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The Ecuadorian embassies in the United States and Britain have received over 10,000 messages in support of political asylum for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, Ecuadorian authorities announced Tuesday.
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The UK has a very, very controversial extradition treaty with USA which allows easy extradition with little proof or justification. This treaty was signed by Tony Blair in his 'brown-nosing days' with George Bush, and its legality has even been challenged by right-wing conservatives in UK because the USA is using it for all crimes and not just terrorism as it was intended.
Assange is simply trying to avoid a sex conviction and is using his Wikileak fame as smokescreen.
Moreover, I really hope Assange will escape UK to Ecuador in a diplomat bag, as some have proposed. In that tiny space, he might have time to reflect over his persona.
You discuss extradition, but ignore rendition (the illegal kidnapping of citizens and their delivery up to a foreign power). As far as is known, no one has ever been rendered by Britain into the hands of the US, or anyone else. Neither the British police, nor its security forces would contemplate committing such a blatant crime. Sweden however has a track record of doing precisely that - Mohammed Alzery and Mohammed Alzery were both kidnapped from the streets of Stockholm by SÄPO, delivered up to the CIA at Arlanda airport, tortured and then falsely imprisoned for years.
Unlike Britain, the Swedish government does not seem to mind a spot of kidnapping and rendering when it suits them. They have done it before, who is to say they will not do it again? You expect Mr Assange to stake his life that they will not. That is a big ask!
If (as many seem to believe) the US IS set on extraditing Assange from Sweden (if/when he arrives there) then presumably, Ecuador would p1ss off the US big time by offering asylum.
What then, about Ecuador's foreign trade? In 2011 one-third of this was to the USA - thats $10 billion worth and supporting 400,000 jobs in the country,
You assume a freshly rendered Assange will turn up in the US. Why would you think that?
Victims of rendering don't go to the US, and often don't turn up anywhere at all for months or years after they have been kidnapped. When they do turn up, it is in places like Egypt and Uzbekistan, in very poor physical and mental condition. Then they are prosecuted by a kangaroo military court for trumped up visa offences, and thrown in some pit of a jail for years.
Most of the victims of US rendering would find a US trial and US imprisonment (even with Bubba) a rather soft option compared with what they went through and/or are going through now.
How many extraditions have taken place in full public view ?
Taking a step back and looking objectively at the facts (including those uncomfortable for your case) before drawing conclusions might be a useful strategy.
All of them! Do you know of one that has not?
Have you become confused between extradition and rendition again? They are not the same thing.
And what about the women? In the tin foil hat club surrounding Assange it's standard believing that they are either CIA Agents or bought by the CIA. Somehow, they must have a role in the conspiracy.
So why don't the Swedish authorities just come and question him in the UK? Yes, dancing to the pipe of Assange is the only solution. He is not an ordinary man; he is the new Messiah and must be treated that way. Not being under Swedish jurisdiction won't affect an interrogation. No, no of course not. Brilliant. And if the prosecutor decides to go to trial, well, then the trial must be in UK. A few laws will have to be changed, but otherwise it's perfect.
The Ecuadorians surely do not want to upset the USA:
The United States assists Ecuador's economic development. More than 100 U.S. companies are doing business in Ecuador. I'd say he be much more likely to be extradited to USA from Ecuador than from UK or Sweden,
The UK could break of diplomatic relations immediately with Ecuador and then they'd have to leave and we could go in and pick him up.
If Ecuador did grant him asylum then surely many countries would close Ecuadorian Embassys.
However, bottom line.
Just how would he get from the embassy to Ecuador anyway?
Remember Hungary /Nagy/ 1956:
When the revolution was crushed by the Soviet invasion of Hungary, Nagy, was given sanctuary in the Yugoslav Embassy. In spite of a written safe conduct of free passage by János Kádár, on 22 November, Nagy was arrested by the Soviet forces as he was leaving the Yugoslav Embassy
What is this? A "steady stream" of emails from Hugo Chevez and Fidel Castro fan club? Very fashionable.
If the USA wanted Assange he would have been gone long ago.
Assange needs the publicity to keep his "love life" going.
Sweden is not Iraq. They can't just invade and take him at will. They have to do it in a covert way. Why do you think they have rendition? Do you honestly believe Sweden will deny US Assange should he be extradited?
Do I believe that Sweden would honor its extradition treaty with the USA if asked? Of course I do because Assange would not be facing the death penalty. I do not believe that the USA has an interest in going to the trouble of prosecuting him.
Assange is very much alone as a warning to other journalists who wish to expose the or any truth.
Motto being treat us like mushrooms and feed us bullsh*t or you will be jailed perhaps hung
SAPO didn't "kidnap" them, they were taken into custody. You simply use this word because you assume Security Police to always "kidnap" people and never legitimely arrest them.
Many "brainwashed" non- Americans believe that all the poor people in U.S. jails are there because they're not bad and don't deserve to be there, "that's how crazy they are".
> Assange has brought all of that to the surface
Seems to me that misakes happen in war. Americans have made mistakes. Sure. Assange told the world because he managed to get access to the info Americans were sending home. This information was used to improve things so less mistakes would be made.
After Assange leaked it all....
1) In future mistakes will not be written down or explained to those that need to know. - Things will not get better at the same rate. Certain mistakes will be repeated, more civilians will be killed in error.
2) The enemy will use the facts about the mistakes out of context and recruit more terrorists and suicide bombers.
More people will die on both sides. Way to go Assange!
(The above has nothing to do with this case, he is wanted here and the fact its costing money is because he didn't just come over. This has to be followed through because otherwise it makes a mockery of the EAW)..
Never have I known of a case where the complainants put on a party for the perpetrator the next day and, in the second instance, goes shopping the next morning to prepare a sumptious breakfast for him.
Google: "It's Ecuador or Guantanamo" by Pepe Escobar