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A 72-year-old man having a tumour removed from his kidney died after the chief anesthetist and nurse took a lunch break in the middle of the surgery.
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I guess the cause of the chaotic situation was the patient? After all, had he not been ill none of this would have happened.Huh?
Shameful.Shameful.
At least tell us the name of these so-called professionals, so if we have to have them operate on us, we can take sandwiches for them!!!
"Stinging critcism" isn't good enough, these people need to be named so other people can avoid visiting this hospital or becoming a client of the same doctors. By not doing so they are jeopardising every potential patient.
Yes well I begin to see why so many foreigners are picturing Swedes as a cold people. I know I can be, however the case in this article seems to know no limits..!
I feel sorry for the old man who died because of pure irresponsibility !
by the way was he an immigrant ?
The doctor's need for lunch is more important that an in-progress surgey
In most of the cases I heard about this summer, the doctor's need for a vacation was more important organ damage or a disabling illness that could have been easily prevented with timely treatment. In one instance, the nurse actually said with a straight-face, "Why are you in a hurry? What does it matter if she has wait for surgery (on her lungs so she can breathe). after all she is getting disability money from forsäkringskassan. " This was about the mother of two-year-old, she could not leave the hospital because she could not breathe. This is telling about the underlying assumption that people only want to be able-bodied to earn money. Which may be the only reason the STATE wants taxpayers to be able-bodied. Individuals may have other motivations for wanting to breathe.
Yes, it will be looked into what really happened. Then nothing will come of it. In Sweden too often things are kept at a splendidly fine academic level. That is: there is a countless amount of pointless "blah, blah" just for the sake of "blah" and just for making the appearance of someone actually doing anything. Oh, there will be suggestions on how to prevent things like in the article from happening again. But that is all it will ever come to, suggestions, cause then there's time for the fika...
As for a "lunch break", I would want the people working on me to be properly hydrated and with proper blood-sugar levels. Of course not adding the "lunch" and missing out on invoking the anti-worker sentiment is way more popular. It's good to see people eating it up.
@Borilla. Please tell me where you have been going. I've been all over Skåne, and it is depressingly bad.
You do not live in Sweden, do you? Nor are your or your loved ones under the umbrella of the Swedish medical system.
Anyone with international experience, who lives any significant amount of time in Sweden cannot help but notice the holes in the Swedish model. It is not managed well, and practitionioners are not held to appropriately level of accountability for mistakes.
Most comments from people living in Sweden are based on experiences of scores of people that would be deemed negligent elsewhere. The academic scholarship is skewed since those statistics are based on the figures released by the medical authorities, not "exit-polls" of patients, against an actual control group of docotrs. I know that the "true believers" do not want thei system to as so very flawed as it is. But it is. And pundits are not going to change the situation. And the situation is that people who paid very high social taxes their entire working life do not recieve the quality of care they were promised. It is not unusual to here people discussing in pubs and cafes someone who was disabled from lack of timely quality healthcare. The saddest part is most of these disabilities and sometimes deaths could have been easily avoided with proper triage and prompt care. It is not a question of limited money, loads of money could be saved if it were re-allocated from healing damage from slow/poor health care into prophylaxis and diagnositics. Damage awards with teeth against medical negligence could do wonders also.
A typical brain surgery for examble can last 18hrs.
If need be, they can take rotations.
Having said that, my experience with the Swedish medial system has been great for my family and me. There will always be such bad examples and irresponsibility, even in Canada, France, or the U.S. These are the cases that receive coverage. Planes that land safely tend not to make the front page.
Will there be any outcome? Well, form a committee to discuss it. Then take lunch!!
Just wait till Obamacare kicks in in the USA....
As I asked in a previous story, people get reported or criticized, but will anyone get fired or lose their license to practice medicine or evengo to jail?
This is criminal? And if they go to lunch there should be other surgeons and nurses to take over. In the states there is usually the primary surgeon and if he took a lunch break which I have never heard of there would be another surgeon.
I mean how long does a tumor take to remove, really you culdnt starve yourself for a little longer?
When I had eye surgery, my doctor was there, and 3 nurses and the anesthetist.
The victim's family should sue the living daylights out of the octor, nurse and hospital. When there are no consequences you will have medical staff that do not care or perform to the best of their abilities.
SHAME!
No need for disciplinary action. The nurse has already suffered disproportionately more than other criminals in Sweden suffer when they have had to face the rage of the Swedish justice system.
You comment as though the pre-Obama care system in the US was so free from problems.It would be interesting to see the stats that show:
1. how many people died because they had no coverage.
2. how many children died because 'they had used up their insurance company lifetime allowance by the time they were 11 years old"
3.how many malpractice and negligence law suits occur in the USA each year.
4. how many children died through insurance company errors that denied them treatment
You talk as though this case has something to do with politics, left or right. It has something to do with professionalism and personal responsibility. Trying to condemn the 'social model health care system' has nothing to do with this tragedy.These things occur in whatever system.Whenever professionals are not professional or even enthusiastic amateurs.
Many pro-Republican style Health Care proponents are basically sociopathically indifferent (sociopaths in the sense of an absolute lack of empathy toward their fellow man) to the plight of parents who have a child or children with a pre-existing health condition.
These Republicans are saying that the profit margin of health insurance companies are more important than the lives of children, and that in their world it is perfectly okay for these children to have substandard care or no care and for the parents to go bankrupt (in the ultra expensive US sytem) trying to give their children a normal life.
Many republicans say 'But hey, US hospitals don't turn people away from the emergency room if they have a broken leg, even if someone shows up without health insurance!', but this does not address quality of life issues and long term preventive care, which includes things such as prescription drugs, which could be unaffordable to people without insurance, and which could thereby seriously degrade their quality of life, or shorten it.
This is why the Replican health model can be summed up in 3 words: 'Don't get sick'. Shame on those who support it.
#35. When did you stop beating your wife? Skewed questions is a fraudulent way to make a fake case. Give us the answers for "How many...?
For example:
How many Obama fatcats received secret waivers from Obamacare in exchange for paying him big bucks? Over 1,500 (that we know of)
How many pages long is the Obamacare bill? Over 2,000.And the garbage in it is only starting to be uncovered.
How did they disguise the death panels? By calling them Independent Payment Advisory Boards.
The regulation that prevents health insurance companies from barring families who have a child with a pre-existing condition from getting coverage is fact, not propaganda.
And are you so naive that you believed (and continue to believe) Sarah Palin's idiotic 'Death Panels' accusation?
If you bothered to research that subject, you would have found out, as I well tell you now, that one version of the health bill included a provision where a PATIENT (not a doctor) at his/her own request could ask for a consultation with a doctor on paliative care issues, and that the Doctor would be simply be allowed to bill medicare for the consultation he provided to the patient on end of life treatment options, since this is a common type of consultation and Doctors were not always compensated for it.
There was NEVER the suggestion that a team of doctors would sit around deciding if they should stop treating a patient because it was too expensive, but imbeciles like Sarah Palin tried to make it sound that way, and a shocking number of naive Americans believed her, and apparently continue to believe that.
Obomacare's IPAB is designed to be a mini-shadow government within the federal bureaucracy. These bureaucrats who issue life-and-death edicts are political appointees and answerable to no one--not even to democratically elected congress.
But it is a waste of time to discuss reality with a True Believer, especially one whose rhetoric is limited to facile name-calling (sociopaths, really?) mixed with outbursts of rage.
Let's just stipulate: yours is the side of angels, small children, nature and rainbows. The other side is comprised of evil sociopaths who eat babies and kittens for breakfast. But only after torturing them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel
So you can attempt to condescend to others all you want, but it is you who is one of the last to believe in ghost stories and fairy tales told to you in all the breadth and depth of Republican campaign sound bites.
Oh dear. You seem to be unaware that media fact-checkers, as well as organizations such as factcheck.org, are severely skewed, according to their political bias. So much so that now there are organizations that fact-check the fact-checkers.
Wikipedia is your source? Is it possible that you did not know that anyone can change the entries in Wikipedia?
You really are gullible, aren't you? Sounds like you are the believer in fairy tales:
You probably even believe the fairy tales in Obama's book, Dreams....
Or the fairy tale that he wrote it himself.
And what is your source of information? Sarah Palin repeatedly wailing 'SAY NO TO DEATH PANELS!' at tea party rallies several years ago?
Sound bites are intended to sway voters, the 'gullible' ones in particular, when these sound bites are lies or gross distortions.
The 'death panels' claim is easily dimissible to any unbiased reader by reference to the cited paragraphs and sections in the proposed legislation (as pointed out in the Wikipedia article, among other places). Or will you now suggest that people have invented new forms of the legislation just to create a Wikpedia article to mislead people?
And what facts do you have tosupport your assertion that someone else wrote Obama's memoirs entitled 'Dreams of My Father'? Even if he did have a ghostwriter help him, that is not relevant to health care policy.
The IPAB is intended to look for ways to reduce the obsence costs of US healthcare without changing the quality of care. If you know anything about US healtcare, you will know that some states adminsiter health care far more cost effectively than other states, and this is not because the more efficient states have doctor death running around switching off all the life support equipmment.
Some friends of mine were handed an over 300,000 USD bill after their daugther had a routine procedure done that required 2 weeks in a hospital in NJ, which included an itemized list of expenses, such as 16 dollars for the box of Kleenex placed next to her bed. The American health care system is robbing the American public (or their health insurance companies, for those who have one) in broad daylight, so plenty of room to reduce health care costs without swithcing off Granny's life support machine.
And plenty of room for other good ideas. For example Romneycare, the blueprint for Obamacare, which is one way to attempt to slow the spiraling costs of healthcare in the US.
If they even print the story, we'll find it in section U - pg.23 below the fold under Use-less information. How dose Sweden do it? Dose the doctor talk to the patient prior? Or does the patient just pick a number? Just seeing what we have to look forward too here.
#44. In Sweden you take a number and it's pretty much a lottery after that..But in spite of all its flaws and failures, Swedish healthcare is still preferable to Nobama care.
I went into hospital in England for a repair to a tendon in my arm, but as it was taking longer than expected the surgeon cut it out, So that he could get to his lunch on time. because obviousely spending the rest of my life without the full use of an arm isn't nearly as important as his dinner getting cold?.
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