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Residance Permit to your Parents ,Put ur opinon

Is it Right for SWE citizen or PUT holder like USA

Hisingen
post 8.Mar.2013, 12:06 AM
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Location: Västra Götaland
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You can always try the Sverigedemocrats, I am sure they would simply love to accommodate you and yours. they say they serve Sweden.
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No matter what, you cannot expect everyone to bend over backwards just to please you, you are but a minnow in the stream as are we all.
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ahm
post 8.Mar.2013, 12:20 AM
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Hisingen Thank you

Im sure that if you are immigrant from non EU countries ,loving your parents and not a selfish

You will then agree with me or at least feel .
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Mar.2013, 08:02 AM
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Seriously though! One needs to define parent.

In approx 50 countries in the world, mainly Muslim ones, polygamy is legal, which means that in theory there can be more than 2 parents for a child in the family! Since Sweden does not allow polygamy, who is the parent?

What if You were adopted? Is it the biological parents or the adoptive parents ? or all 4?

If one parent dies, and re-marries, do you only cover 1 biological parent, or both in the relationship?

Do you restrict it to biological parents only? ...so adopted children couldn't bring their parents?

Since we are all children, even our parents have parents ...so then doesn't this mean that the chain can go through several generation, plus all the complications with regards Who is the parent? It can not only become complex, but also 1 person can suddenly multiply into very many!

And, don't be too sure about who your parents really are!!!... let's say it was restricted to biological parents ...a study done some time ago in the UK, where they were DNA testing subjects for research, showed that in certain areas between 10% to 30% of fathers were actually not the fathers of the children but didn't know it. In another test in the USA they found upto 30% of fathers were not really the fathers. In Wales out of all the fathers that request DNA tests found that 60% were not the fathers of their children. It doesn't matter where in the world ...humans are instinctively animals that have a basic urge to reproduce, and the most likely time a woman will cheat is when she is most fertile, and the reason for cheating at that moment is to pick up a stronger DNA match (there is research out there that supports this) ...there is a saying that goes something like ...Who a woman would like to spend the rest of her life with, may not be the same person with whom she may want to create children with. And Men ...well, let's face it ...We are dogs! It it moves, hump-it biggrin.gif

It is always said that the one thing we can be sure of is who the Mother is ...well biggrin.gif ...in the case of egg donations and implantations ...a DNA test might just show that not to be quite correct anymore either.

It isn't as straight forward as you would like to believe ...and it may actually cause more problems for the families involved than just trying to get permits! Are You ready to find out that maybe one of your parents isn't actually your parent, and would you still want to give them a permit...what about religious consequences where adultary would be a severe penalty!

It is indeed a tricky issue!
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ahm
post 8.Mar.2013, 01:00 PM
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I mean DNA parents , and in case you want complications , i can tell that you allowed to get 2 only in your life .'

Thats represent typical pappa and mamma , NEVER allow bad people screw the whole thing .JUST put laws to accept 2 only as a family ties resident permit .And if his dad or mom married the country will not affected cause its TWO only -

THE PRIORTY WILL GET PLACE WHEN 2 IS PERMESSIBLE cool.gif

I solved what Politicians supposed to say
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Mar.2013, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (ahm @ 8.Mar.2013, 01:00 PM) *
I mean DNA parents , and in case you want complications , i can tell that you allowed to get 2 only in your life .'

So, you exclude all children whose DNA parents are dead and/or never known, just because DNA doesn't match. In the case of fertility treatments, egg donations, the DNA parent may not be the parent... and up went the cries of descrimination! (continual legal actions, and appeals etc... cost a lot of tax payers monies)

QUOTE (ahm @ 8.Mar.2013, 01:00 PM) *
Thats represent typical pappa and mamma , NEVER allow bad people screw the whole thing .JUST put laws to accept 2 only as a family ties resident permit .And if his dad or mom ... (show full quote)

And once they they are here, like You, can start to claim they have rights and spend my tax monies on bringing my parents, and each of those 2 would want the right to bring in 2 other on family ties ... or shouldn't those parents also have rights?...
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ahm
post 8.Mar.2013, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 8.Mar.2013, 12:20 PM) *
So, you exclude all children whose DNA parents are dead and/or never known, just because DNA doesn't match. In the case of fertility treatments, egg donations, the DNA par ... (show full quote)


MY friend the in normal case your PARENTS are old 45+ and more , their parents are dead or not capable to come heavy tough worst snowy country like SWEDEN , and

Im not your enemy to waste your money , its family ties , as SWEDEN accepting non educated and worst people in the EARTH cause his or her partner are swedish or EU citizen working in Sweden , so old parents deserve the same treat .

In one side Sweden accepting bad non-productive and non-educated as SAMBO visa whether Swedish partner or EU partner in sweden , But Government not welcoming doctors ,pharmacist ,Engineers ,Phd holders ,,,cause they are skilled workers .

In Another side Sweden accepting 50,000 refugees or persons who need protection every year , and those people need your country health care , education , financial support , accomodation , taxes ,,,, and they cant produce before minimum of 3 years after landing .


So , who is wasting your money ,taxes ? whats the no. of parents who should come , cause YOU KNOW THAT MANY IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT INETRESTED IN THIS ISSUE, they want to live alone .

So, im talking about law , we need this new law , Family/parents ties visa .
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ahm
post 8.Mar.2013, 04:31 PM
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((((((So, you exclude all children whose DNA parents are dead and/or never known, just because DNA doesn't match. In the case of fertility treatments, egg donations, the DNA parent may not be the parent... and up went the cries of descrimination! (continual legal actions, and appeals etc... cost a lot of tax payers monies)))))))

Im not excluding these whose have non DNA parents , but i was talking about DNA like mine , BUT ofcourse DNA or non-DNA are included to Max of two BECAUSE NORMAL CASE SAID EACH PERSON HAS TWO PARENTS ,so im excluding more .
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Mar.2013, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE (ahm @ 8.Mar.2013, 04:27 PM) *
MY friend the in normal case your PARENTS are old 45+ and more , their parents are dead or not capable to come heavy tough worst snowy country like SWEDEN , and

There are certain countries where it is legal under law to marry and have sex with girls as soon as they reach puberty (read: children). This potentially creates a situation where there can be several generations of parents, sorry! sad.gif

In addition to that, during 2012 came 3500+ children to Sweden on their own seeking protection, and quite common is that the parents come later, since minors can bring their children afterwards, but those parents may not always be that old! ...so the number of potential people coming to Sweden under your rule would be vast. Granted, many of those children, mainly the boys, (50%) come from Afghanistan and are sent here by the Taliban that have used them for sex up until they reach puberty, and the compensation to them and their families is that the Taliban pay for the trip and entry into Sweden & other Western Countries.

QUOTE (ahm @ 8.Mar.2013, 04:27 PM) *
In Another side Sweden accepting 50,000 refugees or persons who need protection every year , and those people need your country health care , education , financial support , a ... (show full quote)

It would probably upset You then to know that it actually takes between 1 and 2 Generations for many groups of refugees to become contributors to Sweden, and for certain groups from africa it is unknown since they haven't as-yet! So the cost You talk about is actually far greater ...on the other side of the coin, refugees have no place to go and are only a minority of the total number of permits granted, around 10-15% ...but those that are given protection after claiming asylum for other grounds...that is a different story, in the rest of Europe the average granting of asylum is around 25% of applications received (ie. 75% rejected), where-as in Sweden it is currently at 50% granted, if you look even more closely you will find that a few years ago the granting of asylum was given at a rate of around 25% ...why has it risen? The routine changed in MV there is more pressure to process applications quicker and within 90 days or less from reception (Government set target) ...the reorganisation and change in processing means that MV case officers no longer have the time required to investigate sufficiently, it is quicker to approve than to reject (requires legal reason that might be challenged in appeal) ...looking at the data you will see that if you take the past, current and project into the future, it is only a matter of a couple of years that granting of asylum will reach 75% of applications submitted.

Why do they speed it up and process quicker? ...it is simple mistake in belief of optimisation, they are sub-optimising government bodies, Migrationsverket save money by being more efficient, can be seen in the costs ... whilst a person is waiting for an asylum decision MV's budget pays the living costs etc... once a decision is made, let's say it is granted, then Social Welfare from the local Kommun then pays the benefits ...they just push the cost along. Classic error in sub-optimising rather than optimising the big picture.

And there is a cost associated with rejections also, where people are not deported, some can't be!

It would make more sense to focus on the total picture, make it efficient and cost effective including integration activities, rather than open the gates wider to let more people (including parents) come. Sweden is basically losing control trying to control! biggrin.gif

It isn't a very easy thing to manage, from our perspective it looks quite simple ... let my parents, girlfriend, boyfriend etc.. come to Sweden ...but there is a big picture, and there are LARGE groups of criminals that will take advantage of any opening to make a profit from trafficking. The cost is huge!
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