Published: 27 Feb 13 14:20 CET | Print version
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The movement of people across borders is a powerful engine for growth, putting pressure on policy makers worldwide to compete to attract talent, argue government ministers Gunilla Karlsson and Tobias Billstrom.
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Having said that, I don't understand WHY does Sweden's immigration policy is focused on accepting refugees with no skills or cultural similarities and deny hard-working skilled Europeans and non-Europeans. It buffles me.
Because of this non-sensical policy, non-thinkers like the individual above me on number 1 comment make stupid misinformed comments they do not understand themselves. If he is Hungarian and American, even if caucasian, Hungary not long ago was non-EU and American.. some people....
Based on your suggestion, i would like to see what happens when you want to break away from the next in line dominating economic power, china!
I would also like to see how many sweds would want to stop immigrating to china for jobs.
I guess the govt wants to create a labour force, that can be exploited in future. Hence, decreasing the cost of employees . Its just a guess. Thus, any unskilled and ill-equipped person who can be exploited is better than someone who has skills and can thus move to another country!
* Sweden want Swedish speaking experts in computer science, medicine etc. to IMMIGRATE to Sweden, funny! :)
Skilled immigrants demand respect, money, personal growth and no-discrimination. Is Sweden ready?
I dont think anyone would want to leave their country just like that. No one wants to be standing in the middle where the new hosts will not completely acknowledge him or her to be their skin nor the former country would accept him or her to be completely its own citizen. There are always issues related to security, economy which forces people to search for better place. In other words, in order for them to survive it gets necessary for them to move out.
Yes, people from developed countries should not be allowed to move out as THEY dont have major reasons related to their survival!
I can not comment on refugees, as according to the govt me you and majority of us are immigrants. As Noris has stated above, skilled labour should be the criteria instead of skin color! (I know you didnt say anything about skin color)
You seem to have missed my point.
Talented people are hard to find. Fortunately for Sweden there are plenty of talented people here already. Why encourage talented people to abandon their home countries and move to Sweden?
These people are desperately needed to help turn their third world countries into first world countries. Doctors, engineers, professors all have great value in a third world economy. Of course if they really want to leave, that's up to them. But Sweden shouldnt encourage them. The moral thing to do is encourage them to stay where they are and make a success of their own country.
It's cheaper to hire a doctor from India than to train one for yourself, also if you hadn't noticed the education standards are very poor across EU and N America; and then there is the OAP time bomb which has started in Sweden and is about to start in the rest of EU and North America and not enough of the next generation to replace tax payers that are about to retire.
I agree with the section about remittance. They are a lot here who have removed their families from poverty.
The suggestion that skilled people should stay in their own home countries and help develop them is laughable. These people will end up "wasting" their skills and education. These migrants will help more their home countries by sending remittance money from overseas.
If "Western" people have no problems with buying goods made cheaply in the third world countries and thus exploiting these people, why do they feel so strongly about exploiting the skills of these people in their own backyard? Whether you like it or not, the rick countries will always use the poor countries, one way or another.
Also, Sweden does not have a pro-skilled immigration policy. Sweden has a pro-unskilled immigration policy. Actually the number of work visas issued to people outside EU has been about 2000 - 5000 per year. And not all of those are skilled. While total immigration from outside EU is 60K.
If this really was about getting more workers, then Sweden would restrict its liberal asylum laws, and make it easier to come to Sweden on a work visa.
The problem here is how to accet immigrants tha can contribute to the society and keep out the ones that ae comming here by the thousands just to lie of the social benefit and become social leaches.
The Educated Swedes leave the country to work, The educated immigrants studying here are not allow to stay, bur the unskilled ones are welcomed to get a free check from us the taxpayers, something dont make sence here.. But in the other side Sweden in a cuture of paradoxes and appearances..
I wouldn't generalize like that. I speak on an individual basis here. There are people who simply cannot stay in their native country due to various reasons. It might be more so in the developing world than the developed. Be it political persecution, war, natural disaster, financial meltdown, social instability, family matters or whatever reason. Therefore, you will ALWAYS find talented people who have to live away from home. The policy makers need to face this as a fact rather than relying on wishful thinking. From there on, if the policy of the host country is shaped in such a way that utilizes the maximum potential of such talented individuals, it's win-win for everyone. The host will benefit, the immigrant in question also finds opportunities of personal development and fulfillment.
Nice story,i'm LMAO
I have no doubt that, as you say, the host country and a well-educated immigrant will both benefit from a move from a third world country. But the third world country most certainly will not. That is my point. Only that!
A third world country that incessantly has its best talent cherry picked and leeched by mega-rich Sweden and others, will for ever more, remain a third world country with all the poverty and strife that goes with it. Always dependent on massive amounts of first-world foreign aid, used to sustain those that came in second place and below in life's lottery.
Perhaps the third world might benefit from a little less focus by Sweden on what is good for Sweden, and a little more focus on what is good for the people of the third world left behind to struggle on.
As I clearly wrote before, there are those who want to, or have to, abandon their own country. I was clearly not referring to those people. I was and am referring to those talented people who are actively head hunted by Sweden from the place where they are most needed, and can do most good (the third world), by a first-world, mega-rich country that has more than enough talent of its own. Or would have, it it took the trouble to educate its own people properly.
It seems remarkably immoral to me.
Also, the reason they leave is because they can't get provided in their home country. If you are highly educated in a third world country and get a good job, then why leave. There is normally a glut of qualified workers in third world countries, hence if someone very qualified leave it just means more opportunities for the rest.
There has been plenty of emigration from China. Still growth rates in China are very good.
You know what really would benefit third world. Stop trying to be compassionate fools, and deal with your own issues. No country has ever been dragged up by Swedish help, as Sweden has no clue what makes a country rich and a country poor. So the opposite is true. Sweden should focus more on its own issues and stop trying to be the saviour of the world.
If you need to leave your country, I hardly think Sweden is the first country to leave to. Its actually very hard to get into Sweden, and only the richer poor can afford getting to Sweden. The ones who really need help can't afford going to Sweden.
Sweden is not mega-rich, it's one of the weakest countries when it comes to brain-drain from the 3rd world. The biggest headhunters are undoubtedly the English-speaking countries, most prominently USA. By actively discouraging the talented immigrants from staying, you end up encouraging them to move the countries that drain even more. This doesn't help the 3rd world in any way, since the countries that drain the brains mostly are also the biggest exploiters of the 3rd world. If you swap the word "Sweden" in #24 for USA, then we have an agreement.
To make the point that home countries cannot provide for the talented immigrants, here's one example. A Chinese girl I met in Uppsala graduated with masters degree in biology. Her expertise is in evolutionary biology, within this field there is nothing she could get in China (which is why she came to Sweden for master in the first place). She wanted to work as a PhD in Sweden, then the professor who offered the position postponed the offer indefinitely, making it impossible to stay. Now she's doing her PhD in Switzerland. If she were to go back to China she may end up teaching biology in middle school and she's way overqualified for that.
What more do you want. Europeans have populated Canada, North & South American, Australia and New Zealand.
If you are not happy with the ever-changing face of Europe, there is always the moon. It's very white you know!