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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange thanked Ecuador for its support in a statement from Quito's embassy in London on Sunday and slammed the US, although made no mention of the sex offences allegations he faces in Sweden.
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JA is right on...US, Sweden, Englang and their government greatest fear is exposure of their crimes.
This entire incident is bringing great shame on our country.
the land of the free and home of the brave - ba hahhahhahhahha!
they want JA for exposing who the really are and wont stop until they get him.
try reading 1984.
How do I know this?...because David's kids went to my kids school and David has loose lips after a couple of drinks. He would often cast about various euphemisms for people who held a different political view or opinion. Those are the type of people the us government promotes...small minds filled with hate for anyone or anything they do not believe in.
Wikileaks helps to expose the US for what it is. People are catching on. Dont get caught out in the cold Scotty.
You might be right about not having a government, more like a puppet dictatorship.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Why should the justice system run according to the schedule of a suspect in criminal investigation ?
On another note, this is all rather funny. Wikileaks releases a stack of diplomatic cables, affecting the US government''s relationship with other countries. JA then demands that the US stops attacking Wikileaks !!!?????? You couldn't make this up. Here is a man so convinced that he is right that everyone else (including those whose interests he's damaged) should also see it.
As he's discovering, the world doesn't run according how JA thinks it should.
Ja is charged with nothing, he is wanted only for questioning. And he has offered to submit to that on several occasions.
"please get your facts right before commenting"
England does have a government, its called the london assembly.
Many of you seem to forget that JA was in Sweden and already submited to questioning and no charges were brought...WHY?...because they were probly Bull--it
This is a sensitive diplomatic incident, both the UK and Ecuador have attempted to solve it by allowing investigators access to Assange in London.
In any case, the accusations against Assange are highly suspect. One of the two girls has earlier been paid by a CIA think-tank while working in the USA at the Swedish embassy. The coincidence of two girls from different parts of Sweden randomly meeting as strangers in Stockholm, then discussing their most intimate affairs, to find out they both slept with the same man, is also suspect.
If the Swedish prosecutors had enough evidence to file an arrest warrant, they should have already done it. They should end this charade, either issue a warrant, or cease this politically motivated game.
It is interesting to note how US posters criticize Assange for every crime under the sun and yet advocate freedom of speech....quite hypocritical
Nothing you wrote refutes anything I wrote. Sorry. Read again and try again.
Regarding the probability argument you made about the two girl meeting, this is utterly facile. Try not to be an amateur statistician - your type of flawed reasoning has led to a number of people unfairly sent to prison on the basis of "its too improbable to be coincidence". Probability theory is subtle.
For sticking to the facts.
David Anderson
Perhaps you also need some lectures in the application of basic statistics theory ?
Now let me see if I understand?
If I'll sit down and shut-up, you'll lecture me.sssssss
Sorry
I doubt that you know a theory from a turd.
If I listen to your theory? We would have one fool talking and one fool listening. I don't think I want to be your fool.
Anymore than I want to be the government's fool.
Then why not expose all? Why Sweden is mentioning only J.A has done sexual offence?
There was a girl who came back from Greece and complained that someone raped her and took social money I guess.
There was a girl who told had been raped in summer sports camp site.
How many are true?
I think the girl might just had sex or just knew J.A. Now she needs money.
Please engage in the substance of the argument rather than throwing abuse.
BTW I'm a researcher and my job is the experimental tests and falsification of theories in the physical sciences. Mentioning this is not a dubious appeal to authority - rather a statement that I'm more than familiar with the basics of statistics theory and I therefore (a) will point out when a facile use of probabilistic reasoning is made and (b) am more than happy to discuss any statistical argument from first principles. Please go ahead and make the argument you support.
I'm afraid all this is a messy dark matter and facts are hard to spot here. But if you ask what I believe, I believe all this is orchestrated by the powerful governments and Sweden is acting sadly as a puppet. I think Assange is right. Just an opinion.
In another subject, Rafael Correa's government and other South American governments (like Venezuela's) are famous for their abuses against freedom of speech and bullying the press. I find it quite funny that all of the sudden they are standing in favour of freedom of speech. Double morals? Redemption?
Personally I have many times written or said things I did not really mean because I was acting under the influence of emotions and got carried away, or because I was in a hurry, or because I wanted to create a reaction from the people I was communicating to, or because I was trying to make a joke (probably a stupid one, but that sounded good at the time), or for other reasons...
So I am not a great supporter of wikileaks and I do think it is actually dangerous to leak such information out of context...
However I am also of the opinion that it is people's rights to do so as it is part of freedom of speech. And I think that it is crazy that in countries such as ours governments can stop people from doing so... This is something you would expect from Russia, China our North Korea... Not from Sweden, the UK or from the USA. And what is Australia doing???
I think that it is our freedom of speech that we should fight for and so I think we should support JA.
Sweden is a country that stands for so many good things, I cannot understand that it now is trying to help the US silence JA...
As most people think I believe that the rape accusations are fabricated. Actually it is a disgrace when you think that other women actually have been suffering real rapes and are struggling to convince people that they are telling the truth just because there are people who do not hesitate to make up false accusations like these... Women protection organisations should stand against such fabrications as it is an insult to real victims and makes the life or real victims much more difficult.
No one ever makes an attempt to interview them. I never read editorials calling for these women to come out and set the record straight. How come?
The women know darn well there was no "rape". All that was reported in the police reports was that they wanted him to get a STD test. One of them was even quoted as saying "there was no rape' IN THE POLICE REPORT.
Yet this myth of a rape continues unabated.
So......why don't more people start asking these women to just tell what actually did happen? I find it very strange.
Those who allege sexual assault are afforded anonymity for a number of good reasons. These two have had their anonymity removed and been subject to a vile hate campaign from JA supporters. If that isn't bad enough you now want them to make public statements.
Please, try to understand how a justice system works. Anyone complaining to the police about a possible crime is not then obliged to hold a press conference. If you really want to know what went on then, should it come to a trial, their evidence will be put forward and JA's legal team given the chance to question it. This is the usual way one assesses the guilty or innocence of somebody accused a crime Its often imperfect but is a whole lot better than judgement by website.
The only person stopping a trial (should it come to that ) is JA who refuses to adhere to the Swedish justice system.
If they are lying they are committing both libel and slander.
No one seriously cares a toss about him and Washington will no doubt be having a good laugh.
Judging by today's performance he's little more than a puppet or new toy for the Ecuadorians to play with as they wish.
"Assange is a hero for most of us, true"
....aaand the rest can be omitted. Statistical "truths" are apparently so glaring, that there is no discussion..
Is there no hole this alleged rapist and felon wouldn't crawl into to try and escape being called to account for his actions??
Do you seriously think he is scared of getting like 1 year in luxury prison in Sweden. No, he is scared of getting life in prison in the US.
But my feeling is that the Assange haters really want him to be sent to the US, but they are too scared of telling the truth, and need to hide behind a rape case.
Is it possible there are two separate issues here with an element of truth on both groups takes: 1. that JA IS being pursued by powerful interests in the US who do not share his approach to free speech; 2. that JA is also being pursued by an extremely vigilant Swedish justice system which insists he follow correct judicial procedure by having his case tried on Swedish soil (returning there after new evidence has come to light which warrants the case being reopened - regardless of the veracity of the evidence)?
On the first point, it would seem JA has some grounds to fear the sort of treatment he might receive if extradited to the US. However, he may also have grounds to fear being imprisoned in Sweden if indeed he is guilty of a sex related crime there (and my understanding is that crimes associated with "violating sexual integrity" are some of the strictest in the world in Sweden).
If both are true then even if there is no risk of him being extradited from Sweden (which - and please correct me if I am wrong - I wouldn't have thought would be any easier to achieve than extraditing him from Great Britain), I would think that avoiding possible trail (for "terrorist related activities") in the US might present a convenient cover for avoiding prosecution in Sweden.
I guess the only way of really knowing is if he did stand trial in Sweden. I have some doubts about the straightforwardness of this one though.
"Maybe because he doesn't want life in prison in the US?"
Then he shouldn't have committed any crimes. It really is as simple as that...
Actually Sweden has one of the most lenient laws for rape, and their resolve rate is pathetic. Hence, Sweden also has a very high rape rate, And most prisons in Sweden are quite nice, hence he has nothing to worry about getting a year in prison in Sweden.
ELaimins
Maybe he will hide in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid getting life in prison for something he and the whole South American do not believe is a crime.
An Interesting take. I had always assumed Sweden's definition of rape - extending to any "infringement of another person's 'sexual integrity'" - as the reason for their inordinately high reports of sexual assault (one author claims a four-fold increase in reports since this law/definition was enacted: (http://gwynnedyer.com/2010/the-accusations-against-assange/). That in turn suggested a country more willing to deal with sexual assault - which of course fits with the stereotype of a more progressive society. I'm not Swedish though, nor do I claim much knowledge of the Swedish legal system, so always interesting to hear other points of view (especially given the complexity of this case involving my countryman, which has become inextricably bound to the country of my forebears.)
I am originally from Norway, and in Norway having sex with a woman asleep is rape, just like in Sweden. I also don't think the reporting culture is that different. But the Norwegian rape rate is much lower. Some other people claim it is the immigrants, but I think the main factor is their low resolve rate. There are not that many rapists, so if you catch some then you reduce the amount substantially,
In Sweden there was 6532 reported rapes in 2011, but only 152 got sent to prison for rape. Also, about half of them will get very short sentences of a year or so. There is no reason Assange should be scared of going to prison in Sweden.
Also, to another point you made. The reason it is easier in Sweden is not really due to the law system. Although, due to its simple nature it is easier to get things done. It is because they can detain him in Sweden, so he can't run off to an embassy when US ask for extradition.
The other thing is the nomenclature at work reveals bias. Rape is a horrific crime and an early morning snuggle after sex the night before does not even come close to what the word rape communicates. Do people insist on using that word with respect to JA because their motive has nothing to do with fairness or clarity?
There IS a grand jury convened in the USA to press charges against JA. As soon as he's in hands friendly to the USA prosecutors one can be sure a "verdict" will be forthcoming.
Where there's smoke there's fire.
Disappointing the Swedish judicial system does not appear as effective as I'd imagined. If did seem far more organized and law abiding than what I see in Australia. Distant fields?
Anyway, given this apparent reality, perhaps the prosecutor is now trying to project an image of a more vigilant Swedish legal system by seeking to try someone high profile like JA? Seems more logical to me than this supposed plot to extradite him on other charges (which should already have happened based on a 2003 UK-US suspect transfer agreement).
I do believe the prosecutor is aiming to punish him as people do take rape charges seriously.
But why aren't they doing anything about their high rape rate, and their low resolve rate. The problem is that Sweden don't want to admit they have a problem, and they are terrified of making the anti-immigration party, Sweden Democrats stronger as immigrants is clearly overrepresented. Hence, they don't want to talk about their rape problems.
But Swedes do take rapes seriously, so I do think people want to get justice for Assange. However, US also see that as an opportunity to extradite him to the US, and top politicans in Sweden agree.
He wont stay in the Embasy much longer anyway. HIs whole 'being' is built on his image and that of his need to announce to the world just how awful everyone is and just how everyone - notably the US and other western nations - that there is some great conspiracy (and perhaps there is...!), so he'll walk soon.
Perhap Equador needs to consider what it is doing by letting a person who has claimed asylum make speeches in this manner. Remember, whether its true or not his allegation is of sexual assault, nothing more at this stage.
Plus you can get all the support you need from your South Amercian 'friends' at the minute Equador, but there is no benefit for you doing this - only your plank of a dictator who is in this for his own political reasons.
individuals: without evidence; and without criminal involvement; may be detained and interrogated by Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO); disclosing that an individual has been so detained or interrogated is a crime.
thats just the tip of the ice berg. check wikipedia for australian anti terrorism act 2005 and get very scared.
how about a quick trip to turkey so they can do the torturing for you?
yes JA should rightfully be very afraid of our western democratic governments. everyone should. Absolutely the rape accusations are a smoke screen to get him out into the open.
I also think it is ironic.
You should perhaps choose a different username.
Where is the evidence that the UK diplomatic staff would be placed under house arrest ? What expertise do you have in the field of diplomatic relations to make such a claim ?
Sounds to me that you're making things up.
The Ecuadorian government has threatened 'severe consequences'.
The British are on the brink of revoking diplomatic status for the premises of the Ecuadorian embassy, to unilaterally ignore the 1961 Vienna convention on the inviolability of diplomatic presmises, to utterly ignore Ecuadorian sovereignty, and to apprehend someone from within that embassy who has been granted immunity by Ecuador, and then hand him over to Sweden without a guarantee that the Swedes will not send him to the USA.
Importantly, Sweden is a nation that has previously handed over two Egyptian suspects to the CIA without due process.
Why house arrest of the UK ambassador? South Americans are known for symmetric responses. After the US imposed mandatory fingerprinting and photographs of all visitng foreigners, the Brazilians imposed that step on all visiting Americans, but on no one else.
Garcon, the Spanish lawyer who issued the international arrest warrant for Pinnochet while he was visiting the UK several years ago, is now leading Assange's defense team, and this alone lends a lot of credibility to Assange's defense, particularly in the Spanish speaking world, and on the South American continent in particular, and this is true whether you or I personally hate Assange or consider him a hero.
I am not ADVOCATING the response of placing the UK ambassador under house arrest, I am merely suggesting that, given all of the above, house arrest of the UK ambassador is not a wildly unreasonable possibility, even if only as a worst case diplomatic scenario.
"Perhaps the Aussies need to pipe up with something - hes one of yours after all."
From what I can gauge (in local newspaper editorials etc) there seems to be considerable support for JA within Australia, and disappointment he is not receiving more diplomatic support. The problem is, both sides of politics here (the conservative "Liberal" opposition and the once liberal Labor government) seem to be heavily influenced by more powerful governments (like the US).
smilingjack
This dovetails with what you were saying smilingjack - about the laws in Australia following the American model in a number of respects. I am no legal expert but we do seem to have a number of laws (e.g. a law which enabled indefinite detention of one of our own nationals in Guantanomo Bay) which follow in step with the US.
And it would seem from what a number of others are saying hre that Sweden may not be immune from this influence. I had been under the impression (courtesy of foreign affairs writers like Gwynne Dyer who's opinion I respect: http://gwynnedyer.com/2010/the-accusations-against-assange/) that Sweden's desire to try JA was perhaps a separate matter; and one being used as a smokescreen by JA's defense team. I am no longer so sure.
Of the Nordic nations it is number 1 on fundamental legal rights. And they are 1 of 66 nations on that same index.
Assange is either being paranoiac disillusioned, or trying to rehabilitate his image.
Even if the accusations in Sweden are proven true in a court of law, Assange will recover.
His refusal to maturely address the accusations has damaged his reputations. This would be made worse if his is convicted. A conviction will only damage any political ambitions.
Assange is playing with his future.
I just wish to reiterate the most important thing that has been stated in many entries: he has not been formally charged with any offence, criminal or otherwise. That alone is all the information needed to make a judgement as to the merits of the attempt to extradite him.
I find nothing in the TL terms that bans criticizing a writer for sloppy journalism
Sweden's 'reinterpretation' of the Mutual Legal Assistance (MLA, a common legal practice in the European Union. It is an agreement between two countries to help cooperation during investigation of alleged crimes. The EU's website states "mutual legal assistance and agreements on extradition are essential for the EU in order to achieve a European area of justice".
The Swedish prosecution has requested Julian Assange's extradition for the purpose of questioning on allegations of sexual misconduct. He is yet to be formally charged with an offense.
Since his arrest, Mr Assange has offered himself to be questioned under the MLA practices, by telephone, video conference, or in person. He continues to retain this offer, even during his current stay at the Ecuadorian Embassy as he awaits a decision on his application for asylum. The Ecuadorians have agreed to letting the Swedish prosecution come to the Embassy to question him.
WikiLeaks' legal adviser Jennifer Robinson met with Sweden's Minister for Foreign Affairs Carl Bildt on July 5 during Almedalen Week, a political conference in Gotland. She discussed with him the allegations against Julian Assange and why Sweden has refused to question him over the past 18 months.
He told me it's not allowed. And when I pointed out that Sweden had only recently done just that in a murder investigation in Serbia, he had no reply.
Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny made similar statements in 2010, saying that Swedish Law prevents Mr Assange being interviewed by telephone or video link, and that both Swedish and British law prevent her from traveling to London to question Mr Assange. Many of the articles containing the latter statement were later removed.
Since Julian Assange has not been formally charged, he does not have the rights of a defendant, i.e. access to the full accusations against him or any of the evidence. Could the fact that he only faces allegations affect the use of MLA law?
The guidelines for getting Mutual Legal Assistance from the UK state the contrary.
In the section entitled "What must be included in a Letter of Request" it states:
A description of the offences charged or under investigation and sentence or penalty
Furthermore, in an "Example Letter of Request" it states:
Supply information on the charge or proposed charge.
A full page of the document is also dedicated to the information needed to request a telephone or video conference call, which includes an address, a possible list of questions, and any formal notification of rights.
Neither Carl Bildt nor Marianne Ny would explain how or why it is illegal under Swedish law to question Mr Assange via telephone, video conference, or in person. With no explanation on their behalf, the EU promoting the use of Mutual Legal Assistance, and a document explaining how to achieve information this way, it opens the door for speculation as to why Sweden refuses to question Mr Assange.
Source: Guess!
@Nomark you cant get any blinder, so maybe you should be happy, because things can only get better from now on.
Assange for the Nobel prize for freedom of the press:
www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Julian_Assange_for_Nobel_prize_Freedom_of_the_Press/
Lets see how "Noble" the Norwegians and their righteous Swede neighbors are or claim to be, since they offered Obama the Nobel peace prize!
Julian Assange will be nominated for the Nobel peace prize many times, but he will never get the prize. He is undeserving.