Comments on: SAAB and the environment http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/ Well, I\'ve now moved to Cardiff, UK for studies so you\'ll get to follow all of my new experiences. Like living on my own for the first time. In a new country. Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:01:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Roger http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-112 Roger Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:20:10 +0000 http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/?p=424#comment-112 Apologies - failed to spot that you didn't write the response prior to my last one. Apologies – failed to spot that you didn’t write the response prior to my last one.

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]]> By: Roger http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-111 Roger Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:44:00 +0000 http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/?p=424#comment-111 Your post is full of vague attempted rebuttals which do nothing to address my core point. To rewind, your post was a whinge that the closure of SAAB and the prospect of immediate mass unemployment in certain areas squeezed out coverage of C'hagen. This is errant nonsense. One would have to be deaf and blind to miss the C'hagen coverage, even with the SAAB news popping up. Furthermore, the SAAB issue is a tragedy for many thousands of Swedes, of course it should be covered in depth. Its rather to arrogant to assume that you know how the news should be prioritised for the Swedish public ? What is it that makes you qualified to make that call ? Your post is full of vague attempted rebuttals which do nothing to address my core point.

To rewind, your post was a whinge that the closure of SAAB and the prospect of immediate mass unemployment in certain areas squeezed out coverage of C’hagen. This is errant nonsense. One would have to be deaf and blind to miss the C’hagen coverage, even with the SAAB news popping up. Furthermore, the SAAB issue is a tragedy for many thousands of Swedes, of course it should be covered in depth.

Its rather to arrogant to assume that you know how the news should be prioritised for the Swedish public ? What is it that makes you qualified to make that call ?

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]]> By: sawi http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-110 sawi Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:32:23 +0000 http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/?p=424#comment-110 If your concerned about global warming did you ever stop and think that maybe closing of companies like Saab and others in the west will and are effecting the environment and global warming? We have watched as entire factories and industries through out the established industrial world have moved their production to places like China were some of the dirtiest energy in the world (large coal power plants without emission controls burning some of the dirtiest coal) is used to make our goods that were previously made with far more concern for the environment. The cheap goods and the huge corporate profits come at an enormous environmental cost. Figuring out how to equalize the playing field so companies can't profit by lack environmental and emissions standards should be a concern. If your concerned about global warming did you ever stop and think that maybe closing of companies like Saab and others in the west will and are effecting the environment and global warming?

We have watched as entire factories and industries through out the established industrial world have moved their production to places like China were some of the dirtiest energy in the world (large coal power plants without emission controls burning some of the dirtiest coal) is used to make our goods that were previously made with far more concern for the environment.

The cheap goods and the huge corporate profits come at an enormous environmental cost. Figuring out how to equalize the playing field so companies can’t profit by lack environmental and emissions standards should be a concern.

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]]> By: Roger http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-109 Roger Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:21:49 +0000 http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/?p=424#comment-109 You rather miss the point of my post. You made a rather casual dismissal of the suffering of thousands - reread your inlägg. Were it your own family involved I doubt you would have adopted this attitude. You write that the Swedish labour market will survive this collapse. Do you possess a crystal ball ? How do you know that Trollhättan won't end up like other run-down former industrial centres in Europe ? Of course you don't have a clue, any more than I do. However, unlike you I'm not engaged in wishful thinking. The SAAB story is serious business and serious attention needs to be paid to it. Governments act when people are aware of issues and force them to act. As for the climate issue, I suggest you compare coverage in the Swedish media with that in the wider international media. In Sweden we see almost blanket coverage of the whole issue. You're lucky in that the topic which most engages you is so heavily reported and in a manner favourable to the AGW cause. Try not to begrudge some of your fellows Swedes the opportunity to claim a bit of airspace to draw attention to the plight of sudden mass unemployment and the potential devastation of the economies of some towns. You rather miss the point of my post. You made a rather casual dismissal of the suffering of thousands – reread your inlägg. Were it your own family involved I doubt you would have adopted this attitude. You write that the Swedish labour market will survive this collapse. Do you possess a crystal ball ? How do you know that Trollhättan won’t end up like other run-down former industrial centres in Europe ? Of course you don’t have a clue, any more than I do. However, unlike you I’m not engaged in wishful thinking. The SAAB story is serious business and serious attention needs to be paid to it. Governments act when people are aware of issues and force them to act.

As for the climate issue, I suggest you compare coverage in the Swedish media with that in the wider international media. In Sweden we see almost blanket coverage of the whole issue. You’re lucky in that the topic which most engages you is so heavily reported and in a manner favourable to the AGW cause. Try not to begrudge some of your fellows Swedes the opportunity to claim a bit of airspace to draw attention to the plight of sudden mass unemployment and the potential devastation of the economies of some towns.

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]]> By: Louice Tapper Jansson http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Louice Tapper Jansson Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:05:32 +0000 http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/?p=424#comment-108 I have studied the 20th century European history and I have knowledge about the ups and downs of the economy in the previous century. Of course it's a tragedy for those employed that now will be put out of work and an effect of this will be that the labour market in Gothenburg will get overloaded. Other than that, the Swedish market and economy will survive this. SAAB has been an unsuccessful company for years and the closedown should not have come as a surprise. Time's changing and companies are coming and going. However, more people will get affected by the consequences of the global warming and a global deal is more necessary than SAAB surving another year. The only option for them to survive would have been if the Swedish government had contributed with more grants, but in my view tax payers are not responsible for SAAB's failure. I have studied the 20th century European history and I have knowledge about the ups and downs of the economy in the previous century. Of course it’s a tragedy for those employed that now will be put out of work and an effect of this will be that the labour market in Gothenburg will get overloaded. Other than that, the Swedish market and economy will survive this. SAAB has been an unsuccessful company for years and the closedown should not have come as a surprise. Time’s changing and companies are coming and going. However, more people will get affected by the consequences of the global warming and a global deal is more necessary than SAAB surving another year. The only option for them to survive would have been if the Swedish government had contributed with more grants, but in my view tax payers are not responsible for SAAB’s failure.

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]]> By: Roger http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/2009/12/19/saab-and-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Roger Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:01:33 +0000 http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/louicemindsthegap/?p=424#comment-107 The closure of the SAAB factories probably won't affect my life in a big way either. However, that's besides the point - it will decimate the local economies of several Swedish regions. Many people will be thrown onto the dole and may never work again (judging from the employment statistics from previous downturns in Sweden). It is an utter tragedy for many people. Show some empathy. You come across as being an immature idealist writing from a weak knowledge base. Your life has so far been spent as a recipient of other people's taxes (eg SAAB workers). A well functioning economy gave you your education and health and supported Sweden's democratic society. If you disbelieve me regarding this latter point then study twentieth century European history and see what happens when the economy weakens. The environment is certainly important but a balance must be struck. The closure of the SAAB factories probably won’t affect my life in a big way either. However, that’s besides the point – it will decimate the local economies of several Swedish regions. Many people will be thrown onto the dole and may never work again (judging from the employment statistics from previous downturns in Sweden). It is an utter tragedy for many people. Show some empathy. You come across as being an immature idealist writing from a weak knowledge base.

Your life has so far been spent as a recipient of other people’s taxes (eg SAAB workers). A well functioning economy gave you your education and health and supported Sweden’s democratic society. If you disbelieve me regarding this latter point then study twentieth century European history and see what happens when the economy weakens.

The environment is certainly important but a balance must be struck.

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