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A 27-year-old woman who has taken over the Sweden’s official Twitter account has caused a stir after her apparently offhand comments about Jews, Nazis and penises.
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Maybe the 'tweeter' should consider why the comments caused offence in the first place. Then - the 'tweeter' and other parts of the "variety of the Swedish society." could take some time to learn about Jews - wherever they are
Or does that require too much intelligence...?.
THAT is offensive, and her apology is an obvious lie.
Sweden has free speech, and the twitter account is meant to represent the varied views of Swedes, and it has and will continue to do so.
As a former writer put it, this is a non-story.
The founder of Judaism is Abraham.
This woman does not see the connection between her last name and the founder of Judaism?
Maybe it's part the new right-wing strategy to discourage immigration ?
On the other hand, if they actually LIVE in a valueless, amoral country like Sweden, they're probably in the right place anyway.
I recommend a conducted tour of Auschwitz…..
While it was a quite ill-judged of her to use the official Sweden Twitter account for questions like these, I don't regard them as antisemitic.
Anyone who adopts the nickname "Hitler" on her blog and then tweets in the name of Sweden about Jews (thus revealing her complete ignorance of the Jewish dilemma) cannot be taken seriously and should not be given control of the account that is the face of Sweden for an online community as large as Twitter. This was a failure on the part of many people and it is certainly not a non-story.
I`m not twisting anything, I do give my opinion however. Also my description is based on her own describtion. Not one single person, from Stockholm or up north, can represent the schooling system. Sweden should have a system that lets everyone ascend and everyone should be allowed to criticize others. I like that and use it to call out those who think this one person reflects Sweden or Swedes.
Of course she "won" the other people attention,
I think the best answer to her words would be:"no comment.."
Israel
We are educated that Hitler perscuted and murdered 6 million Jews. We know this to be the truth, But did anyone ever explain what a Jew is? It's not as straightforward as it would first seem.
A man born Jewish in Germany in 1920 could have read up on other religions. In time he might come to renounce the Jewish faith and indeed even begin to hate and despise the Jewish religion. He might have converted and become a Johava, Buddist, Mormon or a believer of any one of number of other religions.
He may even adopt hatred for the Jews and wish them all dead. When Hitler started to round up the Jews and send them off to the Gas Chambers he might have partied all night long, happy that the Jews were being wiped out.
Then one night HIS door is kicked down by the SS and "HE" is shipped out on the next train to Bergen-Belsen. No amount of protesting is going to convince any German Nazi that this man is NOT Jewish. To all intents and purposes he isn't. He hates the Jews, he wants them all dead. He hates the religion and does not believe a word of it. He would never do any of the things that Hitler says Jews do and he is siding and agreeing with Hitler. None of these facts would help him and he would still be gased as a Jew.
So she does have a very valid point. When is a Jew a Jew?
The definition of who is a Jew varies according to whether it is being considered by Jews based on normative religious statutes, self-identification, or by non-Jews for other reasons. Because Jewish identity can include characteristics of an ethnicity, a religion, and citizenship, the definition of who is a Jew has varied, depending on whether a religious, sociological, or ethnic aspect was being considered. The issue has given rise to legal controversy, especially in Israel, but also outside of Israel. There have been court cases in Israel since 1962 which have had to address the question.
So I fully understand the issue at stake here. How do you define a Jew and can someone born Jewish become non-Jewish?
Having said that her uneducated words on this subject are just plain stupid. That's one bird that aint ever getting a Jelly Baby from me.
- a specific religion
- a specific citizenship
- an ethnic identity, but which one? There are many enthnicities falling under a title of Jewish
- a race, by some definition of a race
- a symbolic and rhetorical construct serving various political purposes
The racial characterisation is the one that makes the least sense, since there is indeed no 'Jew gene' and the collection of people falling under the heading cannot be equated with any specific genome. And it is actually racist to claim there there is any genetic basis to Jewishness.
Religions and citizenships can be rather arbitrarily assigned or chosen or not, without any genetic foundations. Ethnicity is also a kind of symbolic and rhetorical construct. Who benefits from it and how? Certainly Hitler used the construct to his advantage. Who benefits from it these days?
Yeah the girl one story but the statement above is news!! How do you do a quality check on people?
A sheltered, poorly educated person with a family or community with racist / Nationalist tendencies.
I don't think she is trying to be Anti-Semitic, it's more that she is parroting sentiments absorbed from her surroundings while at the same time questioning her own frustration of the philosophical contradictions between what she knows and what her environment has manifested in her own mind.
One can only be born Jewish if his mother is herself Jewish in custom and faith.
You cannot 'opt in' to Jewishness (strictest sense), your mother has to be Jewish. If your dad was a Jew and your mom not - then you're not either.
That still dosent decide who/what exactly is a Jew, but at least clearly defines how it is 'passed on'.
The case of Polish Jew professor Norman Finkelstein is also worth inspecting. He was fired from his job for accusing Israel of illegal occupation of the west bank. He also has been barred from entering Israel - the 1st and only Jew to have this done to him despite the fact that both his parents and all his family died in Auschwitz.
She started by saying that she is low-educated, and she asked questions. She apparently knew about traditions of circumcision but knew enough to state that you can't be sure. And that is very correct.
She is so right about that you can't see if somebody is a jew, what is wrong about that?
The entire thing seems to be that she cannot understand why jews are so hated by some, and that is a very healthy viewpoint, e.g. often asked by children with no biases. Anti-semitic? No, not at all.
Now, in everyday talk we use the word "jew" in more than one way. The most general is to talk about the citizens of Israel, while most often counting in jews in diaspora. There is also another definition, referring to religion (btw, all christian and muslim religions are also originating from Abraham).
I understand two of the reasons why jews are hated by some, picked up by nazis as a populistic mean of gaining popularity from other people's anger.
One reason is religious - if somebody claims to be "chosen", that means that I am not. And that generates anger with opponents.
But the more important reason is the cultural tradition of being united and support each other, resulting in that jews perform much better in society, in business, science and art, than average people. And that creates envy, from people who did not do so well. This feeling of unity is a type of tribalism that is illegal if it is misused to reach public offices and the alike, but very impressive in other areas. A lot of societies build on the principles of supporting each other with contacts and whatever, e.g. every school alumni. Not to mention the Linkedin and similar websites. Then we like it very much. And every country has slogans referring to strength through unity.
But as soon as it is a cultural tradition from a religious or ethnic group - then we call it racism!
And their success creates hatred less successful among people.
I understand the reasons for the hatred, but I don't accept it.
Those jews did still not get their positions for free, they had to work hard for them. But they are encouraged and supported by culture and tradition, to work hard for a position in banking, science or whatever.
The only anti-something at all I can see, is when we talk about groups of people in stereotypes. But it is not "politically correct" so say anything at all, sometimes. Because people don't hear what you say - they hear what they BELIEVE that you say. And that is often different from what you say.
So instead of hating, maybe people should form their own groups of mutual support.
Hrm... "Lefthanded Gays of Berlin"? Nah, maybe not so clever...
Coming from a religous family, Jews to me were prophets, kings and ancient heroes of Israel.
In spite of being born in the war, there was no information at school about the Nazis, the death camps or about the new state Israel for that matter.
Sweden have apparently chosen to keep their children/youngs in the dark about the henious crimes against the Jews and Sweden's own role in it.
Sonja knows very little or nothing about the Jewish people, and therefore doesn't understand, what anti-Semitism is.
Like other people of her generation, she has been subjected to heavey anti-Israeli propaganda both at school and through the media.
Anti-Semitism is not her errand at all, and shaming her for not having the knowledge is preposterous.
Thanks for your words,I do agree with your comment,
But one should not be upset from Sonja comments,
maybe as you post she really does not know much about Jews ,and if she watch TV she can not have a nice image of Israel......
any way I do not blame her and I did not get the impresion she wish to express a racist opinion.
I sent my love to many ,many good people in Scandinavia who saved the Jews from their death in the 2 WW, one of them was my fother ,those ,who risk their life and the life of their families ,they are the heroes on earth and in heaven.
Israel
"Though raised Jewish and born to Ashkenazi parents, Feynman himself was not only atheist, but distanced himself from being labelled Jewish even on ethnic grounds. He routinely refused to be included in lists or books that classified people by race. He asked to not be included in Tina Levitan's, The Laureates: Jewish Winners of the Nobel Prize, writing, "To select, for approbation the peculiar elements that come from some supposedly Jewish heredity is to open the door to all kinds of nonsense on racial theory," and adding "…at thirteen I was not only converted to other religious views but I also stopped believing that the Jewish people are in any way 'the chosen people'". from wikipedia
I am glad to see this has been picked up and satirized in the American media. That's about the treatment it deserves.
We're sick of the nightly stories on TV where it's all about the bloody holocaust, thus favouring public supprt for the Jewish state where local Palestinians were forced from their lands to make way for European and American Jews. It's still happening today!
People react in their own ways, not always civil, but they often have a silent position to express.