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There are several reasons why Swedes should support calls for reform of the European Union championed by British Prime Minister David Cameron, argues Mats Persson, president of the Open Europe think tank.
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Camer-looney did not give a referendum option of IN / OUT.
IN being deeper, further integration of the EU with the UK at the core with Germany, etc.
NO, Camer-looney, made the statement today to kill and destroy the UKIP party. Without a cause, their one cause, he has effectively castrated the Imbicile Little Englander Git. By the time of the Next UK General Election in May 2015:
UKIP = extinct
Lib-Dem Party = Extinct (for breaking election pledges and raising University tuition to £9000 per year), they are un-electable. Even the past 3 by-elections they did not even achieve 5% of the vote.
With the Great REMINDER of what a Rightwingnut Conservative (Tory) Government is like - all those who were not born or were too young to remember the last one - They KNOW now and 2015 will be a Labour Landslide Election.
The only hope Camer-looney has for any seats is Scotland voting Independent in 2014 as that will be 59 Less MP's in Westminster (Only ONE is a Tory).
It is not about the EU, it is all about INTERNAL Politics and eliminating two political parties.
I do not think Swedish Politicians are stupid enough to use the EU as a way to get political leverage within Sweden.
End of Holiday/Retirement homes in sunnier Climates. It will be like buying a property in USA, a person has to leave the USA every 3 months and would have to re-apply for a visa to re-enter.
Any financial transactions with the EU would be subject to tariff/taxes that would go TO the EU (not shared back to the UK).
So if the 'Little Englander's' want to be a isolated Island in the middle of the Atlantic - where not even the USA/Canada would want anything to do businesswise as UK would be irrelevant to the Much larger Much Greater Economic Club of the EU.
Anyone thinking the UK can Dictate to the EU as if it is the Victorian British Empire - are grossly mistaken. Punishment for being a spoilt brat child will be short sharp harsh and LONG TERM.
The above is just a drop in bucket as to What the EU can do to Punish a country who chooses to turn it's back on the Greatest Humanity Project in History.
ps. When joining a club, the club changes as it is called EVOLUTION. Do you think the USA are the same original 13 colonies with their Articles of Confederation they started out to be in their first few decades of existence, the Federal USA did not begin on day one - it was Decades/centuries in the making.
Odd that a Social, Economic, Political etc UNION is perfectly fine to those in Westminster when it is England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, etc etc... It is just when a rich white boys old Etonian Club is running every aspect of UK Government - they want to have even more power and control over their would be 'Serfs'!
i think it would probably be a good idea to show great caution in supporting anyone who described themselves as 'son of thatcher'.
I think you mean "son of Blair". He has far more in common with the Labour socialist quislings that have destroyed so much in such a short time.
As there is a trade inbalance with the EU and UK in the EU's facvour then the UK will get a free trade agreement with the EU just like the Swiss have. The German car companies like BMW and VW will soon be onto Mrs. M if this does not happen. The UK can imposae trade tarrifs as well. It is a win win situation.
I can't understand why the Brits, who currently have the fourth largest economy in Europe, want to get out before they they go bankrupt too. It's a complete mystery. Wrecking your national economy seems a small price to pay for membership of this fine confederation.
the UK exports far more to the EU than it imports, so with a 100% tariff or HIGHER on all UK exports to the EU, the UK would have to 'give money to consumers' to buy EU products. Yes the UK can Impose tariffs, but to do so would turn the UK from what was worlds number 1 economy, number2, number 3... currently number 7.. (barely in the G8).. so be lucky as a 'little englander' Island in the ISOLATED middle of the Atlantic to not even be in the top 100.
Camer-looney did not offer his list of dictacts or a NO/OUT vote for the betterment of the EU, he did it for political expedience! By calling a referendum, under x y z conditions - he castrated the TeaBagger/ UKIP's! And with the Lib-Dem's becoming extinct at the next election due to broken promises/signed pledges...
and the loss of 58 of 59 Scottish MP's that are NO Rightwing Tory's...
Camer-looney is grasping at straws. Putting out his election manifesto 2 years before the election, which as history dictates - is almost a year Too Early.
He knows he does not stand a snow ball in a hot fire-y place of getting re-elected - so he can say what ever he wants just to as they say in usa - 'Stir the Kool-Aid'.
Show intellectual and Political maturity and watch what the LEFT hand is doing when the Right hand is waving all over with x y z nothingness.....!!!
The EU or high tariffs aren't the only options despite what the rocket scientists here at the local would like to pretend.
This idiotic experiment is thankfully going to come to an end in the near future.
This goes against tax havens (The City, Luxembourg, etc...), and in favour of the rest of Europe.
Please would you explain to me how driving half the population of Europe into destitution and unemployment, benefits either them, or the other half? . I hear the unemployment figures in Spain and Greece, I see tens of millions of Europeans (and rising) without proper healthcare, employment or benefits, I see minor and even major European nations in a state of economic collapse, one with an unelected emergency government imposed on it by Germany. I see Europeans living in poverty at levels of degradation and need unseen in a hundred years. i see fascists marching in the streets of Athens.
I'm a bit confused. If you don't mind me saying, the EU looks to me like the greatest disaster to wealth and democracy suffered by Europe since the second world war, and if it gets any worse, since the black plague.
Please explain to me why a return to the dark ages of unelected leaders, fascism and poverty is in fact a good thing?
There was nothing wrong with these countrirs economies, just they had their current account reserves evaporated with no notice And govt functions still have to continue and be psid. It is not just the club med EU states, nor the EU, it os a global problem. And If you think the EU has a rough time (that will pass In Time) - look closely at the US
I'm sorry, but you haven't answered my question at all. You have said nothing about the rise of fascism in Greece, or the undemocratic imposition of a head of government in Italy. The total collapse of the economies of Greece, Hungary, Cyprus and Spain cannot be adequately explained by a subprime scandal in the US. Not a single economist believes that.
Your statement that "There was nothing wrong with these countrirs[SIC] economies" is ridiculous. These countries bankrupted themselves years ago. Their millions of citizens live in poverty and will continue to do so for decades. I suspect your suggestion that their troubles "will pass in time" will not placate them. Particularly as more and more European countries are heading in the same direction; things are getting worse, not better.
Your comparison with the US is disingenuous; nowhere in the US has a health service collapsed (Greece) is unemployment at 35% and youth unemployment over 55% (Cyprus, Greece and Spain). You have to go way back in history to find figures as bad as this anywhere at all, in all of history.
Now once again; why is economic collapse, fascism, unelected leadership, destitution, unemployment and rampant corruption a good thing? Tens of millions of Europeans need an answer, please be precise.
This entire global financial Economic Situation is Entirely down to the Dumping of subprime (worthless) mortgages - as bonds on the world market.
Obviously you do not, nor ever have working in 'the City' in London or you would know the facts and realities of the situation but you are far too caught up in drinking the blood of the rightwingnut politicians who try to blame ALL the UK, EU etc Economic problems on this state or that state.
Odd how 2.5 years ago the UK govt was praising the Spainish govt for it's diligence in how their financial services function, now they are a Praia by the press and politicians.
I do not expect simpleton's and imbicles to understand Macro-Economic global Economics, just do not try to be a kindergarten pupil telling a PhD person (in relevance) how you think things work - just because you have had it said to you 1001 times - that is all it takes to make an imbicile believe fantasy is fact. It is not.
I would go into great detail, but you and other reader's would - instantly stop reading when they can not understand nor comprehend Financial Products and how they were dumped on the 'selected' global market' by the USA. So you can go back to you delusions of little Englander drinking from the contamined cup of the tory's. Those of us with intelligence, saw it coming, saw it happen, and now have to live with the consequences and people like yourself who fail to comprehend the entire 2008/9 global economic collapse was the fault of the USA.
However that would leave UK in a situation similar to that of the Swiss: that you end up having to follow regulations set up by the larger block without having any authority to affect the decisions. In this case UK would become subject to regulations made by EU and could also become subject to pressure from EU in other issues (with the threat that e.g. the free trade agreement is affected if UK does not comply).
So in order to keep the "best of both worlds" (for themselves) UK prefers to push for an EU where they can stay as a member. This gives them more visibility into what is going on in EU politics and a better chance to lobby for or against decisions as they see fit.
Yes, every problem of the EU -- the Southern nations' inability to collect taxes, the anger of the subjugation of democratic national sovereignty, the absurdity of one monetary policy for the entire continent, etc...is entirely, 100% because of securitization.
It's America's fault.
Brilliant analysis. You are clearly the superior intellect you claim to be.
Thank you for your post. It tells the users of this forum all we need to know about you.
And that is exactly how it is, but hey...they won the Nobel Pee Prize so all is perfect. Nothing to see there, move along!
Norway saw it coming and took actions and how well are they doing today? Ah yeah, perfectly fine.
The EU is the biggest crock of sh!t since sliced bread.
Haha.... Spot on.
You are wrong when you say that the UK exports more to the EU than it imports. The UK imports £5 Billion more from the EU than it exports - hence the rush to give the UK free trade agreements. Win Win situation...
Also, the latest Scottish Indepedence poll shows those in favour at 23% only.
Lets call you person A and person A earns a salary of €60k pa. (€5k per month).
From this there are things that have to be paid: taxes, mortgage or rent, utilities (gas, electric, water/sewerage), local community charges/council tax, FOOD, Transportation, Insurance (home, possessions, car), Car taxes, etc etc etc
Of your €5k per month, you are thrifty and you manage to save 10% of your take home income that you had invested.
BUT along comes a CDO & CDS - they take from your bank account €200,000.
Leaving you with nothing in your account, even though you have just been paid.
Add to this you still have all your usual monthly obligations from Mortgage and Transport etc...
You still have a good job, you still have income but because 200k was removed from your account you can not pay these things. Your neighbours and family were with a different bank and did not have their money taken leaving them ok when You are in DEBT now as you have to pay the difference between what you did have in the bank and the amount taken.
All your neighbours, friends, family - tell you - you are just bad at managing your money, you must cut back on your spending. You must stop spending money on this and that as you obviously can not afford it. (personal austerity)
You still have all the same financial obligations but you are either or about to be Bankrupt. Having your friends and family keep insulting you by saying - It is All your Fault.
All small countries who had bought the 'sham' subprime AAA rated bonds from the USA, had all their investment become NIL over night, then to add insult to injury these Bonds were 'insured' so the insurer's had to pay again. called a double whammy.
You say that Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Iceland, etc are all responsible for their current situation as they obviously can not manage there own state of affairs.
They are like person A as described above, they still had income (tax base) they also still have their fiscal obligations - money it takes to run a government and it's services.
Those who condemn and criticise the countries are acting like the neighbours, friends and family of person A - as described above.
All the hype and propaganda about end of the world, end of the EU, with dictators etc... I can easily imagine you were worried about the Y2K, the Mayan end of world, and every other urban myth scare mongering that thrives is such petty minds.
I have met more Swedish people's than I can remember and none seem to be as xenophobic as the little Englander's who wish to live in splendid isolation on an island in the middle of the atlantic - but yet dictate to the world.
So yeah say England does leave the EU, England will still have to follow the rules and regulations of the common market - or products will not be allowed into the common market. Do you want lead in your paint on childrens toys?
English are all for EU regulations when it meant holiday's could be taken anywhere in the EU and know the drinking water has to meet a minimum standard of quality. And sewerage is treated before being dumped in the sea (although the UK still dumps raw - untreated sewerage into the sea, making swimming in it - a hazard).
How many little Englander's are going to be up in arms when they have to follow all these rules and regulations but they as a non member of the EU - have NO say in the rules?
And to those who say they never voted in a referendum, do states of Australia or Canadian Provinces or even states of the USA have to have a referendum every generation, because the current population did not get a say in the club?
No one in England is demanding a Referendum on England staying in the UK!
If a common market, common currency union, political union is good enough for the English in the UK - why are the vocal minority, and yes they are vocal and yes they are in the Minority in UK - trying to get England out of the EU. Scotland is a committed member of the EU, via the UK and hopefully when they have unleashed the shackles of England - they will be on par with the Netherlands and Ireland, at the heart/core of the EU.
I do enjoy reading the rants of Doomsday Preppers. lol Have all the DDP's stocked up with 2 or is it 10 years worth of food and water to survive the end of the modern era - if you are NOT a person happy /content living in the EU with all it's right's for Citizens (not just BUSINESS) - I suggest you move to Rhodesia and live in Zimbabwe under Mugabe and then you might appreciate what WE as EUROPEANS HAVE!
The EU is not going to collapse. The amount that was taken from the Greeks for example, could easily be given by the Germans or French to 'refresh' their bank account as with Person A above. But it makes good political headlines and it gives naysayers something to argue about and detract each from the real issues in their life.
So carry on, I am enjoying ... I would say rhetoric but it is just mindless parroting of right-wing nut fanatics.
And CHERRY PICKING is Not the solution, closer integration IS!
You are either a total wind up merchart or totally delusional. You do realize that the vast majority of the British public want at MINIMUM a looser relationship with the EU? In fact most polls show a majority for withdrawal. Except for yourself and a few lunatic fringe Lib Dems there is nobody calling for greater integration in the UK.
Even Labour's policy chief John Cruddas is calling for a referendum, it's not just those on the right of British politics demanding a change. Some of the EU's fiercest critics are from the left.
There will be a new settlement and looser ties between London and Brussels, of that you can be sure.
I personally would vote to stay in the EU,if you want to achieve change its always easier to do from the inside,and not if your seen as a `foreigner`.
But,as was mentioned by the Swedish press..Dagens Nyheter, I would oppose any move to change from our own currency,`£` to the euro. I believe from a friend who lives in Stockholm,that the vote the Swedish people had resulted in a reaounding NO to the `euro`, Im afraid I would do similar.
I would also want the UK governed by `our` own elected parliament,and not by some faceless beurocrat in Brussels,making dissions affecting US who may or nor even be able to speak English. Before any comment is made, I am not having a go at the German Chancellor Angela Merkel,who I believe can speak `english`,but prefers not to.
I also believe that to leave the EU would not help anyone,including Britain,and after all the EU does have more to do than try to meddle in member states affairs. After all it has played an important role in keeping the peace through out Europe for 60 years,so its not that bad.
However,and theres alot of things David Cameron is doing that I do not support, But I do support him in refusing to give up our `British Sovereignty`...for me that is non negociable,and talking to some `locals` about it a few weeks ago in Stockholm...I think the Swedish view is the same.
The Brits I believe,as with the Swedes,want to remain in EU,but not at the cost of giving up both countries `Sovereignty,currency and independance to those in Brussels.
No offence to anyone intended....but in thr 1940`s, most of our countries fought a war agianst a certain `idological idiot` who thought he cought tell everyone what to do,how to do it,and when to do it, that was one reason for forming the EU,so nothing like that could happen again....so why would I want the UK, `My Country` ruled by Brussels......Answer to that is I Dont.
We have enough faceless burocrats trying to tell us what to do or making stupid rules up.....we dont need any help that way from Brussels.
Like was it straigh bananas,or square tomatoes.
We need EU for trade,and also peace keeping,...if everyone is standing and working together,the EU is a good thing....but trying to meddle in members affairs,or impose rules and regulations on people without support is no good to anyone.l
@dukesy: How'd they do in Bosnia? The important role in ending that bloody conflict was played by America, while all those peaceful Europeans stood by and watched the slaughter.