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A report suggesting a two-year limit to the Swedish for immigrants language programme, (SFI), has got journalist Kajsa Ekis Ekman pondering the potential consequences of this move and just who benefits from new arrivals to Sweden not learning the language.
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It is also a question of social benefits. Students at Sfi get more benefits than students on sas who have to live on student loans. I had neither loans nor benefits when i went to sfi, and thats probably why i was done in 4 months. It is very common for people to abuse the system by staying in school just to get benefits. But what options are there? There are simply not enough jobs in Swede. If you want to work as a cleaner or a personal assistant, you still have to compete with Swede.
If a student cant finish sfi in 2 years, they should be able to get profesional help. But before that, the teachers should be able to tell that a student needs special attention. Hence särvux.
The ever lasting narrow minded opinion that people who move to country X should speak language X doesn't work anymore, we live in a globalized environment where English has simply become the de facto language. Sweden has a large amount of companies operating on a global scale for whom a large reason for that success is simply the fact that everyone in Sweden speaks English. Imagine the room for useful skills instead of learning another language that nobody is going to be good at for the first 3-5 years.
And many people have already proven countless times that you can live in Sweden, have a job, contribute to society and participate in just about all social activities with just English. This language topic is really just a generation barrier that will disappear in the next 10-20 years - better get ahead of the facts and accept them.
People who do not speak job level English shouldn't be given a residency permit altogether. I'm confident nobody would object to that being made an official rule.
If I was trying to learn a new language in a class once a week in a country where the language was not widely spoken I could accept that 2 years would not be enough.
But in the country where the target language is spoken, giving maximum exposure to it, and on a course where you study daily, 2 years is more than enough.
Could Kajsa Ekman kindly explain why "a 19th century English lord" would be remotely interested in whether or not anyone could speak Swedish?
What a lot of fake outrage you have managed to express in this article - best described as a load of twaddle.
Then why have a country called Sweden in the first place?
I have no sympathy for those who live long term in a country and don't have enough simple respect (and the human decency) to learn and use the local language.
And if a person speaks English (even as a second language) Swedish is not hard (unless you're a certified moron).
Learning a language is a very personal skill! I've been to SFI and finished in 6 months. I had colleagues who spoke English as a first language and they still can't say one single correct sentence in Swedish. I also had colleagues from 3rd world countries who barely had any education, but tried hard and finished the course quickly.
And again, it's not only about finishing SFI or higher courses. I met many who finished SFI with high grades and speak awful Swedish or can't even write
What I'm trying to say is, it's hard to judge how learning a new language works for a vast range of people from different cultural and social backgrounds.
If you managed to learn to Swedish in a short time, good job! But that doesn't mean you're a genius and others are stupid!
personally i did sfi in less than a year and because im lazy, im almost done with sas and had to stop because of work.
the problem with sfi is too slow, too soft and dont teach almost anything about western or swedish culture.
having to go to a class where people say "muslims shouldnt marry nonmuslims" while the professor is talking about equal rights just makes my mind blow specially when you cant say anything because you are the only F*kng westerner in the classroom -_-x
Sweden DOES NOT HAVE A RESPONSIBLITY TO EDUCATE THEM! That's a personal responsibility. When you immigrate to another country you most often start at the bottom and work your way up. Sometimes it takes a generation or two. If you can't accept that, then you'd best stay home.
My classmates who did well and completed C and D levels in just 6-8 months are all much younger (recent university grads) and already speak multiple other languages. In my case I am a good 20 years older than them (and therefore no longer in a studying mindset like I was in college in the USA), and also speak no other languages than English, so learning a new one is extremely difficult.
Don't assume that only illiterate, third world refugees need more than 2 years of SFI: I and many other Westerners in my class are also having difficulties.
yes, when you emigrate you must accept your own responsibilities and choices.
when you are a refugee INVITED by sweden to move here it's a different story.
INVITED?? Are you f'ing kidding me? These people APPLY to live in Sweden and are ACCEPTED by Sweden. And what they have not given back to Sweden is far greater than they have given or appear likely to have the potential to give.
to #3, as a native English speaker, there should be no problem to learn Swedish in 2 year at all! Swedish is just a sort of parody to English in some way.
learn german, french,english, spanish.
I had no time whatsoever to start learning Swedish until after I was here for over a year (thereby forfeiting the "SFI Bonus money" since I didn't complete C and/or D within 15 months of arrival).
Two years is an absoluely unrealistic time frame unless you have absolutely no other things going on in your life.
Despite it's low international status, if you live in Sweden long term and choose to not the languge you're an inconsiderate and disrespectful nob, or just plain stupid. You yourself can decide which applies to you.
Sweden is a failed state but fails to admit it. Immigrants should continue to focus on educating their kids in Arabic, Spanish, English...languages that are useful on an international basis.
Sweden is an apartheid state only when the immigrants from 1000 nations band together to outbreed, outspeak, and out produce the slave masters will the revolution be complete.
It is the responsibility of every person of color or ethnic difference living in Sweden to impregnate or be impregnated by an ethnic Swede as to rid the world of this race of xenophobic people for good.
If they import people like you, then no wonder...
And to show you that I have a heart, let me leave you wth this blessing,"may Allah smile upon your every endeavor," (except those involving the use, manufacture or distribution of explosive devises, and the abuse of women, small children and animals, of course).
Also, I find it VERY hard to believe you learned even rudimentary Swedish in just TWO months! The absolute best students in my class (those who already speak 4 or more languages) still need at least 6 months to pass C kurs (and another 2-3 months for D kurs). Stop exaggerating!
i know many people they learnt swedish fluently then they got job to help old people. if somebody wannn help old people then its important to learn swedish. one of my American friend he did his graduation in IT. since 15 years he is living in sweden and he is helping old people.this is benifit for him.
when i was in sweden and i was doing SFI, my SFI teacher did Graduation in Biology she was network tekniker then became SFI teacher interesting combination.
one swede guy he did Master in economics and then he started Phd in software engineering at BTH karlskrona.
this is the study level in sweden,
Having to learn Swedish is just a bad excuse because our immigration politics is wrong. We need to do like Canada and take immigrants with skills that we need and not just take in people that we know are going to cost us money. Offcourse I understand that we also need to take in and help people out of human factors that might not have degrees etc. However doing this we would be able to help and integrate more people as our immigrants would be absorbed quick into labour Sweden. It is the low skilled jobs that are scarce in Sweden and competing with our young. There is a massive gap for skilled people so just wondering why are we then focusing on taking in everyone that does not have the skills?
Older people that are illiterate / coming from a country that uses a different alphabet or people that have serious rl issues going on are the only ones I can imagine needing more time to complete such a basic course.
The problem is that getting a job here with just SFI level Swedish is next to impossible. There aren't enough jobs even for the native Swedes in most areas, so often, people with below average Swedish skills never really have a chance.
SAS helps your skills somewhat, but many immigrants have trouble completing the SAS course. The combination of a big step up in difficulty from SFI and the lack of actual in class time with a teacher makes it much more difficult. Many immigrants that did well in SFI end up failing or quitting SAS.
On top of that there are multiple other problems that prevent most people from quickly learning Swedish or prevent them from ever becoming proficient, even after years of living here. Things like lack of a social circle, the isolating, impersonal culture, the demand for perfect Swedish even at the most basic of jobs, the lack of recognition of education from other countries etc.
The biggest one however, as far as language is concerned, is that many (most?) Swedes insist on speaking (often poor) English to anyone they think is a foreigner, even if that person is now a Swedish citizen, has lived here for years and is speaking to them in Swedish; they think it makes them cool, smart, worldly, whatever.
It's catch-22; immigrants need to be fluent to really integrate into Swedish society, but many are never given the opportunity through work or personal relationships with Swedes to practice the language.
YOU ACTUALLY THINK that SFI is about language? Are you nuts? Did you see the material learned there? Democracy, freedom within law, health, concept of time, concept of standing in line, concept of being quiet and friendly.
It is a course designed for Neanderthals who are dug out from Somali and Sudani villages and is directed to introduce basic concepts of western civilization. Now since one cannot define it like this, EVERYONE has to do the course. There are SFI courses with the length of 3 months for people with education, since it is so easy.
What is not mentioned in the moronic article is that people can receive salary, as long as they are in the "education period", which for some reps of the 3rd world is an excellent source of income. The article does not describe how much it costs. Naïve swedes actually designed the system with a full hope that immigrants will do everything to get introduced to the country as fast as possible, where in fact people get money to learn how to go into toilet for 5-7 years.
What the article ALSO happens to omit is what happens if the SFI is not passed within 2 years. Are the poor little, shell-shocked immigrant babies thrown out of the country? No. They just stop getting huge amounts of money and start getting just big amounts of money.
About time this bull is stopped. Even an idiot should be able to learn that beating a child wife for not having a face cover or raping a woman, who is obviously a hooker, since she wears no head cover and other "cultural perks" is not very acceptable in Sweden in the span of 2 years.
and
AR-US-SE
How much does US pay in salary to those who are waiting for their Green Card, while they are studying English on the expense of tax payers? Isn't a requirement of Green card is knowledge of the English language, which is IMMIGRANT'S responsibility to acquire?
SFI is a golden opportunity to get language lessons for FREE and in some cases get paid for although at times we felt the only ones that were getting paid to be there were the ones who didn't care about learning anything.
Albeit the teachers did a great job helping people from a host of different backgrounds & abilities to get started, for myself SFI was the first regular experience of Swedish culture on my own and outside of home, it was a positive start I am happy to have been there and I made a lot of friends!
SFI is not a difficult school to finish but one needs much more than that to get by in Sweden.
So thanks for the tips guys, maybe I should go to SFI and get paid for being educated...
However I face the following hurdles.
1. The Upplands Vasby commune where I live, did not allow me to join the SFI there. Even after clearing a Swedish course from KTH, I have to take one more exam from some agency located at South Stockholm. By the time I took the exam, the last date for admission to this autumn term was over.
2. Then I inquired KTH to join the classes there. But KTH rejected me since I have already completed my MS and graduated.
3. The last option is to pay and learn at 'Folkuniversitet' etc. The cost and time makes me reluctant to join. I cannot travel to South-central Stockholm during weekdays immediately after the work. It is too stressful and I won't learn a thing.
I am ready to pay, if I cannot attend schools during the weekends.
Swedes are an ethnic group, not a race. Of course, judging by your comment, I wouldn't expect someone with such intellectual ineptitude to know that.
To find employment, good English is a better qualification than Swedish spoken with a foreign accent (by a speaker with a foreign name). Unless you are seeking work delivering newspapers or cleaning.
No, actually. Immigrants to the U.S. aren't required to know a single word of English in order to obtain a Green Card. My first wife was from Ireland and moved to the USA after we got married. I helped her fill out the massive stack of immigration papers and was shocked to learn that all the forms were also available in Spanish, Mandarin and other languages.
If the Green Card applicant wasn't able to understand any of the languages that the INS (Immigration & Naturalization Service) provided the applications in, they were then permitted to have the papers translated to their native tongue as long as it was then notarized to make it official.
Anyway, Swedish isn't a hard language, so people who plan to live there for more than a year should at least be able to learn the basics. It's really not a hard requirement a country could set. Two years is even weaker.
To answer the question "How much Swedish does one need to know to be ready for the labour market?" - as much as you need to do a good job in the area of work you intend to work in. Someone who wants to work in a Swedish call center needs more Swedish than some IT guy in an international working environment... AM I SMART?
38 percent through voice tone and 55 percent via general body language.
Incentivize graduating and not staying.
I think there should be efforts in both sides. The benefits of learning Swedish is not clearly shown to some of the new immigrants. Some are from societies where reading and writing didn't play a role in the life. It should be demonstrated how much reading and writing can be empowering (this is not easy, but I am sure some people can come up with good ideas to motivate and demonstrate benefits of reading and writing.
Second, if fear. Many students, even good ones finish their homework and prepare themselves for exams because of the fear of failure. However, attending or not attending their classes after registering for SFI courses does not seem to have any consequences to many of new immigrants. Very little motivation, with no real consequence for not learning makes teaching extremely difficult, specially for the younger SFI teachers.
On the other hand, if new immigrants look at SFI as an opportunity,a short time offer, a privilege that would be removed after two years, they might try to use that time more carefully. Unfortunately, in many of the war torn countries that source the immigrants, the relationship between people has a child-parent form, not an adult-adult form where people feel they have a responsibility to improve their own life. SFI should not expect that this culture will evaporate and disappear the as soon as someone sets foot in Sweden.
Exactamundo!!!!!
If you import illiterate (or semi-literate) people with no concept of civil society don't be surprised if they don't catch on right away. Aslo reinforce that by not learning Swedish they're making their group look bad (which they are). That kind of collective shaming is far from Swedish ideals but it's how most of the world works.
Also, concentrate on the kids more than the parents (making it clear that sending the kids back to the home country will jeapordize their residency status).
Historically, it's never been adults that assimilate, it's the children. Unfortunately for Sweden lots of current immigrants know that and take active measures to prevent it from happening and the Swedish government lets them.
(1)----It is costly. The state (kommun) pays a lot for that. If one wants to study Swedish in a private schools like "Folk University" - they pay at least 5500SEK per month for five day per week .and does not cover study material btw. check this out http://www.folkuniversitetet.se/Kurser--Utbildningar/Sprakkurser/Svenska_Swedish/Svenska-A1--Swedish-A1/Svenska-A1-fem-dagar-i-veckan/Stockholm/Svenska-A1-fem-gangervecka13/?sr=true But at SFI all is "Offered for free". At SFI most students never come to class --- If you study at SFI you know what I mean. How many of your classmates finish up the level you are same time?
(2)------ If people need to learn something , I mean really want to learn to know. Is it not smart to do it quicker? So you move on with your life and do other things. Please look at this. http://drsaraheaton.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/how-long-does-it-take-to-learn-a-new-language/ if you want to know who plays the role in determining the time to learn a language. Language study and Politics are two different things. They should never be coupled together. Language is a tool. Like the one we use now to communicate. Nothing more or less. Like a "Fork is a device that is used to reach foods and carry them to our mouth."
But the swedish way is different.
Swedish: Do you speak Swedish?
non-swedish: ja, liten.
Swedish: (smiles with a look and thinking that he/she is not what she wants but let him talk since he called) .Ok that is good. shall we proceed with english?
non-swedish: ja, I think it is better so I can understand you better.
Swedish: sorry , but we need you to speak better swedish.
non-swedish: but , you know I am learinig at SFI and level (B stage 1,2,3 ...)
Swedish: sorry, I can't help you (if female). (never encountered a man yet ... but I think it is better)
non-Swedish: but you know ...., I have ......, I did ....
Swedish: Sorry, but I can't help you! (wishing to close the phone asap).
non-Swedish: Thank you! (regerets his/her life ,wished he never called, curse her ...)
Swedish: thank you so much.
non-Swedish: (thinks why the hell she thank me for and says) Thank you, hej då.
That I don't like. But happens everyday when you want something but never when they want from you! If you say but I don't speak Swedish ... It is okey. We have english version of the form... just make sure you be member and pay ..... Funny Cheers/
"Swedish: Ok that is good. shall we proceed with english?
non-swedish: ja, I think it is better so I can understand you better."
IT'S A TRAP!!! Don't fall for it! The more effective answer (in Swedish) is "I'd prefer to continue in Swedish, it's very important for me to use it as much as possible."
This is probably unexpected enough that the Swedish's internal compass is thrown out of whack and maybe, just maybe, might be pointing closer to your direction when the needle stops spinning. It probably won't work but it's better than following the established script which is bound to fail.
Anyway to my point. I do not think you should be granted citizenship until you know the native language in any country. So what if English will or is the global language do you want to lose more of your heritage?! I wonder how long it will be before a child ask their parents what a Swede was? Your country is losing itself, I will learn the language if it takes me the rest of my life. However I plan on seeking nursing at the University because at 42 washing dishes it not for me!
If anything immigrants need to learn the language out of respect for the people who were born here. This is your country makes some claims to it. Who gives a crap if it is democratic can you not be proud because of it?!
By the way the worse thing you can do to an American or english speaking person is speak english. It has been a handicap for me since my flight landed and has held me back. I am just as at fault as everyone else but noe at least I see it and try to stop it. I let them speak english while I continue on in swedish.
Amen! I don't live in Sweden but I figured out very early on that:
a) they can say 'no' in English just fine (and then tune out everything else you might have to say)
b) they are _totally_ unprepared for a foreigner who can speak the local language and who won't take 'no' for an answer (especially through that most hated of question words: "why?" with it's runner up sibling "why not?")
Learning how to push people's buttons in the local language was gravy - a nice skill to have, but not at all needed in the grand scheme of things.
please note: where I live English speakers consider the local (official) language far more difficult than Swedish (first cousin of English).
Second. It's over anyway. Too many foreign immigrants live in Sweden, too many Swedes rely upon English. People will not learn Swedish when they can get by with English. A sad commentary really. The Swedish State has done everything in it's power to destroy the Swedish language and culture, in favor of a lowest common denominator form of globalized English.
The entire argument is moot. Sweden is long past the point of no return. Sweden has made it's decision. In two generations, Swedish school children will only study Swedish as if it were Latin. A part of history that had it's time, but is no longer relevant.
The cost / benefit of learning Swedish is no longer favorable. Swedish cultural power is weak, it has no draw. People in other countries see Swedish art, music, etc. and it is assumed to be American or British. Which is no surprise because that is what the collective culture of Sweden strives for. To be indistinguishable from the globalized anglosphere.
Well put, to add to your comment I have a few points:
Swedes seem to be actively trying to involve themselves in world politics and issues as if they are a major player on the world scene. There seems to be a denial of how small we actually are. In contrast, countries like Latvia or Hungary (Hungary being comparable to Sweden population wise, Latvia being smaller) realize how small they are on the global stage and actively pursue the preservation of their respective culture, heritage and language. Sweden, in contrast is going in the other direction and trying to globalize itself in what I call "The Airport Scenario" where Sweden as a nation, basically resembles any international airport at any point in time (both culturally, demographically and linguistically). Elsewhere in the world, modern day "Airport Scenarios" are places like Toronto, New York, Los Angeles, London or Singapore.
Sweden in short, is trying to turn itself into a London or a Toronto on a national level. And perhaps the saddest thing is we are doing this by choice.
The end result of this, in terms of Swedish as a language (tying back to the point of this article) is that it simply goes the way of Gaelic languages like Irish or Scottish. It gets supplanted for English. Irish schoolchildren today aren't even interested in learning the language of their ancestors. "Why should we learn this difficult language, everybody speaks English anyway?" Of course, they are right, but it is nevertheless a sad reflection of how a country turns its back on its heritage. When language becomes a mere curiosity.
Swedish (and Norwegian too, by the way) both seem to be going the way of Gaelic, which like I said before is sad, really.
With respect to your well formulated argument...
The irony of what you are saying is rather hillarious.
Your argument seems to be that sweden being a smaller nation shouldnt bother trying to be like the bigger nations and should concentrate on defending its own culture and language.
... but that EXACTELY what the xenophobes in sweden accuse immigrants of.
New swedes can and do try until they are blue in the face to fit in and have a social life (a job just pays the bills).
But unfortunately the bigger problem is that old swedes arn't interested in letting them in.
I wasn't necessarily making an argument either way, I was just viewing the situation and trying to compare it with others.
Of course, many immigrants (most immigrants actually) that come to Sweden WILL integrate over time. In some cases it might take a generation or two. However those immigrants who won't integrate will be in the minority.
I would actually go against the tide of what some like the Sweden Democrats suggest and make a bold statement that Swedish culture, language, etc is not actually at risk because of immigrants, it's at risk because of Swedes' attitude themselves.
For example, it's nearly impossible to listen to Swedish radio nowadays without hearing a commentary by a Swede or a discussion by Swedes or a news bulletin, etc without somebody incorporating English words or sentences. There seems to be a desire to appear more "Americanized" (albeit from a more Left-leaning point of view). Foreign Intellectuals, artists, academics, scientists you name it from Thoreau to Service are routinely discussed at the expense of their Swedish counterparts. Based on my experience, people in other countries (excluding the UK) are much less enthusiastically "duktig" to globalize themselves as Swedes are. It is a bizarre concoction to say the least.
Of course, this attitude is more widespread in the urban areas of Svealand and Götaland than in rural Sweden or in places like Norrland and Gotland. Perhaps the latter two will retain their "Swedishness" over time. Of course, back to immigrants, they ARE mostly concentrated in the least "Swedish" parts of the country like urban Svealand for example, so make of it what you will.
"should concentrate on defending its own culture and language.
... but that EXACTELY what the xenophobes in sweden accuse immigrants of."
There is a difference. Swedes in Sweden ARE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!!
Immigrants are not and trying to recreate Iraqi or African conditions in Sweden.... are not.
If Somalis (for example) are happy with the conditions that Somali values have created in their own country then by all means continue those... in Somalia. If you run to Sweden and are being supported by Swedish taxpayers, then, here's a thought! Maybe you need to update your values too.
1. Being born in a country doesn't give you the right to be a bigot!
2. If they have PUT, this is their OWN COUNTRY;)
... oh and by the way... I pay my OWN way in this country thank you very much.
Can you say the same?
i would like some help if possible,i came to sweden to live with my swedish wife,i expect to start Sfi soon and i want to know about it more especially from people that has been there before.i was in arbetsformedlingen trying to get a job but nothing but worse the governement took away a part of my wife salary and i need so much a job and do not know if there is somthing to do to get some help from the governement,please help,i will appreciate it so much.
"Being born in a country doesn't give you the right to be a bigot!"
I wasn't born in Sweden, and unlike you, I'm not a bigot. I, for example, think that traditional ethnic Swedish culture has intrinsic value.
"If they have PUT, this is their OWN COUNTRY;)"
True, if they can't be legally expelled then Sweden is their country (god help sweden... no one else will, especially a large proportion of its current residents)
"oh and by the way... I pay my OWN way in this country thank you very much.
Can you say the same?"
Of course I pay my own way. I'm offended that you think those that criticize PC orthodoxy are leeches! I demand an apology!
2 years of immersion is far more than enough to learn sufficient Swedish to conduct your affairs (shopping, government interaction, etc). I think that's generous, actually.
As for being able to function in English - sure, you can. But you won't be fully participating until you can read the newspaper, listen the radio and watch the TV news....
What "is" going "on" "with" your "use" of "quotation" marks?"
How, exactly, would you you enforce your ban on outside cultural influences? Neighbors spying on what we watch on TV and reporting us to the police? A monitor attached to my radio, so that when I listen to BBC my radio explodes?
A strong culture worth preserving will always survive without needing Kulturpolis.
I am not sure what you mean! i asked a simple question - what is this never ending blabbing of "save our soul" from "other" culture people who live in sweden!!! we live in a globalized world if you accept it or not...what i was trying to point out was even if sweden decides to expel all the "immigrants" to preserve its "UNIQUE"
culture it's still vulnerable to outside cultural influence through tv and other media...
my concern is about every time i see a news about immigration people are real quick to point how a particular group/religions people are forging plans to blow up whole sweden and turn this state into some kind of terrorist state!!! once most of the gang stars in new york were from italian origin does that make it right to deduce that every italians are gang star??
Wouldn't it be sensible to invest in in-demand career skills for immigrants as well as language education? If sweden's going to pay for the immigrant to be in a class, pay for a class that increases that immigrant's chances at getting a job. I know it sounds costly, but if there are growth areas in Sweden, put immigrants to work there. (if possible). At least it would assure that the Swedish taxpayers' money that went to educate an immigrant is going to create consumption sooner rather than later.
I completely agree with you. I think the best ways to learn any language is through interaction with people. I agree that some immigrants are not doing there parts enough to integrate into swedish society. But at the same time one must ponder states action regarding this. Sweden relies too much on "certification"; for example i know people were denied jobs because they did not have D-Kurs certificate or SAS certificate. Is certification enough to learn any language? my experience tells me different. though i agree schooling is required, it should be coupled with work or interaction. And we all know how easy it is to interact with swedish people when you do not speak the language properly ("feeling" extreamly lonely is probably the first experience every immigrants would tell you). Sweden also acts more strictly than required when it comes to language, or else why it would be so difficult to find even a cleaning job without perfect swedish!!! when sweden does not hesitate to pride itself about everybody being able to speak english!!! i sometime feel like, though swedes are good and peaceful people, they walk extra miles to prove how different their culture and country is by erecting these artificial barriers to integration
Once again the anti-Swedes are out in force. Yet the Swedes are your hosts. Show them some respect, or else return to whence you came. Swedish is not an easy language, especially for some tongues, but you gain respect yourself by learning at least the rudiments such that you can communicate.
This situation is the same for all countries, and it is the lazy immigrant that does not learn the language of the country, but expects everything to be served up on a plate, demanding an interpreter! Asylum seekers are are in a category of their own, voluntary immigrants are those to whom this is directed. If you don't want to swim, keep out of the water.
Amidst all this, there is little to no chance of employment - one of the best ways to actually apply and learn the language.
So the problem has many facets to surmount simultaneously. Without a job, money, friends, acceptance - what have you got - societies within societies, ghettos, benefit reliance, resentment, alienation......nothing good.
Getting back to the original topic, is 2 years enough? It wasn't for me, I've since left Sweden because Im skilled and was not relying on Sweden for anything. I may return someday - on holiday. But to live - no way Jose.
some poeple get language easy and some people do not... you have to understand that. Also for immigrants its not tht they have nothing to do except learning the language. they have hundreds of things to get worried about in a foreign country! so take these things in consideration!