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Sweden needs to introduce language and cultural knowledge requirements for would-be Swedish citizens, according to one political scientist at an expert panel in Stockholm on Wednesday.
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Ethnic swedes are reserved. Getting to strike a solid bond with them is a mission. You always feel a stranger . Integration is two ways.. if you try to integrate with someone who isn't interested. You will not integrate even if you are the head of the SFI programme itself. Swedish should be obligatory , Swedish history should be given in SFI through videos and the like.. but linking mastery of the language with Citizenship is actually bringing much more harm than good. Look at the failed situation in Denmark.. impossible language test and an impossible history test . Leading to people who are alienated .
Don't know!
I know many persons who are in good jobs, lived in Sweden for more than 6-7 years, but they are not so proficient in Swedish.
What about them? Are they not worthy enough, even after their contribution to the Swedish economy? More over many of their children speak quite good Swedish!
Well !! This is a clumsy business.
Now comes the part for language and integration of new people. Well I agree for integration it is highly necessary that a person speaks swedish and knows swedish values and culture. Without it, it is impossible to integrate. We should not blame the swedish people for not talking to us if we dont know anything about them or their country or their language.
yes-200 000kr!!!!!!
http://www.thelocal.se/29520/20101009/
well after 3 years of fighting this and losing every court case,it appears that if you take one day a week free,losing a days pay,not being one of the group,paying for travel,books,to learn swedish,to be able to integrate,read platsbanken,and welcome swedish customs, then when unemployed,benefits at basic level for 9 weeks because of time lost at sfi,benefit loss because of less hours worked per week,no feedback,info about concequences of continueing sfi,not told that sfi is full time study,and you are still registered as a full time student even if you quit(you must actively de-register!!
it doesnt seem to matter that sfi is only 15 hours a week.
it doesnt seem to matter that benefits were paid for 32 hours a week(averaged)
it doesnt seem to matter that i was still based on a 40 hour working week.
i was also reported to the police for embezelment
i was also kicked out of the electricians a-kassan
i actually had to leave the electricians union,and go to fastighets union,just to get a-kassan again
so there i was,left out in the cold,no advice,help feedback.
every time i tell a foreigner about this crap,they have never heard of it.
so how are some workers able to go once every two months or so,isnt there some kind of working hours,tax ,etc complications.
i totally wanted to integrate,its so much fun when you are accepted as an equal,able to communicate and take part in society.
my mistake i guess,is that i saw sfi as a duty (pliktighet)
an evening sfi,streamlined for foreign workers,answering the challenges of working life and paperwork-thats what i asked 3 years ago!!!
not concentrating on babies,baking,or talking about my homeland.
but now-im so scared of making another mistake,i will not speak swedish to officials(if i make a mistake,will they be human and have mercy??)
they force me to pay 1286kr a month until 2026!!-for learning swedish??
frankly im dissappointed(the lawyer is embarrased)in the swedish system.
when you have no feedback,not wanting to impose,etc,you build up a society where no-one cares anymore,will not take responsibility,and will give you a phone number of the next person.
sfi,arbetsförmedlingen,a-kassan,and my employers, all failed in their duties to inform me of possible consequences.
look out people,always ask if there is anything else that you should know!!
I kind of detest this country for its hypocrisy and while your have professors, lawyers, political scientists, titles mean nothing if they dont have an ounce of common sense.
How can a society progress when every new intention or idea, every possible progress that would benefit a society is stopped as you must comform to what already exists. I already have experience that if you are not a swede, then your opinion doesnt count, that if ideas do not conform to the swedish way, it must be a bad idea, even if it will improve or solve a common problem.
You stunt the natural evolution of a society.
"The problem is that even though they become citizens; they're still not conforming,"
Sounds like individuality(which i was under the impression Sweden wants) is not what they want, but one people, one mind.
A Country full of sheep with the Govenment controlling almost every aspect of peoples lives.
They do try and educate you on basic history, and I would say much of it involves womens rights, womens history, and everything to do with the hardship of women throughout history as though our generations of men must feel guilty about prevous events and ancestory.
This is the equality Sweden wants, not to work for equality on the same level, to achieve a higher quality for all, but for those fortunate enough, to work hard, they must be brought down so it can be met half way, when there is no reason not to improve the other side and raise it to the same level.
Equality in Sweden is perfectly depicted in Solna Centrum toilets, The Ladies are decorated the same as men, Each cubilce in the mens has a Large painted Heart on the doors, pink, purple, yellow, light blue, inside is a lovely pastelle butterfly covering the wall. This isnt a gender neural toilet, its decorated in everything you could steriotype as a female toilett.
Those that are aware of such idiotics withing the swedish culture cannot integrate. Its impossible as much as any of those professors, lawyers, political scientists could try and integrate with the average struggling poverty ridden culture.
I read somewhere Malmo has a population of 82% immigrants(or immigrant parents) your asking 82% to conform to the ideas and values of 18%, good luck with that.
The other time i saw a whole family at the airport in London with a swedish passport but cannot speak swedish to the man trying to chat them up. What a shame.
As for your description of the Malmo population, you may wish to do a little research, then your long post might have some accurate facts in it.
What country will launch their children into the Swedish language? They comparisons and superior attitude is an irritating cover for a national trait of low self esteem.
The harder Sweden struggle to become an island, the more it will be. And we all know what happens to islands.
It doesn't matter how well a non-Swede speaks Swedish, you can never be Swedish even if you're born here. This cultural alienation is beginning to bite and can only get worse. Sweden needs an Attaturk, not a SD.
But they should also be asked to make a simple statement about what benefits they can bring to Swedish society. In Sweden, everyone who can contribute is expected to contribute. That is the Swedish way.
"I am a qualified IT engineer", I am a trained nurse", I have a job and pay tax", "I help out with my daughter's football team", "I am studying to be a teacher", "I am working hard at school", etc.
A person unable to make such a statement should be refused, asked to make changes to their lifestyle, and to reapply when they have something positive to offer.
And for those wondering what the Swedish National anthem is, here it is...
Du gamla, Du fria, Du fjällhöga nord
Du tysta, Du glädjerika sköna!
Jag hälsar Dig, vänaste land uppå jord,
Din sol, Din himmel, Dina ängder gröna.
Du tronar på minnen från fornstora dar,
då ärat Ditt namn flög över jorden.
Jag vet att Du är och Du blir vad du var.
Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden.
Jag städs vill dig tjäna mitt älskade land,
din trohet till döden vill jag svära.
Din rätt, skall jag värna, med håg och med hand,
din fana, högt den bragderika bära.
Med Gud skall jag kämpa, för hem och för härd,
för Sverige, den kära fosterjorden.
Jag byter Dig ej, mot allt i en värld
Nej, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden.
I am value neutral on this topic, I neither think multiculturalism is a good thing nor a bad thing. Those who wish the current culture to remain the same, will be negative towards multiculturalism, and those who want change, will probably consider it positive. But, in the end , there is no stopping change- it is part of life.
The name of this country "Sweden". This name is not "multicultural land"
English should be the lingua franca for European integration and streamlining the economy. English is a wonderful compromise between German (swedish included), French and Latin.
This PC/multiculturalism nonsense here needs to stop immediately!
U.S. law requires documents such as voting ballots to be printed in multiple languages for the large numbers of non-English speakers.
(btw, in American English the possessive "its" is spelled without an apostrophe.)
and i ABSOLUTELY agree with #27 about SFI!!
As for the Swedish language one of the readers above is right about SFI. SFI is a tottally failed policy. Why? Because SFI is focused on the cultural differences not on the language itself. But here's the point, Europeans don't need that because they are similar in culture, religion and heritage. Historically we don't have muslim people here, and actually they are the people that need some cultural knowledge. Christmas is Xristmas in whole Europe celibrated on 25 December and the only difference is Russia celebrating it after New Years Day. So what they need is more intensive Swedish language course. Still, in my humble opinion, to focus on the immigrants' English language knowledge first is better. Make them take test and if they hit advaced (CAE) or proficiency (CPE) level give them a job as Swedes are good at English. Sweden is the only not-Anglo-Saxon country in the world with English as a second language. If you allow them to work they gradually, little by little will learn svenska. Hmm....one of the above reader's daughter learnt svenska for one summer only but her native was English. To come from English is one thing but to come, for example from Arabic is quite another. My post has become too long, almost as long as an article. Thanks for taking time reading it.
As for the Swedish language one of the readers above is right about SFI. SFI is a tottally failed policy. Why? Because SFI is focused on the cultural differences not on the language itself. But here's the point, Europeans don't need that because they are similar in culture, religion and heritage. Historically we don't have muslim people here, and actually they are the people that need some cultural knowledge. Christmas is Xristmas in whole Europe celibrated on 25 December and the only difference is Russia celebrating it after New Years Day. So what they need is more intensive Swedish language course. Still, in my humble opinion, to focus on the immigrants' English language knowledge first is better. Make them take test and if they hit advaced (CAE) or proficiency (CPE) level give them a job as Swedes are good at English. Sweden is the only not-Anglo-Saxon country in the world with English as a second language. If you allow them to work they gradually, little by little will learn svenska. Hmm....one of the above reader's daughter learnt svenska for one summer only but her native was English. To come from English is one thing but to come, for example from Arabic is quite another. My post has become too long, almost as long as an article. Thanks for taking time reading it.