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Swedes who earn a salary on par with the average municipal worker contribute the equivalent of 70 percent of their monthly salaries in taxes, a new study has found.
External link: Statement on the study with tables (in Swedish) »
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I have to support the system so many others abuse.
I´m an honest person and that is my downfall.
Yes, I am willing to pay more, up to 99.99%
Once again you write gibberish with no content, have you ever for one moment ever had the thought "I must put my brain into gear before I open my mouth".
If you read you at not paying taxes for nothing, they go towards your future, a way of preserving money so you don't spend it all at once. If you live until you are 100 you will receive 35 years of salary at 80%, plus the cost of putting you in a care home. Of course if you don't want to pay go and live somewhere you don't pay taxes and you can work for the rest of your life without care and die in pain.
You also need to read what "Saw" has said.
Yet another reminder to change your user name, the real Robin Hood was a man of the people, the put his name in disgrace.
Then I wonder what measly stipent Denmark gives it's citezens back as pocket change?
free healthcare, free education etc.
americans get nothing but want to pay less and get more lol
And if it's true that you have never met a Swede who complains about taxes, it tells me you hang out with the takers, not the makers.
btw, what is your obsession with NATIVE (sic) Swedes. Racist much?
Take the one named "Grokh" for example.
He said: "funny how swedes pay so much and yet get so much out of it.
free healthcare, free education etc.
americans get nothing but want to pay less and get more lol"
Now let's break that down a bit.
How in the world can you include "pay" and "free" in the same sentence?
You just said it yourself, Swedes pay so much and get so much out of it.
It is not FREE healthcare nor FREE education. It is PREPAID Healthcare, and a shitty one that is.
And we all know what happens to unused pre-paid things, they expire.
There are people out there who do not get sick, nor have any children, and still pay the same taxes. How is that fair? Why should I pay for someone staying a year at home, getting the same salary as me, because she decided to get cheeky and got herself pregnant?
Why should I pay for people who have no idea on how to minimally protect themselves from illness and keep themselves healthy?
And in the end, healthcare in Sweden is not only A) Prepaid but both B) Much Worse than private and C) Much more expensive in the long run.
Consider this: You pay monthly for it, and yet maybe you get help from a doctor that really requires an investment about once every five years, if even.
I would rather pay the doctor every time I needed one. That would ensure that the ambulance actually comes when I call it, that would ensure that the doctor would actually have an interest in seeing me, that would ensure that I won't wait for a week to see a doctor, that would ensure a lot of things.
You don't need government offered healthcare in order to let all citizens get healthcare, you just need to ensure that everyone has a paycheck or if disabled, help from the state in the form of a paycheck, not in the form of a lot of "free" things that they don't need.
The longer I live here the more I love Sweden taxes and all!
and i am not a swede!
It's never really fair to make direct comparissons to tax systems and rates in different countries that have very different social structures. It's much more complex than just comparing percentages.
Let's look at the U.S. where I lived a lot and worked in different states. Work in New York City, you pay federal taxes, New York State taxes, New York City taxes, and could also be paying taxes to another state if you live outside New York. Then you pay social security taxes, plus your employer pays social security taxes. Plus your employer pays for your healthcare insurance and that of your family. But it doesn't end there. If you have kids (I didn't when I worked there but many of my friends did), you have to begin setting aside around $500 per month to save for a decent college education.
Having said all that, taxes are too high in Sweden and there is too much fat in the system. Too much social welfare and too many people taking faked sick leave (like several people I know currently taking time off for stress, paid for by the government). With the global economy what it is, there won't be room for such luxuries much longer. Sad to say, I know my job can be oursourced tomorrow to somebody sitting in India who would certainly be more productive.
and for all that you get a whole 2 weeks annual leave.
have to remember also that a lot of americans have to survive on kissing butt - ie tips and are expected to pay tax on those too.
People without insurance are the biggest drain on the system, because if their medical bills get too high, they can discharge them through bankruptcy court. And if they get too sick to work, they go on Medicaid. Although, that should change once the health insurance mandate goes into effect.
Totally agree (I came from UK and just love the fairness and real democracy of this country).As for costs, well many things are now much cheaper in Sweden than the UK - I no longer bother bringing stuff back from the UK on a 'cost saving' basis.
#15 Skane American
Yep, it seems the habit of banking orgs nowadays to present unbalanced figures, as you very correctly point out it is hard to count an employer's tax as being paid by an employee.
#3 Migga
I used to be just like you, but then I started to look further than my own nose and found that, actually, the EU was not such a bad thing.I mean if you simply took the claimed EU payment amount and added it to the 'defence budget amount' it would still look good compared with many nations-and the EU has been instrumental in bringing peace in Europe for decades. But,hey, don't let facts stand in the way of your prejudice.
You say to your small children -"don't hit", don't take", "don't threaten" because it is universally preferable behaviour. But the state uses violence, threats and kidnapping to steal 70% of peoples income.
People say, but that's democracy, that's what the majority want... but if the majority wanted to rape the minority would that be okay ? no ? so how come its ok to steal and kidnap.
You can have a government that is funded by voluntary taxes only, but it is a huge risk, because as soon as the massive prosperity arises out of peoples freedom the state will get greedy for its share.
To paraphrase the late Murray Rothbard said 'Society is the sum total of voluntary interactions between people' ... note the word voluntary, so that excludes the parasitic state.
Many would agree with you. They can usually be found lying on the sofa, living off a Swedish woman or the taxpayers.
Be careful what you wish for.
the government invests the money in education so that people get free education.
or are you saying every american that pays taxes are giving their money to pakistan , afeghanistan etc?
in several other european countries people pay tax, and then pay for education.
oh for fucks sakes how stupid are you?
if i pay taxes and the whole society benefits , doesnt it make it a better society for myself to live in ? or are you one of those that would rather be rich and have people stab you for your shoes ?
so what if sick people get treated or educated out of the taxes i paid? the society benefits and makes the country better.
your paranoia over a small percentage of people who abuse the system is idiotic, there will always be those who abuse it thats what prison is for.
if you want to pay low taxes and live in a country where you get nothing out of the money you paid then go live in some horrible country like USA.
"... elderly who are not well off end up in the worst nursing homes or dying alone in their house and being eaten by their dogs/cats their body found months later when a neighbor decides to find out what that funky smell is..."
Do a search in TheLocal archives for examples.
Programmeny has it right. You forfeit your right to choose to the government, so that you can have the government provide for you. Then you try to claim the moral high ground, thinking there is something noble about abdicating personal responsibility, decision making, and accountability to government bureaucrats. It's ridiculous.
You should get yourself a tattoo that reads 'Born to be a Serf'.
We had a Sweden exchange student living with us a few years ago, I leaned so much about your country since then. She is now a big part of our life, just like a daughter . I'm proud of where I live and hope you are too there in Sweden, I don't always agree with the decisions our government has done but thats the power of our voting system, there so many places in the world I would never want to be due to the government or lack of it. I'm hoping sometime to visit your country to really view the beautiful land you live.
Medieval serfs' taxation rate was 20%. In the year 2012, the Swedes pay 70% of their income as taxes. It is three times worse than in the Middle Ages.
Why do Swedes tolerate such kind of rip-off?
Where do all that tax money go? Paying off the Islamist invader? Mind you, paying Danegeld will get you rid of the geld but not of the Dane.
Swedes have an open Democracy. If they like how they arrange things, wonderful for them! They can always vote for one of the Right wing parties en masse if they don't. Americans prefer their system for them. Otherwise they'd change it (recall Russia around 1917 and then 1991).
Swedes put a higher value on collective community than Americans who put individual freedom at a higher value. Chinese value collective servitude (beats me why...I don't get it!). Should I force the Chinois to live as I do? Or let them infringe on my freedoms and perogatives as a subject of Her Imperial Britannic Majesty? Let the Swedes arrange their own affairs as suits them best. They live in Sweden, not Texas or Ethiopia (or even in the Heaven that is Norway!)
You have High tax in a socialist country but an average tax in a capitalist country..
To me it just seems greedy, or the fact that Sweden's basic infrastructure is so in-effective, it cost the same for a country of 9 million that is does for one 4-5 times the population. i think the government read the book, How to be a capitalist country for dummies, but got no further than the index page.
I am still absolutely disgusted that in the majority of places you must pay to use the toilets, as though the basic need of a human is a profitable business and allowed to be seen as such. In Central Stockholm, it takes 3 people to make sure the toilets are cleaned(10 stalls), and just one guy will take your money and then put it in the slot for you that you could have done yourself and charge 10kr.!! If this is not the very premise of an in-effective business model, you can only guess how much tax is spend on 5 people doing the job that 2 can do...
Not sure what planet your exchange student came from, but it can't have been Sweden. For the zillionth time, health care in Sweden is not free. It is wildly expensive. Moreover, Swedish health care is unhealthy and uncaring.
Sweden must be the closest thing to the U.S.S.R. the world has ever seen and its a shame. Just reading about the homeschooling refugees, but I guess that's what we pay taxes for, so the regime can persecute loving innocent families who don't want to send their children to the regime's indoctrination and obedience training centers so they can learn how great it is to work 70% of their miserable centrally planned lives for that monster they call a "government." BTW, calling the plunder of 70% of your labor "democracy" is insane. Even slaves in the American south got to keep more of their labor than that! They got "free housing" and "free food" and "free healthcare" also! Wake up Sweden!