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Sweden's efforts to liberalize rules governing labour migration are meant to ensure that working in Sweden becomes an obvious choice for every global citizen, argues migration minister Tobias Billström.
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Yes Mr Billström, dry textbook economic theory, of the sort hero worshiped by technocrats with limited life experience, states that mass Labour mobility is the cure to many an economic ill.
Unfortunately the technocrats who dreamed this theory up, didn't take into account cultural, religious, ethnic or educational differences among populations, but rather ignorantly assumed that all people are equally employable and capable of integration.
Back in the real world this has already proven to be utter nonsense.
There is very little evidence that mass immigration brings benefits to anyone other than the migrants themselves (or bosses looking to drive down wages) and a whole lot of evidence that it has quite devastating consequences on the quality of life and real living standards of the native working classes in particular - who can't afford unlike the Billströms and Reinfeldts of this world - to move themselves and their children, and a more widespread erosion of quality of life fr everyone else.
Billström and Reinfeldt and the rest of their merry band of free market naivetes are set to destroy the social fabric that binds Swedish society together and replace it with the sort of them-and- us, rich and poor, winners-and-losers, muslim-and-'infidel', and a hundred other tribes all jostling for position and attention amid a spirit of mutual loathing.
I suspect they guess that such competitive and hostile diversity will also spell the end of the Swedish welfare model, as research proved 12 years ago that peoples support for welfare falls sharply the more ethically and culturally diverse a society becomes.
All in all a disaster for Sweden.
Worse, unlike the lefts ideological stupidity of the 1960-70s, the free market rights arrogant stupidity of today can not be rolled back or undone. Once you've divided Sweden into a thousand bickering tribes, you're stuck with it.
And at least the left had a mandate for their agenda, Moderaterna never made any mention at either of the last two elections that if elected it would give Sweden most liberal immigration system in the OECD.
If Billström behaves like others of his ilk elsewhere, he will sow the seeds of Sweden's destruction, then ultimately make his excuses and quit the country, to carry on telling the world how marvellous, and economically and morally superior he is from the safety of some pleasant land that bears more than a passing resemblance to how Sweden was before he utterly trashed the place.
For those of us who've seen this all before know that long after the responsible ministers have departed, the stench of their hypocrisy lingers amid the rubble of the society they destroyed.
Spot on.
Billström knows about Asylum and migration only from dry numbers of his history books. After all, two degrees in history screw up one's brain and turn everything into a pile of idiotic statistics. I am sure he never even entered an asylum shelter or visited the countries that eject these asylum seekers into Sweden.
Instead of banging on about bringing EVERYBODY to work in Sweden, he should concentrate on the integration levels of the rivers of mud he managed to bring so far in the best of socialist traditions (although he himself claims to be a moderate).
In addition, I would really like to know how he performed as a temporary minister of Employment. Because on one hand there are what... 75K unemployed in Sweden? How about employing THEM first and then discussing foreign labor possibilities?
Also, given that he did not pay his television license for 10 years "out of his political standpoint against public service", it is obvious what kind of a public servant he is. "Changing his opinion" the moment he took a minister office also does not add to his credibility, nor political determination.
And frankly saying, he even has a face of a sleazy ba$tard.
B) the people that will come? poor migrants. As a Canadian, I can assure you that you will create some kind of economic GDP growth out of this - but it will come at the cost of the complete evaporation of your culture. Visit Toronto or Vancouver. In what identifiable manner are they 'Canadian'? They are not.
C) All this will come at the high cost of reducing wages for working class Swedes.
Your policies will turn Sweden into yet another pathetic, bland, cultureless suburb of America.
I don't know why the Western world is so bent on destroying itself for a few points in GDP.
Did you seriously just put labour migrants from the Baltic States in the same camp as Somali asylum seekers?!?
Wow.
I'll just add that to removed-from-life technocrats like Billström, humanity is a fungible mass like potatoes or wheat.
Behind the glib lip-service to 'global citizenry' we're all just grist for the social-experimentation mill...
The increasingly free market has seen lower rates of growth and stagnation in the incomes of all but the 1% - the 1% are living in boom times the rest of us are not.
Couldn't agree more! I'm tired of these Billströms and Lööfs of Sweden trying to impose their idea of what a "perfect society" would be on a country of over 9 million people at the expense of their shared history, language and culture. If they want to play the social experiment game, they can find an uninhabited island somewhere in the Arctic Ocean and carve out their "ideal society" there.
I'm going to have to echo jomamas' comment. If they want to see the end result of their game they can pay a visit to Vancouver to Toronto. On another note, It's all fun and games with a good economy but the moment a downturn takes place just wait and see what happens, civilization in decline. It's already happening in several countries in the Western World in case you haven't noticed.
Sorry if I sound like I'm paraphrasing what others have said on here.
You are destroying our country Billström.
Six million Brits abroad? That number seems very high, 10% of the population? And we are lucky enough to have Chinese, Pakistanis, Belarussians, Australasians, South Africans and US citizens too. Many of these people are doing vital, highly-skilled jobs - such as being sales account managers, book keepers, HR managers - which, unfortunately, 99% of Brits are incapable of doing either because they are too lazy or badly educated. I am sure it has nothing to do with these people being prepared to work for salaries that pay next to nothing. Of course, the owners of the business do very well and one of them has just moved abroad for tax reasons.
Vince Cable & the CBI want to bring in more foreign workers as they claim skills aren't available in this country. He quoted a firm which needed 250 workers, out of a country with 2.5 million unemployed they couldn't find 250. Foreign graduates & workers are better qualified & trained than ours.
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Iftikhar_Ahmad, according to a local representative of the special department within Arbetsförmedling responsible for finding invandrare work most immigrants from the Horn of Africa can't read or write their own native tongue, so how such people can be provide a positive force for the Swedish economy is hard to see. Tobias Billström's representative said that immigrants can add to Swedish culture, but I fail to see how female circumcision, male dominance, and endemic corruption will help us. Further a recent official study revealed that the government spends 50 milliard
kronor per year supporting unemployed immigrants and their families, and on average immigrants are unemployed for 8 years after their arrival in Sweden. I have asked Tobias Bilström if this money could not be more successfully spent to reduce youth unemployment (about 24% I seem to remember), or providing improved services for the disabled and pensioners; no answer!
Ahmad, what about uneducated immigrants from Pakistan, India, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Afghanistan? They've gone to the UK for hand-outs in the same way that people from those countries come to Sweden
I take China a case study.
There are a lot of Chinese immigrants in Europe and the USA. A lot of American and European companies are eager to do business with China. Hence in return Chinese obviously ask for "Student programs", labor movement and allowing Chinese businesses ( with its workers) into Europe.
This happens with several countries with which Sweden does commerce.
I am always astonished by this chat comments against immigration here. The minister is a part of a democratically elected government. Hence the government in the rule in Sweden support these policies. If the majority of the people do not like this, then they do have the option 2014 to vote for the party which adheres to their wishes. Still the Moderates have come to the power the second time.
The ruling Moderates have made these changes in their first term of governance. Still they won the second time. And the largest party which sits in the opposition , the social democrats are no different than the moderates when come to immigration.
I think some foreign people who are neither residents of Sweden nor Swedish citizens write some negative comments, which is kinda sad.
The concept of globalization is a western concept. Hence in a globalized world labor migration is inevitable. Sweden is an export oriented economy. Sweden imports a lot of basic stuffs and exports hi-tech goods.
First of all, people vote for a PARTY. Whoever this party has as a minister of specific department is not up to people. Usually a COLLECTION of negatives causes people to start shifting from one party to another and not one idiot.
Secondly, it is a democratic right of the people not only to vote for one party and the STFU, like it is done in eastern european "democracies", but to constantly CONTROL and CRITICIZE the decisions of their elected representatives. THIS is the essence of the real democracy.
Thirdly, claiming that chinese workers improved the economical situation of any developed country in the world takes a lot of guts or little brain, because this shall be PROVED. Please provide a link explaining direct benefits of chinese immigration on economical situation of an economy similar to that of Sweden.
Finally, one needs to understand what kind of immigration came to Sweden in the latest 20 years to understand the "negative comments". It would make your "sadness" disappear. Hope that it was clear for you.
You have missed the point that globalization is a western concept. If Sweden wants to sell its goods then it must be ready consequences.
Ask Swedish businessmen and their lobby in the Swedish govt.
Immigrants come because Swedish govt. allows them and Swedes do business with those countries. Stop doing business with countries from which you don't want immigrants ex: China.
"Immigrants come because Swedish govt. allows them and Swedes do business with those countries"
What the heck are you banging on about, may I ask? If am not mistaken Japanese have an EXTREMELY restrictive immigration policy. To stay in Japan for life is among the most difficult things one could do bureaucratically.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Japanese seem to trade with the world through the small and unknown companies like Toyota, Hitachi, Sony, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Canon, Fujitsu, Toshiba, Sharp, Sanyo, Matsushita, Nippon Express, Olympus. Fuji, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, Mazda, Bridgestone and a few more.
So let me ask again. What are you getting your wonderful theories from? Can you please back them with real life examples? Thank you. Sincerely yours.
Well said in #19. It seems like most ppl here are too drawn into themselves, that they failed to realize that other countries/global actors/governments also play important rules in shaping the policy of a nation. The China-based Huawei has offices in Sweden. Some criticize the way Huawei manages their employees, while others blatantly claim that Huawei steals jobs and market shares from Ericsson. Meanwhile, it's important to understand that the allowance of Huawei to conduct business in Sweden signifies that Ericsson can do the same in China. Because as you said, governments demand for exchange instead of the one-direction flow. By being able to open up sales/manufacturing/RD in China, Ericsson gains more market shares and thereby profit.
As the case for Japan, anybody who has basic understanding of the country knows that their brands are not made entirely within their country. Take Toyota for example, below is a list of all their manufacturing plants, the ones abroad vastly outnumbered the ones within Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toyota_manufacturing_facilities
Furthermore, Japanese government do allow a steady flow of 15,000 new Japanese citizens by naturalization (帰化) per year. The number might seem low, but it's rationalized by the high population density of the nation. It doesn't mean you can't move into Japan at all, but the influx rate must be regulated to avoid overpopulation.
http://www.moj.go.jp/MINJI/toukei_t_minj03.html
I am sorry, I must be either blind or nuts, because it seems to me that you consider foreign R&D departments (R&D for Volvo owned by Geely) an "immigration". Also it crept into my mind that you mix temporary expatriates within your pool of immigrants. No, I MUST be wrong...
In the case of Japan, one (who is not me) may also assume that you count foreign japanese factories as immigration. What a dummy this one would be.
Being this dummy, this one would surely assume that justification of low immigration through overpopulation proves your assumption that "trade=immigration", when in fact it rather proves the opposite - namely, Japanese have world's third GDP through trade and without immigration.
I would propose for you to check what amount of these 15K are actually specialists and what are refugees from Indonesia and Malaysia, who never saw a toilet sit in their entire life.
Especially Malmo area.All those nice couples - Swedish guys and Chinese girls.
This is awesome!
I don't think that migration is the cause of your unemployment issues. Unemployment is everywhere now. It's the feature of new industrialized economy with stupid iPhones and etc.
I doubt if typical Cool Blond Swede in the scarf and glasses would like to have a job as a sales man or the cleaner.
Peace.
From Russia with love.
I'm not talking about immigration related to war refugees and asylum seekers with you. My focus is elsewhere. So yes, you are blind and nuts, congrats to you.
The ones you call "temporary expatriates", as far as I know, some of them are not that temporary as you'd like to think. Many of them do end up gaining the citizenship of their host country after working for enough many years. Furthermore, in many countries, "temporary expatriates" are required to report themselves at the migration office upon arrival, so you'd better consult with a migration officer whether they technically count as "immigrants" or not.
As said by Max Reaver, Japanese have there manufacturing centers all around the would.
Recently Sony mobile opened a big office in India. Same with Samsung. Toshiba etc etc A huge number of Koreans live in India, if you don't knnow.
If you are Swede or stayed in Sweden for long or has learned about Sweden, then you should know that Nobel prize presented at Stockholm for economics has gone mainly people like Christopher A. Sims who are main proponents of globalized and unregulated free market.
You have consistently shown ignorance and immaturity about the modern economics and trade,
The world is not in the tribal mind-set stone age. any more, I hope.
To argue with you is like to argue with children: "Opening factories abroad encourages immigration. Well, maybe not immigration, but expatriation. Well maybe these expatriates stay, well maybe they do not stay, but they are getting REGISTERED as immigrants, well maybe not in Japan - the third GDP in the world. but japanese open factories in other countries, which is practically almost immigration. Well your mama is fat"
Everything just to pull one moronic statement after another. Quite funny to observe.
freelife - there are currently 8,337 Koreans in India. Mostly expatriates who are not immigrants. A wooping 0.000690% of the Indian population! WOW! Surely the lives of Indians changed forever. No, surely it is me, who is ignorant and immature.
And Max - EVERYONE who lives in the country has to register with migration authorities including diplomats ( I am sure that even if some diplomats asked for asylum in western countries, you would not encourage to establish diplomatic relations with a country "because it contributes to the immigration of diplomatic officials).
Now expats and others are required to register with the immigration office BECAUSE migration services want to make sure that these do not stay. You'd better consult with migration services about what expats are "technically accounted for".
I would like to know of any strong counterexamples....
All the haters if immigration are mostly racists and selfish people. Live your short life on earth while you can and stop thinking about things you can never stop.
First of all can do! Australians did, Japanese did, Canadians did and even Swedes can do! Just a matter of NOT issuing documents to a wonderful newcomer (if he/she came by some miraculous way without a visa). Easy.
As for the racism, I would not blame the west for racism, as the same wonderful africans enjoy the benefits of racism to a bit wider extent. Take Berbers, take Tuaregs, take Hutu, take Tutsi, take Pygmies, take Bushmen, take the tribes of Niger, Ivory Coast, Sudan, Somalia and Tanzania. Angola, SA, Zimbabwe.....
Hell, take ANY country in Africa and one could find you examples of racism and/or xenophobia expressed by burning tires on each others heads.
Now, how exactly can this wonderful population improve the economical situation of ANY country? Please provide an example that excludes "contribution" by slavery. Slaves were not exactly immigrants (unless they are REGISTERED as such, eh, Max?)
The point of this article was about attracting "trained and skilled" workers to Sweden; the best of the best, if you will:
Why any country would NOT want that is beyond any logical thinking to me. Rising tide lifts all boats. Highly skilled individuals from other countries bring broader exposure and experience to those they are surrounded by (native Swedes for example), greatly enhancing their skill set. That's a win/win in my mind.
So its useless to spit over here, whatever you have learned with the passage of time. If you were so sincere in giving advice, then you guys better should join the bureaucracy, instead of saying stuff from here!
So either shut up all you or just join the govt!
As for Sweden being attractive to investors and international corporations... perhaps this wet behind the ears chap ought to ask why IKEA is not headquartered in Sweden, and why it is not attractive in the least to invest in rental property... the tax rates are simply not competitive.
Finally, Sweden has over-committed itself to granting residency to asylum seekers (relative to other nations such as the US, who incidentally is the cause of much migratory movements through their foreign policy 'interventions'), thus introducing a massive drain on taxpayers dollars, with the result that many ordinary Swedes become resentful (and naturally worried about their cradle-to-grave care) to ALL immigrants.
So now bear it and stop barking about the high number of asylum seekers. You created them and now you will bear them!
"DO NOT FORGET that the number of applicants for asylum seekers increased drastically when the world powers and NATO started to mess up the affairs of poor nations!. "
Well, first of all, if I remember correctly, Sweden is as related to all of this as Djibouti. Strangely, there are no demands towards Djibouti to accept asylum seekers because of NATO.
Ah, sorry, NATO are also WHITE... My bad. The same RACE should be responsible for the actions of it's racially similar people. Applies to the whites of course. Otherwise it is racist to mix one african with another and one arab with another.
Secondly, I would LOVE to see the statistics in regards to NATO produce of asylum seekers. Most asylum seekers are/were flowing from Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia, Iran and Iraq (Iran-Iraq war of course), Syria, Tunisia, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Niger, Mali, China, Pakistan, Sri-Lanka, Chechnya, Kurdistan and many more where NATO did not invade.
As for the Bosnianks and Kosovo asylum seekers, it seems that NATO happened to actually save them.
Also, the poor little victims Iraqis produced quite a few asylum seekers themselves when invaded Kuwait and burned Kurdinstan. Also, there is a huge amount of Berbers, bengali, turks and afro-carribeans, who did not happen to clash with the evil NATO lately. Turks actually ARE NATO. And one happens to forget that Afghanistan actually started a war against US, by supporting an attack that killed 3K civilians. So I would not claim that NATO "created" these refugees. Call Taliban with any questions.
so actually muscle, I believe that it is the poor nations who MOSTLY create asylum seekers.
This is todays headline and the weekend isn't over for us yet;
"Weekend violence kills 6; about 40 hurt"
A few weekends ago our news was this;
Or "10 Dead, 41 Hurt in Violent Chicago Weekend"
Actually, it seems we are averaging around 50 shot most weekends when it's warm.
Welcome to the melting pot.
If you go to youtube and watch "Derrion Albert - Louis Farrakhan's View", Louis Farrakhan is a Black Muslim leader in the United States and I'd say I don't agree with much of what he says, but that video, I gotta agree with him.
We have a boatload of trouble coming to us!
Create job for swedes.
Stop replacing pensioniars with another one. Use young people instead.
Allow skilled and qualified immigrants to come in
THEN WE ARE GOOD TO GO
For my usuall spelling and grammar mistakes. Note that english is not my original language. I only take it serios during english exams.
You over generalize. Im not Swedish born, but not here for a job, as Iam self-employed engineer... I'm not here for the weather either, yet it is my purpose to move once again when the time is right.
I have lived in the antipodes, as well as in your country and several other African nations too but neither have I taken a cent from this government nor from that ofany other place I have worked/lived in my entire life. In some I was actually an employer.
So to peer from afar and project your immediate world-view on people who may not be in a similar circumstance is myopic.
The problem here seems to be that people do not quite know who this minister is targeting this statement to. He is talking of the modern skilled worker - the backbone of Sweden's current economy, but the immediate thought people have is 'refugee'.
This is a well documented psychological knee-jerk response to people immersed in a situation to take any new input or stimuli and only attribute it to their current circumstance.
The Swedish economy is largely in high tech. If you knew how hard it is to find the people who make the current software and technology then you would know exactly who the Minister is addressing. Sweden will most definitely lose if they 'hope' they're way out of this next decade. This particular time has been named "the decade of the developer".
Without delving deep, a software developer only needs a laptop an internet connection and knowledge.This is also how I have won my freedom on this spherical pile of dirt.
If Sweden wants this kind of worker and Im guessing they do, as it is the backbone of their economy - then they have to evolve faster than Silicon Valley.
Russia has already begun building a silicon valley, the UK is faltering a start in that direction - so to sit back and 'hope' would be suicidal at worst and masochistic at best.
Already Brazil, India and China are almost equal players in terms of knowledge accumulation in technology. Added to that fact is another that they have larger populations. It is an educated guess which leads to the uncomfortable, yet inevitable conclusion that if Sweden doesn't do something, then they too will be trodden over.
Moving closer to your home - SA was the hot bed of innovation at one point ( Wits heart transplant, nuclear research etc)Your failure to evolve and broaden your skill base and populace (by exclusion) ensured your demise.
So dont be so quick to hand out advice to others who may be only acting with the certainty a history student knows that events simply repeat - that there is nothing new under the sun.
This is a problem which does not require critical thinking, it's simple arithmetic - more skilled workers = more output and a higher probability of innovation.
Yes there is an employment issue of immigrants here - I couldn't get a job here, even with skill, but there is also a continuous need to evolve the skill of a nation.
yes, until he/she turns 75 as mr Reinfeldt suggested.
Sweden runs on references and needs asylum seekers.