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"Ban Islam in Sweden and deport those who persist in believing in the religion", said Pär Norling, group leader of the Sweden Democrats (SD) in Bollnäs, in an interview with national broadcaster Sveriges Television (SVT).
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What you can do is stop giving it government recognition and start telling the truth about how violent and twisted its "profit" was and therefore became the seeds for the violence and immorality inherent in this religion. There are a lot of people, including its followers, who would be shocked by what they learn.
It is not a culture that fits in well with the Swedish culture and should not be given any support.
RIP Neil Armstrong, thank you for being the first!
about the politicians remark, both of them are looking for names and just catching others attention. western culture + islam=incompatable? thats wrong. it works well in england and U.S, why not in sweden? infact it works even better considering how respectful many swedes are.
somali are being chased by few racists, but many swedes realise how pure-hearted they are. you never so many cases about them all over the country. give us peace. let us enjoy the world like you guys do. you can't worship and tell us not to worship. religion is part of our life.
What is NOT FITTING THE CULTURE BS ? Many sweds are now moving to china, india and few other countries. Their culture does not match the culture of new countries. Many of them even try to change other countries culture by becoming RIGHTS ACTIVISTS and speaking against the govt policies. Should all of the sweds be deported as well ? No! Only trouble makers!!!
Why is it so hard to hit hard on the criminals or the Jihadis? Just because the intelligence services of sweden are becoming weaker, unprepared, the police is losing its professionalism, doesn't mean that ALL BE DEPORTED should be taken as a decision!
Seriously, do you live in this world or world of dreams. Please get your facts straight, nothing of that sort ever happened and Armstrong was never a muslim. Can you please check type of his funeral??
Still it saddens me that every single swedish newssource blows up about what some lesser known local politician in SD has said, that would not happen to any other political party and once again shows how unobjective swedish media has become.
' Islam teaches the truth, shows you the right way and is the only option .....'
Yeah right? And where is this truth? In some silly book that talks about a man talking to burning bushes, talking snakes, splitting moons etc?
And what is this 'right way', you talk about? What the books says?
an option to what??
Don't tell me, the books says it, and it is the word of some fairy in the sky. The book it self is flawed...And using that book to prove its authenticity is like a rapist using a condom to prove his innocence!!!
Get off the cloud man....look for the real truth and not some belief.
It's like a constant teaser or kind of harassment that we Muslims have to face. I don't know what the problem here is. At one side the picture seems to be very beautiful, no discrimination, equality for all and then again we see such kind of statements prospering.
May be it's because of the character of a Muslim itself who are not practicing Islam in it's true sense.
@Ranjit T Edward:
You should respect each other's belief. Nobody is forcing you to believe in Islam. Maybe you think that the people who believe in it are insane or mad. But if you don't respect them then you will fall into the same category of insanity.
@ Erefus and truthworthy:
Thanks for the comments and the support. It is really appreciated. :)
Open nazism is and SHOULD be banned everywhere, since in it's core it cannot be "moderate", however the same rule should be applied to EVERY ideology that agrees to stop ONLY when the entire world submits to it, that is promoting elimination of nations, that is promoting execution of sexual minorities, that limits the rights of those, who still happen not to submit to it.
The same rule should apply to those who consider children as a feasible sexual "material" available for trade, for those who consider a female as a sub-human and those who declare any opposition to their ideology as "blasphemy" worthy of death sentence. The same rule of non-tolerance should apply to every ideology that opposes democracy in it's core, has specific rules for SLAVE TRADE, separates casts on the basis of religion and ethnicity on governmental level and does not have anything against girl mutilation.
Now, one could easily call apartheid ideas and nazism a "religion". It would not mean that one would get closer to God...
Then alot of the most unsavoury immigrants would go home. And us swedes whould no longer feel that we are bankrolling our own extermination, working long hours so that the colonists can stay at home and have all the time in the world to raise ten kids each on our money. Laisse faire capitalism is the best soloution to a very dangerous situation.
Islam is the fastest is growing religion on the face of earth. Nobody can BAN Islam!
These guys need to educate themselves and learn about the meaning of Islam.
How beautiful is the meaning of Islam:
Surrender
This is understood from a verse in the Holy Quran
where Allah says:
"Inda deena inda lahi Islam." (Certainly, the only acceptable way which Allah will accept is Islam).
[Holy Quran 3:19]
This submission requires a fully conscious and willing effort to submit to the one Almighty God
One word (Islam) and has 5 beautiful meanings:
Surrender
Submission
Obedience
Sincerity & Purity of Intention
Peace
in USA alone there are over 2 millions Muslims converts. They are scientist, doctors , Engineers, Church fathers, Nuns and counting.
Islam is beautiful, the problem these days in Europe is not Islam, it is the economy which has made many frustrated and they yell at muslims for every failure... A time would soon come that European would start immigrating to Asia and Muslim countries for better job and life :)
anyway a Guy with good education and good job would not talk so none sense to media.
Religion, on the face of it, has been and is being the constant cause of conflict in one way or another. And yet so many appear to have the same God in this or that form. Not forgetting, either, those who say they do not have a god. They also complain, or are complained against.
And if there is a God, looking down upon mankind, The poor being must wonder what is happening here on earth. Everyone fighting against someone else has 'God on their side' or something, so that there must be a terrible need for Aspirin somewhere to ease the headaches being caused by all the minions fighting one another - in the same god's name.
Religion and fight for power. Never-ending. These columns are evidence of that fact.
Think about that old humorous alphabet:-
A for 'orses (Hay for Horses)
B for mutton (Beef or mutton)
C for . . . (Seaforth Highlanders)
:: down to . .
O for Peace Oh! For peace.
Chamberlain spoke of "Peace in our time" back in 1939, but I fear he was just a little bit premature . . Or optimistic. Utopia does not, nor ever will exist on earth, not while there are people here.
good luck
Seems this is a case of "the only winning move is not to play" which means moving abroad.
How come the local or any Swedish news paper does not have any news reports on the attack on Rudolf Moilanen? There appeared a brief article here and there, but every effort seemed to be made to forget this case as soon as possible. Rudolf was on his way home at night. He was sitting alone in a bus station in Jordbro outside of Stockholm (I believe that is where it is located), several men arrived at the bus station who spoke with each other. First they beat Rudolf unconscious. Then they poured fuel on his body, and lit it on fire. Then, they kicked his body down a hill.
Miraculously, Rudolf has woken up, and is alive, but will be injured for life. In the hospital he could give some details about the event. Just the other day, a Somali youth was arrested as a prime suspect in the crime.
I just recently learned that there now will be a demonstration for the Somalis, largely by Swedes. A manifestation against racism.
But, say -- who will demonstrate for Rudolf?
@Swedishmyth
I have a friend who sells real estate in Green Bay, He says there is a flood of Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, and Danes who are buying up townhouses, and acreage all over Wisconsin, North and South Dakota, Idaho, and Michigan. Looks like it might be time to get out of Dodge!
You were so wonderful when you were young.
"in USA alone there are over 2 millions Muslims converts. They are scientist, doctors , Engineers, Church fathers, Nuns and counting. "
"CAIR chairman Nihad Awad told the Saudi paper 'Ukaz that "34,000 Americans have converted to Islam following the events of September 11, and this is the highest rate reached in the U.S. since Islam arrived there."(2)
There are 2.5,000,000 muslims im America, over 60% are immigrants, and a large percentage of the rest are the children born to those immigrants since their arrival.
" 2,000,000 muslim converts in America"?
Looking forward to your next fairy tale.
"Surrender,Submission,Obedience,Sincerity & Purity of Intention,Peace"
There is not ONE religion with which islam is not at war. Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Hindu and polytheists in Africa. There is not ONE democratic islamic country. Out of your few Nobel Prize one is scientist. The rest were writing mostly against islamic oppression and are searched to be executed. Not in ONE country (or autonomy) dominated by "religion of peace" do women enjoy equal rights. Not ONE accepts homosexuality as one's freedom.
You are trading slaves, oppressing the few remaining dhimmies, selling your daughters on the open market. You are allowing torture in your legal systems. You have made rape non-proveable under any rape circumstances. You educate your children on nazi books in the SCHOOLS. You hide behind the sentence that you cannot kill innocents, but you forget to mention that not only all non-muslims are not innocent by definition, sunni are guilty in the eyes of shia and vice versa! By that making EVERYONE a viable target. Point at ONE country that had an economic/educational/health/freedoms increase after it was invaded by islam. ONE. Seems that if Allah's blessing is upon all who accept him in his heart, you, a full billion, are definitely doing something wrong. And finally, the only opposition that your people are offer against the above, is an opposition to SECULAR regimes. Therefore your masses AGREE with the medieval life described above.
And these are the legal, parliamentary and historical FACTS from your countries with muslim majority. I did not even touch the "extremists".
As for the spreading of your ideology, nazism was spreading even faster. It had quite a few supporters gained within some 20 years, so I would not be so proud in your doubtful statistics.
of the tunnel,you wonder where to go in or not though there were reports and also
reminders about " people getting lost or harmed especially females " when they
entered the tunnel.So,if you still wanted to go in ,nobody can help you once you are
inside.?
Which part of my statement was disrespectful? For asking for the truth? Do you realise that when one claims that a mythological fairy tale it true, it is utterly disrespectful to the intelligence of those who live their lives in a non-deluded
style.
Remember, respect is what you earn...not on what you believe.
@Children Of Adam:
Contrary to you and lots of Muslims claim, Islam is NOT the fastest growing religion in the United States, and quoting news broadcasters and politicians does not make it true.
The facts are well placed before you by @bcberry
'There are 2.5,000,000 muslims im America, over 60% are immigrants, and a large percentage of the rest are the children born to those immigrants since their arrival.'
The fastest growing beliefs in order of change is given below (Source:ARIS) 1. 1.Deist +717%
2.Sikhism +338%
3.New Age +240%
4.Hinduism +237%
5.Baha'i +200%
6.Buddhism +170%
7.Native American Religion +119%
8.Nonreligious/Secular +110%
9.Islam +109%
Furthermore, your so called 'growth of Islam' will drastically change if you stop multiplying like rabbits!!!
there is a reason religious groups want private education and that is so they can brainwash the kids early on. make sure every child in the country gets the same education - ie scientifically proven not fantasy (fantasy - thats every religion ) and get them thinking freely. its no coincidence in australia that the most affluent suburbs are also the ones with the highest levels of education and highest levels of atheism. atheism is the fastest growing belief in australia. woo hoo. funny how as kids got access to the internet and the truth they realised what a crock of sh£t they had been told by religion.
I love this quote from a child to a priest " so joseph went away for awhile and came back and his wife was pregnant - but not to him - um um god did it" uh huh? of course there is always the standard across all religions of if you follow us you go to heaven and if you dont you go to hell. see pearly gates, a bunch of virgins etc etc .
Anyone who does so will, over time, assume all the traits a passive aggressive personality entails.
And all the negatives that come with that is why you see Islam being in conflict with itself, everyone else as well as prosperity, progress and a peaceful future.
There is nothing much more to say on the subject. Once upon a time Catholics were also aflicted by the same, but through Luther and other "revolutions" people adopted a more critical stance towards not just Christianity but all religion.
The wealthfare state has however unsettled this happy circumstance. People suffer under a massive tax regime, foisting upon them to live like welfare slavery, either by getting jobs that pay nothing or a sofa job that pays more but leads to an idle mind easy to suck into any type of religion that comes around.
The reason of Sweden's strong economy is that system. Unfortunately all media is controlled my so called non Muslims and they show the people what they want and do lot of propaganda against the Muslims.
Religion is basically set of rules to make a system to live, it is applicable to individual as well to whole society. Living a life without religion is like animal life animal has no rules, animal kill each other, do sex forcefully and others.
If you do research everything in this world is running on some rules and systematic defined way if it will not it called a catastrophic. For example there are 365 days in a year if it is more then its called something else, sun rise from east and set in west. Our whole solar system and all things in this world is running on some rules same as religion is giving you some rule to live a happy life as human.
Now its up to you where you get the truth. If you do research Islam is most truthful religion proven by lot of scientist and extra ordinary people.
As Muslim or non Muslim if he/she do something wrong in system we as Muslim condemn them and they should be punished and nobody have right to blame Islam, Islam is not teaching this, its your own dumm mind trained by media or your devil inside.
That guy from that party is trying to spread hatred, overall most of the Swedes are very near to Islam (Honest, truthful, respect and get respect and more good habits that what Islam also teaches.) only few big bad things which are now facing their self, alcoholism, without marriage sex and so on. They are not giving ads to newspapers for new generation to less use of alcohol because they are facing the effect of that now.
Sweden is not running any system remotely similar to Islam.
Islam for centuries ran a system of no-tax for belivevers and heavy taxation for non-believers. Islam does not allow interest. It eats itself from within. Plunder is the only fuel by which it can propagate itself with, so, when the natural borders of countries who had embraced Islam had spread the most and logistics went negative, Islam could not spread any further.
Islam, before the advent of oil was totally bankrupt and was in the final decline. If oil had not saved it, it would have disappeared off the map.
US is not that much better. There are those stupid fundamentalist so-called Christian such as the infamous Todd Akin, who believes that a woman could not get pregnant if it's a legitimate rape. As you see, any type of extremism is the source of the evil and needs to be banned.
Having said that, religion seems to be the source of all conflicts and wars. People should stop imposing their religious believes upon others. They can believe whatever they want as long as they don't think that other have to believe in the same religion. So, people who impose religious believes upon other non-believers need to be deported, in my opinions.
Atheists never cause any harm. It's always those religious fundamentalists that carry out the evil deed and discriminate others all in the name of their "god".
You also need to do home work like politician, you don't know Islamic rule and history and just bragging like this and providing misconception to the other people same people like you are sitting on the media doing misconception and propaganda. Go for a research and find what are similarities in Islamic and Sweden social state system.
Your oil history and statistic is also wrong, oil never helped Muslims, that is property of few Muslims not whole Muslims and that is also a cause of problem created by all western countries because are hungry for oil and creating so dirty games with those Muslim countries. What USA did with Iraq, in Libya and there disturbance in Saudi Arabia, then that USA sold you that oil on bigger prices.
The people who are doing bad deed using label of Muslim are away from Islam and don't know or forgot the teaching of Islam, so punish them but don't blame Islam. If we started blaming like this to Non Muslims the people will not find the place to hide. Its very simple if a Swede do bad thing I can't blame whole Swede community as my research, knowledge and experience is totally opposite same the case is with Islam.
So people please open your mind and find out the truth. We are here to love this country and
add to economy of this country, because this country allow us to peacefully practice our religion and providing a very good system which is very near to Islamic System.
When ever time will come we will not left behind to use our life on this country.
Thanks!
catholics and christians. christians are the only religion that wants to convert everyone - their sole purpose in life.
taxalien your speaking rubbish. see crusades 1 through 50.
not that I would rate islam above any other religion. they are all for fools.
Already *IF* one wishes to legally worship God it is our legally defined Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ. This can be done from a Christian Church only.
The Swedish Flag is designed from an apparition of a burning cross of Christ in a blue sky seen by King Eric the Holy in 12th century
Time for the Tax offices to stop considering charlatans (those that do not recognize as part of their doctrine our Holy Trinity) as a religion this includes not only Islam but Scientology, Jehovah Witness's, Buddhists, Hindu, Sikh etc
Example of Islam is Syria right now being a "normal" outcome of Islam which is actually violent political process not a religion at all.
Until Sweden and United Nation address Islam as the problem nothing will change! Hasn't since 700 AD around the time Islam began and started it's domination by conquests, which are still by surprise attacks killing for killings sake.
Once the violence is over the Moslem refugees that flee the horror Islam always create are only welcomed by Nations with a Christian history and a culture of compassion. Something devoid of in Islamic controlled countries
The fact of the matter is Sweden looks set to have a large Muslim minority over the next few decades and nobody other than the Sweden Democrats want to talk about it. Interesting, isn't it?
Of course, most Swedish Muslims live in urban Svealand and Götaland so perhaps Pär Norling should consider forming a Norrland Independence Party and advocate a separate, nationalist and socially conservative Norrland from the socialist, Feminist and leftist south. Perhaps then everybody would be happy? :)
You are right to some extent. But you again misunderstood religion is never saying to them to do or its not in religion. They their self doing this extremism or terrorism. If they belong to some religion you can't blame to religion without knowing that religion is claiming that thing or not and they should get double punishment even because they are using the name religion which disturb to other people who are practicing religion peacefully.
Atheists are really strange and understandable and they are angel. If you don't have religion you don't have rules so everything is right for you even its bad or good. Everything in this world is running on some rules and defined system everything is saying that there is someone who is running us that is god and they just finish by saying "everything is happening itself." :) what is science ? actually science is find out rules and reason how everything is going in this world. So science is giving the system or rules behind anything but still not able to answer who is doing this because human don't have power to find out God rather he can find out his creatures.
People are accepting Islam even on the streets to their home. You may check the videos DawahisEasy in youtube and see how people are accepting Islam.
You would very naive to judge Islam without reading it.
You should start reading about Islam by reading Quran in your own translation maybe here Quran. com and see what really Islam is about.
I know why some of guys are angry at Islam because the action some of groups who mostly target Muslims than non-muslim, as you can see in the news Muslims are dying and suffering more by the hand of these terrorists.
I wish peace to Sweden and other countries , wish them to be safe from the B52 Bombers, cruise missiles, suicide bombers and invaders! Ameen
After all we are children of Adam ;)
However, this should be taken much further: religion in general should be shunned.
There is no room for such brainwashing in the 21st century. The thought restrictions and other resources that religions require are slowing us down as a species, and often pushing us in reverse. The books of the major monotheistic religions are all full of hate and violence reflecting basic tribal instincts. We are at a time mankind needs to move beyond these.
I've read much of the Quaran translated into a few languages: to say that the book is full of good is being disingenuous. Check the punishments for apostasy, adultery, and homesexuality.
Most religious books are really nuts. I know some Mormons. They're smart guys, but they got brainwashed at birth.
I wish we could find a way to forbid teaching religion (and genital mutilation of all forms) to anybody under the age of 21.
Bring Sweden back why are you letting your country be taken vote if you are afraid to do nothing esle.
By the way, isn't very strange that SD members and their supporters show the least Swedish behviour among Swedes?!! They complain why X and Y doesn't match to Swedish society while their behaviour and beliefs are extremely uncommon and weird among Swedes!!!
Currently there are only the adherents of ONE entity that are still calling for extermination of the aforementioned adherents, or the adherents of any religion for that matter, and it's not the SD.
2. The worst mistake Sweden will make is to ban islam.
3. I hope we will realise sooner or later that it is impossible to stop a relgion by force. The more the persecution the stronger d relgion becomes.
4. What are we going to do about the mother of lady that was arrested in Paskistan. She us white swedish. Should we deport her too?
5. A ban on islam in sweden will become the launch pad for terrorism on a large scale.
6. That is why we should send sd to oblivion. They are opportunists and thinkk the only problem of sweden is islam and immigration. This shallow thinking.
7. Sweden should embrace her own culture and religious values. Let us not be jealous of those who are proud of theirs no matter how primitive it may be. They have a change of heart when they see that our own is better.
Allowing them to grow to 10% will create swedistan !
Iraniboy, I think you need to take a look at how religious minorities are treated in EVERY Muslim-dominated country (i.e. Saudi Arabia and Egypt among others). For every 1 Hitler that Europe has produced there are tens of thousands of Muslims with the idea of destroying the West.
===2. The worst mistake Sweden will make is to ban islam.===
Ha! On it's face, banning Islam would be the BEST thing Sweden could do. However, banning any religion in a modern, democratized country is just not the right thing to do and would never happen. It's not like Sweden is some primitive Muslim country where they burn churches or stone people for adultery.
If Sweden MUST accept refugees/asylums seekers from the MENA countries then they should only accept women or religious minorities. Muslim men have no need for asylum in the Western world. It's already proven to be a disaster. And indeed, there is no guarantee that Christians from these countries can behave themselves either as we see in Södertälje with all of the criminal gangs. So maybe taking in only women from these countries is the solution, as they are the ones who REALLY suffer under Islam-dominated countries.
==2014 is going to be a great year for SD.==
Agreed. Recently a poll came out where 57% of Swedes feel that SD has the best immigration policy of all of the parties. As we see the rape and violent crime statistics pile up, we will see more support for SD. That is the truth.
@ rod much. I hope u read the disaster Greece wanted to cause by voting racist party but quickly changed their mind in the re run election wen thy realised their mistake. I am sure ppl will be smart in the next election. I could have asked for a bet but i dont bet. Wait and see. Those terrorists are ready to die for wat they believe in unlike that thea pen terrorist dat only hide behind a computer to attack. A ban will just be an exercise in futility. Makin ridicoulos statements like this is a campaign strategy for SD. It has now become a pattern to arouse religious or racial tension to win ppl like @rod
is the Party to watch in 2014 and not only that " it should be the Party that all natives
Swedish should give their votes because " it is the only Party in Sweden which
really cares for her people's future " if the past was good then Sweden Democrat
wouldn't be in the scene today.Keep up the goodwork,Jimme Akesson.
Whether he is a believer or an infidel here's something for him to think about:
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=114
Are you looking for me?
Are you looking for me? I am in the next seat.
My shoulder is against yours.
you will not find me in the stupas, not in Indian shrine
rooms, nor in synagogues, nor in cathedrals:
not in masses, nor kirtans, not in legs winding
around your own neck, nor ineating nothing but
vegetables.
When you really look for me, you will see me
instantly --
you will find me in the tiniest house of time.
Kabir says: Student, tell me, what is God?
He is the breath inside the breath.
~Kabir
We cannot base current and future morality on old books written by uneducated people, though well they might have meant. Singling out Islam however is a bit harsh.
Allow muslims to choose any religion they wish to. Any family or mullah coercing them to live under brutal cage of islam should be deported.
Tell them to be european than muslim. If they want to be 1st muslim, then give then deport them to 53 islamic country.
Sadly arabs dont take inferior muslims!!
Uproot the problem before it goes wild.
Iranian Atheist
where to start
ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
you drongo. go read some fiction and put down the fairy tales.
christianity = compassion hahahahahahahahah
google bob hale and the crusades or abu ghraib or just look at the USA.
your a complete fool.
I am sure thgat when you have properly studied this ghastly cult of Muhammad, you will come to realise that Islam is a far, far greater threat to the well-being of mankind than Fascism and Communism ever were.
You cant BAN a religion any more than you can blame millions of Muslims for what a misguided few preach.
Islam preaches peace,so im told....never having read the Koran.
How can you deport all the followers of a recognised religion,and on what grounds. Theres no doubt millions of Muslims who are born and bred Swedes,never done a thing against Sweden,or any other country,most likely never will, what are you going to deport then for.......come on Mr Norling....maybe the Swedish Imagration service should do Sweden a favour and deport you,and your fanatical friends,before you really start trouble that no one else wants.
Maybe approach NASA....they are keen to explore Mars.....volunteer the likes of you Mr Norling,and some of your friends to explore Mars......be the first official members of the Martian Nazi Party.......not sure what Martian for ` seig heil` is...you could find out on your way.
As for what you do in the meantime......resign seems to spring to mind. I know what i`d like to do with your kind, Hitler was fond of shooting people only problem is with you.....are you worth the cost of 2 rounds of ammunician.....I doubt it.
To the Swedish media,i would just say...ignore this idiot,he wants publicity and media attention,so why give him it.
You should look into what is in the koran.
For starters, google,
"Intolerance in the quran"
And,
The quran's Verses of Violence"