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New details have emerged about the types of harassment suffered by members of the Somali community in Forserum in south central Sweden, with integration minister Erik Ullenhag upbraiding local politicians for trying to belittle the problem.
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You won't see the end of racism in Sweden until welfare immigration and government toleration of violent crime are both abolished.
Consultation and compromise has always been the Swedish way.
Sweden is a country with a native populace smaller than that of the city of Los Angeles. For it to act as the world's grandest martyr for the sake of refugees (and let's be real about the actual proportion of refugees to immigrants) is collective suicide.
The solution is to stop treating the Swedish people and the products of their work as a free meal for the whole of the third world.
Their misfortune is to have left one of the world's trouble spots for another. Instead of finding safety they have been met with violence and,a at best, the indifference of the local police.
Do you know 3 out of 5 converts to Islam are women. More women are accepting Islam than men. I would give you the home work to find out why.
WHY SOMALI are targeted: one is because they are black and two is because they are Islam. but we dont give a *care* about that.
Geez, ya think???? Understatement of the year.
So even though violent crime and rape is nearly always committed by a MENA refugee against an ethnic Swede, that doesn't qualify as "racism." However, the one time there is a "racist" act against Somalis, our Integration Minister mentions the word 'racism' over and over again. Someone is going to have to explain that one to me.
@Children of Adam- What in the world are you doing in a non-Muslim country?
Putting immigrants in employment is the solution. If there aren't any jobs, change swedens politics to a climate that creates jobs.
As the ever wise Chinese often say. "There are no problems... only opportunities".
Swedes don't "regard" immigrants as a welfare drain; they ARE a welfare drain. It's not their responsibility to "put" immigrants - who didn't have to come here in the first place - in employment under the threat of suffering further national costs.
Natural immigration consists of people from all over the world moving into a country to improve their lives through production, not a homogenous stream of immigrants limited to two regions: Africa and the Middle East. The latter is the result of the combination of welfare statism and multiculturalism (including open immigration).
They should have responded forcefully. I won't stand idle when someone abuses me with racist attack. If they are hit they should hit back. The police will take a notice when violence flares up.
Now they are making us look silly and cowards. Somalis are strong people who know how to fight. Of course, we didnt came to Sweden to fight but when the authorities ignore the problem, the only option is to defend yourself.
@respect4ALL I comment on lots of stories concerning many topics so I really don't know what you are going on about. And, as far as your implications, frankly, I resent them. I don't care one whit what race a person is. I work with people of all different races and do not prescribe to the notion that one race is any better than another. It's all really a matter of upbringing and personal character.
Again, what I am saying is that many unskilled immigrants are being placed in areas where there are no jobs. Therefore they either depend or welfare or resort to crime or both. This does not endear themselves to the locals. Pretty simple concept, really.
I would hope you're not advocating an 'eye for an eye' type justice, if someone commits a crime you report it, you don't commit an equal or more serious crime in retaliation. That is how the western world works.
@Children of Adam;
My guess would be more girls convert because they have to convert in order to marry a boy they like. One of my daughters friends is marrying a Muslim boy and his family insisted that she convert her faith. She had a terrible time finding an appropriate swim suit around here.
@Rod Munch;
Violent crime against strangers is usually committed by someone who no longer holds out hope for the future. Lack of opportunities will often push people over the limit. If your going to bring in immigrants, you really need a plan to get them contributing to the economy so they aren't idle.
"According to SVT, the number of Somalis living in the community, located near Jönköping, has dropped from 160 to 95 in the last year as a result of constant racist threats and taunts."
Has anyone checked if this is true at all? Is the number correct? When did people start moving? Why did they move? According to local reports some people started moving before this started, a year ago, and have no conection to it at all. One shouldn`t belittle the issue but I think we should be open and honest about what really has happend.
@ trustworthy
"If they are hit they should hit back."
Is that your view of justice? It`s very medival. Is that view common within the somali community? If someone hit you then you should report it to the police and take them to court.
The longer I live here, the more convinced I become.
The people in charge here care only about maintaining their shiny facade to the rest of the world. They don't care about (and purposely ignore or try to hide) the problems with immigration / integration, racism, lack of employment, horrible emergency services etc. that are rampant here. Things need to change.
The thing with pouring milk on that poor woman's face is straight out of American History X. It's sick and scary that anyone would copy that.
Now, When you get your PUT, the Immigration forwards your information on file to the Arbetsförmedlingen(The Swedish Job Center) in order to enroll you to one of the Establishment plans, during this period you will be financially assisted while you're learning Swedish and getting some practical job skills, now, can you imagine how someone officially registered as an illiterate will find work? or even continue studies? NO-WAY, now lets say the immigration board came to know that you said that you're an educated person and looked for job based on that,anyway, if you might be wondering, they can know this through the paper they make all refugees sign which gives them the right to share their information with other government agencies (mainly immigration,forsäkaringkassan and Police), they can revoke your PUT on providing false information grounds, This is the life dilemma and the main reason behind Somali refugees unemployment in Sweden, one more thing, all papers from Somalia are not recognized including education certificates, passports,birth certificates..etc, so even if you claimed to be educated and produced papers its not recognized and will be treated as an illiterate, its not worth trying.
Another reason is that swedish emplyers are not easy on emplying refugees even after the swedish government announced some plans where it will pay up to 80% of the salaries of potential emplyed refugees, you might think this is good deal for swedish emplyers, but Hell no, still jobs are very hard to come by for refugees, is this because of the scarcity of jobs in sweden or is it due to hiden racism, im not entitled to judge.
Sweden accepts refugees for its internationl PR reasons,FULL STOP
A Swedish government delegation recently traveled to the Somali community in Minneapolis, United States, to find out why it was doing so much better than the Somali community in Sweden; thriving, in fact. It concluded from all this that it was the stifling Swedish institutional policies themselves, particularly those related to Swedish language fluency and acquiring business permits (too much red tape), that were largely responsible for the stagnation of the Somali community within Sweden.
As someone wrote, the Somalis could easily integrate and thrive in Sweden, as they've managed in Minneapolis and other areas, if they were given a fair chance. It's evident, however, that this is not really what many, though perhaps not all, Swedish people want. Clearly, some immigrants are considered desirable, whereas others (read: non-Western immigrants) are persona non grata no matter what they do. All of this sends a troubling outward message that although Swedish government policies nominally welcome people into Sweden who are seeking a better life for themselves and their families, those immigrants could face discrimination once they enter the country by people who didn't want them there to begin with. To add insult to injury, the newcomers will then be blamed for (quite understandably) being reluctant to integrate.
Here's a simple solution to the problem: change the Swedish laws so that they are in line with the actual far right views of what is clearly a great many Swedish people. Once that happens, non-Western immigrants in general shall, almost like magic, leave the Swedes to their own devices. But of course, such a move would also destroy whatever is left of the facade of local hospitality, warmth and tolerance and leave Swedish travelers open to similar treatment abroad.
So immigrants coming to a foreign country on the other side of the world has no responsibility, the entire blame lies with the government or the natives?
No Mafiosi culture, No Gambino, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno,Colombo,camorra,Ndrangheta ,cosa nostra,..etc
I respect your grandparents strive and struggle for survival, I assume they were honest people who worked hard and earned money by honest means, but only for the sake of this argument how can i be sure that your grandparents where not just another typical Italian American Mafiosi who prey on extortion money and chop off people and stack them in rusted barrels for fun.
Prejudice, bigotry, misconception is a major issue, and one should understand that he must judge people individually based on their behaviour not based on his misconception and prejudice about certain group.
To live among Swedes one must live as a Swede.
Talk about prejiduce and bigotry....indicting all Italian Americans as being Mafioso. That's just ignorant.
Your politicians chose to bring poor people running from war and famine and give them a safe home. people with little skills and very nomadic in nature, you've got something to say? say it to your politicians.
i never knew Sweden was such a Nazi nation.
Let's turn the problem around: why do Muslims want to leave their own countries where life and society is centred around and dictated by religion, to come and live in country that is cold and dark for most of the year and totally liberal in most senses. Wouldn't Sweden and its neighbours be better off spending their money in REAL development in those countries and stop indulging corrupt dictators and welfare migration so that people don't want to leave or start going back. When people know there's a comfortable haven a plane ride away, there is no pressure in the country to change the system.
Also, is it being true to Islam to knowingly leave an Islamic country to live in one that is non-Islamic which is totally different in culture and practice. How do they reconcile this.
There will be lots of issues for the next generation to resolve.
Give up the religion people and grow up. How much longer do we have to tolerate you guys?
Where's the link to the updated article that explains how the Somalians admitted they lied because they hoped they would be moved to a larger city to be with their Somalian friends?
I LOVE how all you ignorant white haters IMMEDIATELY believe everything you hear and read. REALLY? Pour milk on yourself to make yourself white? I haven't heard of any hate crimes against Somalians, but I hear about violent and horrible crimes perpetrated on young Swedish people by groups of Somalians. You need to start choosing sides now, because the Somalians have already and will always choose the side of their country and religion first, then their race. Whites, christians and swedes do not factor at ALL into their equation. Except as robbery and sexual assault targets.
But I always heard Sweden was peaceful. I guess it's easy to be peaceful when you all look the same, are pretty much of the same religion and act the same right?