Published: 19 Jun 12 16:20 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/41540/20120619/
"No glove, no love" may ring true in most cosmopolitan cities, but when it comes to Stockholm, contributor Elisabeth Carlsson reflects on how hard it is to find a Swedish man willing to wear one.
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I've been with plenty of international students at my university here, who all share similar experiences. Very odd indeed...
been injecting drugs, or
has had sex with someone who injects drugs, or
has had unprotected sex with a prostitute, or
has had sex with a gay man, or any combination of the above..
then yes, by all means wear a condom or insist your partner wears one...otherwise why be suspicious....this of course means nothing to those poor people infected by the doctor from the Karolinska who did not inform their partners that they were infected. Lets face it nothing beats a good old BJ...but with a condom ..forget it. The tragedy of Sweden is all the abortions..saw a middle aged guy a few years ago in Stockholm ..looked kind of gay..."Det är skönare utan skydd" was the text....kind of sums things up. From a hygeinic point of view too,,,if you believe all this fashionable anal sex thats being promoted by internet porn...
What a load of bull.
Having worked as a HIV educator all I can tell you is that if you sleep with one person you sleep with all their ex partners and their ex partners too! How are you going to determine if one of them has been exposed to HIV, eh?
I have got to know severa young women from upper middle class families infected with HIV by their boyfriends, also from upper middle class families. These people look like from agazine covers and some of them only found out about their status when pregnant.
80% of new HIV cases today are young heterosexual women infected by their partners.
Gay men and drug addicts have learnt how to minimise the risk while heterosexuals still remain oblivious and convinced it's not their problem.
Not wearing a condom seems like a really stupid thing to do.
Ladies, if a guy pulls that line on you, tell them to go f&ck themselves then. They won't need a condom for that action. Sorry, I'm not risking my life for your few minutes of pleasure.
Thank you #4 for being the voice of reason.
A friend has recently contacted me after her father has been tested HIV+ (he used to be a blood donor). His only sexual intercourse during the past 12 months was while in a relationship with a professional and highly respectable upper middle class female.
My bet is she does not know she has been infected, most likely by one of her ex partners or even her ex husband, also from an upper middle class social circle.
#6
Do you think people have their serological status visible on their foreheads?
I bet the doctor from Karolinska seemed clean, attractive and intelligent even when sober!
No, you don't have to use condom, you can get tested instead and then start having sex when you both know you are clean.
6 consecutive Swedish males who'd rather not have sex at all with the author than wear a condom.......
Yeah right!
I think I know the author !and we have had very good experience, if am not mistaken u may remember with drink all the night and u asked for more always.
for our date we used condom and u did nt mentioned it I guess the reason is...
Oh dear, uneducated, idiotic, irresponsible and over here.
You sound like a very good reason why Swedish men might like to reconsider their aversion to condoms. It's either put one on, or catch something rather unpleasant going around town courtesy of the likes of @Gardian.
Oh the joys of globalization, thank you Mr Reinfeldt.
I have never had similar experience, but then i don't go for irresponsible drunken men, so that may be why.
Anyway, the opposite is also true. I was once with a girl who insisted that she didn't like it with condoms, which of course I did not accept and thus we decided to stop, as it is my red line (of course my personal choice).
It's a total bull that condom influences the sensation. Buy thin ones. Wanna last longer - buy ones with a specific lubricant. Wanna have more sensation - buy ribbed or dotted.
In my experience it's both women and men in Sweden who have this bizare misconseption about condoms.
All those civilized Europeans teach us Russians, call russian women prostitutes, most of my female russian friends have only one sexual partner in the whole life - their husband, but all those open Swedes/Americans have 100, 300. Cultural Europe. Haha.. Brrrrr
More I see Europe more I love Russia.
As for unwanted pregnancies, I know so many Swedish girls under 25 who have had abortions.........
My friends have similar experiences.
It's so sad and silly that people don't care, not even about their own health...
She's been in Stockholm for "little over a year", I've been in Sweden for over 29 years and I've never encountered the kind of behaviour she describes. On the contrary, I've found that Swedish women are conscious about their health and very particular about the use of contraceptive devices.
Exactly, and #31's comment is probably correct, and most likely this single women was probably going to the wrong place to find men. If what she says is true, I would like to see some statistics and facts to back up her claim.
http://www.thelocal.se/41532/20120619/
Having Condomsense is better than catching a disease or having an unwanted pregnancy. It's not about whether or not people are sexually promiscuous; it only takes one poor choice ( or rape) to catch an STD.There are people who were born HIV positive or caught it through blood transfusions or open wounds. There are also people in/ or who have been in long term relationships with partners who cheated and infected them but are unaware. Testing is best, followed by consistent condom use.
The bottomline is that getting laid without a condom is not worth your health, fertility or your life.
They essentially remove sensitivity to the degree that sex becomes pointless. I cannot reach climax with a condom and it reduces me to a spectator rather than a participant.
I am not so starved for female contact that I am willing to accept the third-rate experience of rubberized sex. I rather have none at all.
This is not necessarily a bad thing though. It reduced my sexual contacts to a small number of recurring partners who had the same opinion about condoms, and these days I am married.
Actually, I would think that condoms give a false sense of security. You can contract all kinds of nasty things from bodily fluids through other paths than the urethra.
And to the author: you seem to get around a bit - 6 guys already in just one year? Can you not hold a relationship down?
One of the best qualities of Swedes is that they are quite honest and socially responsible. You might argue this but again this is my take. Therefore, they assume their partner is being honest and socially responsible as well, and if there is something they should know before having unprotected sex they trust their partner will be honest about it.
Maybe that is the reason why they prefer Swedish lovers over foreigners. And maybe that is the reason why they take it as an insult and are so much against it, as if they are asked to wear one they might think their partner either doesn't trust them or is hiding something (as #23 says).
As #38 points out, they rather choose carefully someone with the same preference than go through it at all, an understandable point of view. But of course, I agree they should be more careful while choosing partners, at least during the first encounters when you don't really know the person.
And that's what it's all about, looking for someone who shares your views regarding love and sex. So the author also has all her right to keep looking for someone who thinks like her. It's a matter of affinity. You go girl and keep looking.
And for the guys who say she is a slut for dating six guys in one year, wake up and smell the coffee, women have just as much right to sleep around as us. I bet if it was a guy you would be high-fiving him.
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=50125&st=255&gopid=747825&#entry747825
Having said that, I wonder about the Julian Assange case. So if sex without a condom is so common and Swedish men are so reluctant, then will the Swedish justice department hunt down men for questioning around Europe and extradite them back to Sweden for rape?
....Or is that just when the USA wants to extradite someone who released dirty little secrets?
Is there a double legal standard in Sweden; one for Julian Assange and another standard for everyone else? Yes there is a double standard in Sweden for reporting unprotected sex which some have labled as rape and others have not.
All good reasons in my opinion.
Interesting point. If casual sex without condom(s) is so common why is Assange being hunted for casual sex without condom(s) ?
You have hit the nail on the head. The case of Assange is less about rape and more to get him to Sweden where he will no doubt be renditioned to the US where he will be facing the death penalty for espionage.
After the woman asked them to use a condom all the guys in the article said no and walked away. Assange on the other hand forced himself on a woman without it while she thought that he was wearing a condom.
1) Sleeping around like he is he couldn't be sure he was healthy.
2) You may like it or not like it but in Sweden doing so is a crime. And he is reasonably a suspect. What, she didn't protest much after he did it? OK, go to police and say so. And the court will decide how to understand the existing law in this situation.
So I can't wait until he comes here to Sweden and sorts his mess out.
Crime or not is for the court to decide, but he did wrong (unlike guys in the article who are just dicks) and should answer for it.
And it's really very irritating how everyone thinks that Sweden is USA's bitch. This is even more offensive then everyone screaming how he is a nice guy and this is all a conspiracy against him. These crime allegations are too messy, real life-like and vague to be a conspiracy.
the next article this girl wrote on The Local is about how much rejection she is getting out of swedish men when looking for a commited relationship !
http://www.thelocal.se/43164/20120911/
Totally congruent... uh? "You reap what you sow"?
Is it dating and f++++++ 6 guys per year a divergent path for a girl looking for monogamous and committed relationship, even in Sweden?