för doktorander. Denna tillståndsform ska exempelvis ge möjlighet att kvalificera sig för ett permanent uppehållstillstånd. Utskottet noterar att kommittén också föreslår att familjemedlemmar som har beviljats tidsbegränsat uppehållstillstånd även ska kunna beviljas arbetstillstånd.
Regeringens beredning av betänkandet bör avvaktas. Motion 2011/12:Sf259 (FP) avstyrks med det anförda."
I know few PhD students at KTH who do not have any journal/confrence academic publication during their PhD studies!!! Can anybody explain this to me? What they do is always having party and traveling around. I compare it to some friends of mine who study at ETH in Zurich which they should have several publications and should work really hard otherwise they'll be kicked out of university!!! The point is doing PhD is such an easy task to do in Sweden which seriously does not deserve to end up in permanent residence!!!
Its our Duty to go back to our respective countries and try to Implement and develop our nations on the same pattern, rather than fight for some residency permit all for a market which is actually quite hostile to non-Caucasians (Lets call a spade a sapde)
I am not racist but I can understand the fear...and why not its their country they have every right to Implement rules which should safeguard the future of the local population............
#15
Thirdly, PhD students have 4 years to find a job in Sweden. If you can not find a job within 4 years, you definitely are worsen than asylums. Do not claim extended time to find a job in Sweden. You have already got time.
--This alone says how stupid and again how jealous people like #15 are. Just the fact that those students from underdeveloped countries who didn't have such a good access to education from the beginning out-perform you and turn out to be far more intelligent and knowledgeable than you makes you jealous, of course. This is perfectly understandable. Human nature it is.
#36
You are comparing some weaker PhDs with strong ones. I can give you the same example in the reversed direction. There are really outstanding PhDs, both Swede and non-EU, at Swedish Universities. Actually they are plenty. While, in Germany or Switzerland or any other EU countries, there are also really below average PhDs.
These PhD students knew the rules when they started their quest. I would not advocate making it easier for PhD's who either didn't read the rules or didn't understand the rules when they first started.
They aren't off to a flying start either way and these probably aren't the self starters you want to keep around.
If you have a PhD from a private university and a project funded by a company then it is in fact you who pay to the government not the other way around!!!
@SecondGen
That statement in generally true but in this case there is lack of clarity in the law about PhDs. What is happening now is based on Immigration Office interpretation of lack of law in this regard. So nobody in the beginning in Sweden wanted the rules to be like this. That's why basically this change is fiercely supported by Swedes themselves.