This is going to be a little long and boring….I have a poison headache – since last night – I’ve been so angry since somebody told me so triumphantly that he is now raising his ward, a Muslim kid, on a pork diet and that the kid now relishes pork as a delicacy. I wanted to punch him, would still like to punch him and if I did the headache would probably go away. Only thing is that if I punched him the way I would like to punch him, he’d quake or croak and then I’d be in shit creek. Don’t know if I should call his ward a kid either. When I was the kid’s age I wasn’t doing less than excellently in my A levels.
Many thanks for your latest elucidations and enlightened points of view although I don’t share all of them with you.
I’ll stick closely to your lines. Re – your “apologies for the delay – have to spend a little time with the nippers after all.”
Thanks to you I’ve just learned a new word : Nippers. Or maybe I haven’t, because at first sight – and I could still be right – I didn’t quite catch you there - I thought that “nippers” referred to nipples – and aha you had been busy or hard at work with it as in
Under the Christmas tree
who likes to lie with me – or
turn his merry note
Unto the sweet birds throat
and let my lizard speak to thee
all night long etc….. ( something of the sort)
Or maybe it was a Freudian slip for nappies – and you had been taking care of the “no-neck monster”? And no Sir , I wouldn’t dare call your young Battler Britton that!
Nippers/ nappies…kippers/ keepers….but I now realise that you could not have been confessing to being so naughty, publicly…..
Well, the last posts got me thinking that they didn’t call him Sherlock Holmes for nothing, dear Dr. Watson, nor is his museum situated just a stone’s throw away from the Central Mosque of 146 Park Road, London, by accident. Ricky Methven (Ricky Nelson too) had better know that I think that not only Mossad but also the British Isles’ MI5 and other counter-terrorist units must surely have that place under surveillance, and that’s long after the mid 90s when I popped in for a few lectures that were being delivered there by Cat Stevens. He’s a great teacher. On one occasional I was going to go home with Mr. Islam – but by the time we got to the car ( I was so wrapped up in what he was saying) that it was only then that I realised that I had left my shoes in the masjid……so it was “Wa Salaam..” – to him. I tell you this so that you know that I’m not at all biased against al-Islam with regard to spiritual and intellectual development – it’s the political and military-apocalyptic intentions and the un-Islamic opposition to Islam’s dreams of world domination that is the cause of all the problems.
I award you eight points (out of ten) for your explanation to your 4-year-old. In two years time I fear that I might do less well should I have to explain the same to my two year old grandson whose name rhymes with Shalom. He’s already gone through two dozen DVDs of Bamse, Alfons Åberg, Laban etc. and he actually watched the first part of Karl-Bertil Jonssons Julafton, sitting on my lap, like me, too young to have noticed the Nazi flag flap…..so he didn’t ask me “ What’s that?”#
“who had to be stopped. And whilst fighting is never the course of action one would wish to pursue, sometimes we have to do it regardless.” – Hitler’s Mufti Haj Amin no doubt must have been thinking along the same lines and ardently encouraging Adolf his best friend to the greater jihad of extermination with identical words: ”We have to do it regardless”.
Yes , Shard, your 4 year-old “should be proud ‘we’ fought them, and to never forget that.”
On this point of course I have always been in complete agreement with my step-father – a Scot – who served in the royal navy during the war – didn’t talk much about it until Germany scored the equalizing goal just before full time, in the World cup final between England and Germany.
( I have equal parts of German and English in me – on my father’s side)
I feel less comfortable about the “we” fought them – “ we” as in “We Sweden” … because we (We Sweden) did not fight them as ferociously as we the Allies……
Still on war, you say that “since wielding the keyboard does not a warrior make, it is just as well.” -
Are you now renouncing the adage that “the pen is mightier than the sword”? Is it no longer apt? Valid?
Might as well here mention the traditional anti-Islam bias, that Islam was spread by the sword – certainly not to the most populous Islamic nation , Indonesia who got Islam through being impressed by the honesty of Muslim tradesmen. As you know in Islam the right hand is the good hand. The left is used for wiping the ess after visiting the bathroom – and this has meant that you don’t hold the Quran with the left hand. Haram. Bernard Lewis mentions the impossibility of the Islamic nation being a nation of left-handed swordsmen who spread Islam by the sword , negating the idea of a “ Saracen riding out of the desert on horseback with a sword in one hand and a Koran in the other offering their victims a choice between the two “
Yeah, “one man’s terrorist is another man’s fox terrier”. Fox terrier. That’s what the Muslim terrorist calls Shamir. They don’t like dogs. If they knew the word nipper, they’d probably call him that too.
My advice to Lars Vilks and his ilk is that they had better be very careful…..
You opened a new can of worms with your, “ I can sympathise if not empathise with armed struggle against an occupying power no matter if that power is ones own nation”. Occupying power? Are the Brits occupying Great Britain? Do you need permission to build in London? The notion of “occupation” deserves a new thread which lays the issue to rest for once and for all. For now, I’ll just refer you to this for you to chew on :
As Chaim Weizmann said to Lord Balfour when Balfour proposed Uganda as a new homeland for the Jewish people – “ but we had Jerusalem when London was still a marsh!” - so, are you in sympathy with mufti al-Husseini who allied with Hitler to occupy Britain? How do you explain this Mi Lord? If his dreams (your nightmare) had come true before or after the Battle of Britain we would have had to fight that occupation – and as Sir Winston said, and “never surrender!”
How many times has the continued Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria not been under occupation?
One of my favourite movies is “The Battle of Algiers” and after watching that film you’d be supporting Turkey’s accusation about French genocide in Algeria, if you do not agree with the French…..
What you say about Yitzhak Shamir – is particularly sensitive in Sweden, since Count Bernadotte a member of the Swedish Royal family was assassinated in Jerusalem. This was discussed briefly in this exchange with Trowbridge H. Ford. re –
We could go into greater detail about the exact sequence of events leading to the tragic assassination of Count Bernadotte and the immediate aftermath as recorded in Robert St. John’s book Ben-Gurion
Facetious? Yes. You ask “Does that mean they challenge all articles that not pro-israel, or the inaccurate ones which are anti? If it’s the former, then I side with Rick and see that as an act of censorship, but if it’s purely a cause for correcting misinformation, then surely that is a good thing for the truth. “.
I reply, Up the anti !
More often than not it’s wrong “facts” & distortions in the service of supporting anti-Israel articles. Period.
“to spout blatantly racist and bigoted comments” would be in contravention of the much vaunted guidelines – unless it’s one of them up there in The Local’s control tower…
You say that you couldn’t disagree with me more on “this Eidelberg chap though, the man is the antithesis of the sort that should be forming governments or opinions of people. Indeed the fifth article bemoans democracy in israel and would have it replaced with religious fanatics.”?
I’m sure that my mentor, hard-liner Professor Eidelberg is confident
that my sword is unsheathed and in my right hand,
that the keyboard will be pounded,
that in the Almighty I trust and therefore I am also keeping my gunpowder dry -.not only that, but also that “ One must never stand in a place of danger expecting a miracle to protect the faithful” ( Talmud, Kiddushin 39B)
Try building a church in Mecca or anywhere in Saudi Arabia, if you would like to….
Re . “this time a poisonous little piece about Christopher Hitchens’ death. whilst I thought the guy was an arrogant and often impolite ego-maniac, he was not the anti-semite of the article.”
Yeah, Hitchens… poor guy. Perhaps not such a bad anti-Semite after all. He’s most probably burning and burning bright (in hell right now) if some of the Bishops could have it their way, but not “in Jesus name”, for his book, ” God is not Great”
“…that we might live in freedom of thought, speech, and expression” did you say?
I watched the other one, le bâtard grande, bad boi Richard Dawkins, another arrogant, presumptuous and egregious son of soup and author of “The God Delusion ” chatting with Zainab Badawi at 4.30 this morning, after which I read your updates…..
Re – “I take your points on self defence, and they are natural to make, however justification of pre-emptive self-defence is at best dodgy. An innocent is an innocent, pure and simple. Once one starts to hypothesise on the innocent’s potential as a future aggressor then I’m afraid the lid to the box has been opened. Taking the same premise, should then these promulgators of such books be exterminated on their premise that they pose a real risk to multiple lives in the future? “
I am not entirely comfortable with that, as in some cases it would demand some powers of precognition.The religiously sanctioned imperative does not say that when the terrorist is on his way to doing his thing he should be apprehended or arrested etc….. it says that he should be terminated……take no chances about him or her undergoing a change of mind or heart in the last minute.
With regard to your hypothesise on “the innocent’s potential as a future aggressor” I should kindly advise you to take a closer look at the law concerning Amalek – who did not fear God and attacked God’s people from behind…..
Is this argument / comparison valid about the adherents of Islam “ the final religion” who live in Islamic lands?
“It took the bulk of the so-called christian west 1900 years to get to somewhere close to true democracy (are we really living in democracies? Perhaps a topic for another thread…) so on that basis the majority of Islamic nations have 600 years before “we” can point the finger. Hope it doesn’t take that long.”
Professor Eidelberg has some stark words in response to that one and many commentators have been debating the issue of whether Islam is compatible with (Western style) Democracy. The debates continue. In my opinion with even marginal reforms, of course Muslim counties can enjoy government of the people, for the people, by the people – according to Islamic guidelines.
You say that “a religiously oriented government is not a good thing. “ etc. which means that you are in opposition to the tenets of Vilayat- i-faqih as being implemented in the Islamic Republic of Iran? You deny them the right to exist as an Islamic Republic? You would prefer if they did it your way?
Your words : “So whilst I’m no supporter of a Jewish State, I have no problem with israel, a State of Jews. Jews, Christians, Muslim, Hindu, Jedi – it doesn’t matter to me. Just as long as their beliefs aren’t the driving force behind their decision-making that affects real life, and real people. “
So say many of the anti-Semites and the anti-Zionists before you – they are one and the same people.
And as for the Islamists – the descendants of Ishmael the other son of Aba Arbraham, they already have 22 Arab states and they would like to transform Israel into the 23rd Arab state and call it the Islamic Republic of the Pals or as a province of Syria.
Do I need to say more?
For good measure: ( especially the last few day’s daily alert) :
A short note to Mr. Methven @ comment 67 10:22 December 28, 2011
There is too much racist, malicious, anti-Semitic “criticism” out there. Such criticism has to be engaged.
Even as you allege that Israel goes to “extreme lengths to attack and suppress any hint of criticism of its policy or actions” – you are aware that there is freedom of thought, freedom of speech and a free press in Israel, aren’t you?
Here are three historic examples which I’m sure would amuse you and most surely go down well with your favourite bottle of wine. It’s from page 215 of Robert St. John’s “Ben-Gurion”:
“To a Jerusalem reporter who asked for an interview he sent this written reply:
“I do not give interviews to journalists (a) because I am a journalist myself and whatever I say to the public I do so in my own way, and ( b) the first reason is sufficient.
“ Once an Israel paper printed an exposé of a cabinet member whom it accused of selling his apartment to the government at a profit. Ben-Gurion called it an “aesthetic error” and denounced the paper for “ besmirching men in public office”
His favourite answer to an Israel reporter who asks him a question is:
“ I write for the press myself” Then he quickly added , “Not for financial reasons, but to be sure I am quoted correctly.”