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Radiotjänst what the hell is that

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AgeOfReason
post 13.Sep.2013, 08:47 AM
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And if there was a law that said you have to pay a glass-charge for owning glasses that could be used to fill with alcohol, then yes you would have to pay the charge even if you didn't use the glasses for that.

Just because you disagree with the law does not make it right to break the law.
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Ivor stephé
post 13.Sep.2013, 08:57 AM
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The problem is its the actual codec which is the real key to watching a state owned broadcast.
As with the glass analogy, you could use a glass to hold flowers or eat cereal.

But the big difference today is that radiotjanst have reclaimed the use of a technology that has been designed for something else and added it as almost a tax.

A technology that is covered in a array of different patents.

The mobile phone was never designed to be a TV
The average computer was never designed with the specific intention of being a TV either.

Yet both pieces of technology have been repossessed by radiotjansts partners, since they designed technology that could allow their content onto these devices.

A technology that that has no licencing in terms of distribution or possibility to see its location.
With the intention of charging everyone.

But as mentioned before, this technology often requires a 3rd party codec.
And its this codec which should be the real definition of what qualifies for a fee to be just.
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Hisingen
post 13.Sep.2013, 09:09 AM
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As I understand it, Radiotjänst is examining the rules and regs regarding what can constitute a means of receiving TV. When the licence was initially introduced, there was little more than a TV that could reproduce TV programmes. Since the '50's there have been colossal changes in the way we can view TV, smart phones, computers, tablets, no doubt somewhere even wrist watches, so it is natural that there must be a re-think. But still the idea is one licence per household, and not a licence for each individual 'receiver'. So much has been said about all the differing means, but many have forgotten that it is still only one licence per household, irrespective of how many items can be used for viewing TV.
I guess we will have to wait and see what transpires.

No real reason to cry wolf until we can actually see one, despite all the so-called barrack room lawyers on here who know so much more than even the law-makers themselves.
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Ivor stephé
post 13.Sep.2013, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (Hisingen @ 13.Sep.2013, 08:09 AM) *
As I understand it

Says it all really, doesn't it.
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xtenzion2
post 13.Sep.2013, 12:40 PM
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Sweden, our job is to make simple things complicated.

There is an old Russian saying that complicated is not always bad.

Here in australia they just take it out of our tax, plain and simple.
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AgeOfReason
post 13.Sep.2013, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (xtenzion2 @ 13.Sep.2013, 01:40 PM) *
Here in australia they just take it out of our tax, plain and simple.

And this is what the Center Right want to do here, but the Center and Center Left object because Radiotjänst employees would lose their jobs!
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Ivor stephé
post 13.Sep.2013, 02:21 PM
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At present the fee collected is classed as a fee, even though the tactics used to generate revenue within the law operate in a similar manner to taxes in terms of the fear of god in threats.

You really need to ask yourself why the fee was re-classed as a fee instead of a tax in these later years. Personally I believe it has more to do with accountability and political branding more than anything else.

If it was to be absorbed into the tax structure it would become more accountable in regards to quality, needs and value. Obviously this is not something the government want as it could lead to reduced income in the future of greater accountability for which channels it supports as part of distributed taxes.

Personally I would like to see the current system changed as it operates through intimidation.
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AgeOfReason
post 13.Sep.2013, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 13.Sep.2013, 03:21 PM) *
You really need to ask yourself why the fee was re-classed as a fee instead of a tax in these later years. Personally I believe it has more to do with accountability and polit ... (show full quote)

It actually is an International Convention for accounting revenue in Goverments. A tax is something that is levied and the payer receives nothing directly in return (eg. income tax, VAT), where-as, a charge results in delivery of a service or something in return for payment (eg. Public Broadcasting). It has nothing to do with being able to choose to pay or receive the service biggrin.gif

In Sweden it also has a little bit to do with the fact that only Parliament can establish, remove, amend taxes, but charges can be made by local authorities and such. And within Europe the rule is that if it is a tax the revenue can be used for anything, where-as the revenue from a charge is ringfenced for a specific purpose.
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