(edit title) Phase 3 work advice Anyone got any information.. Options

[trumanshow]

I read somewhere about a 'phase 3' initiative where arbetsformedling pays some of your salary if you can find someone to employ you - i.e its an incentive for employers to get cheaper labour...stimulate the economy etc. does anyone have any experience of this? rules and regulations, strategies etc.

Apparently in the UK, the postboxes are now painted with gold, things must be looking up in Cameron's Britain, maybe its time to return...

[Yorkshireman]

I read somewhere about a 'phase 3' initiative where arbetsformedling pays some of your salary if you can find someone to employ you - i.e its an incentive for employer ... (show full quote)

I read somewhere about a 'phase 3' initiative where arbetsformedling pays some of your salary if you can find someone to employ you - i.e its an incentive for employers to get cheaper labour...stimulate the economy etc. does anyone have any experience of this? rules and regulations, strategies etc. ... (hide full quote)

Fas-3 is part of the program for dealing with unemployed. One has to go through Fas-1 & 2 first, and if after that You are still unemployed then Fas-3 comes into effect. So, in simple terms You must be unemployed for approx 450 days before FAS-3. The FAS-3 placement can last up to 2 years, and you are paid 65% of, and I cannot remember which, either a-kassa or previous salary? It is not just for any work or employer, the Arbetsförmedlingen do a control check on each employer before they accept that a placement can be given.

And Yes ... as an employer and you do not require specific skills, it can be a way of geting temporary labour at a cheap price! In fact there are many examples of how some companies have pocketed/saved millions from being part of the program, without ever giving any full time jobs afterwards.

[Silberfüchschen]

There are incentives such as "Nystartsjobb" which are meant to make it cheaper for an employer to hire a person who has been unemployed for a long time. The employer then get a contribution from the goverment to cover part of the salary cost.

Fas 3 is however not meant for employment, rather "Sysselsättning", a kind of day care for the unemployed. The organiser do not pay any salary at all, instead they get paid for taking care of the unemployed. Of course there are organisers who use their clients as cheap labour, but that is not the official purpose.

[Great Scott]

Phase 3 is the most atrocious crime being committed today.
Once on phase 3 you are on it until you get another job and because you have qualified for it, you will automatically return to it if you become unemployed again.
You get benefit from Arbetsförmedlingen which is paid to you via försäkringskassan, it is based on 65% of your previous earnings. Minimum benefits are if you come straight from school you get 2300kr after tax per month, if you are over 25 years of age you can expect around 5400kr per month after tax.
You must work for 40 hours a week and Arbetsförmedlingen normally approve any business. There are companies set up to take on unemployed people if they themselves cannot find work.
Any business taking on a phase 3 person gets 6300kr per month for doing so.
Very few businesses ever take on people, why should they when they have free labour and get paid for it.
Some kommuns take on people to clean streets etc., ever seen those people picking up other peoples sh!t, well they are almost certainly phase 3.
If you are not lucky to find a good job it can be the most soul destroying thing you have ever come across.
It is not a person’s fault if there is no work available, many people go through the procedure of applying for hundreds of jobs without even getting a reply. This is a lot of hard work and can be very stressful, the reward phase 3
Phase 3 is counterproductive, it creates further unemployment and is a huge burden on tax payers who unknowingly finance private companies. By the end of this year there will be 47,000 on phase 3. I applaud these people for keeping Sweden’s economy in great shape, as we are told by a not convincing government.
See more here http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobb-_och_utvecklingsgarantin
"Nystartsjobb" only applies to people over 55 years of age.

[Silberfüchschen]

"Nystartsjobb" only applies to people over 55 years of age.

According to the information given at Arbetsförmedlingen's web site, it is applicable to all ages. The requirements are however somewhat more liberal for those over 55 years.

[Case officer]

Phase 3 is the most atrocious crime being committed today.

Still infinitely better than the previous system that allowed unemployed people to sit at home for up to 18 years, receiving unemployment benefits. The phase 3 system is voluntary, you can do what you like with your life.

[skogsbo]

Phase 3 is the most atrocious crime being committed today.

I would disagree, we have just increased our 3phase supply to 20amps, it should cost us no more than about 1000kr per year according to EON.

ps. I thought I would digress the subject to what I thought it was when I opened the thread.

[trumanshow]

i am sort of getting to the point of not being angry about Sweden any more. I mean after all I don't have to be here, its annoying because i have a great partner here and she's slowly coming round to the idea of trying somewhere else. I am finding that meditation works and the thought of writing some sort of Bill Bryson style expose on the country....but is it me or is this country not the total pits? I often fail to find any redeeming factors except for dubious ones like pick and mix and fika. There really are a tremendous number of lovely trees and the attractive people ratio is very high but i feel that the system is a total shakedown. I'm sure you have heard it all before but the people, the work situation, the welfare system, the weather, the expense, noone gives a hoot, noone thinks out of the box, the underlying xenophobia is endemic. I wouldn't mind so much but noone outside of Sweden has any idea that Sweden is anything but a slightly chilly social paradise. Hey ho. Onwards and downwards.

[John.Smith]

I would disagree, we have just increased our 3phase supply to 20amps, it should cost us no more than about 1000kr per year according to EON.ps. I thought I would digress the s ... (show full quote)

I would disagree, we have just increased our 3phase supply to 20amps, it should cost us no more than about 1000kr per year according to EON.

ps. I thought I would digress the subject to what I thought it was when I opened the thread. ... (hide full quote)

What sort of equipment you running on the farm Skogsbo? 3 Phase @ 20amps packs a fair whomp!

[gplusa]

Takes a lot to keep those hydroponics up in the attic running.

[Great Scott]

According to the information given at Arbetsförmedlingen's web site, it is applicable to all ages. The requirements are however somewhat more liberal for those over 55 years.

You are correct, the reason I said 55 years of age was because it only works with this group, there are not enough incentives for companies for other age groups. Even so very few "Nystartsjobb" come about if companies are getting free labour.

Still infinitely better than the previous system that allowed unemployed people to sit at home for up to 18 years, receiving unemployment benefits. The phase 3 system is volun ... (show full quote)

Still infinitely better than the previous system that allowed unemployed people to sit at home for up to 18 years, receiving unemployment benefits. The phase 3 system is voluntary, you can do what you like with your life. ... (hide full quote)

A totally negative comment. Do you not read anything else, such tax payer’s money being handed over without question to private companies? (3,000,000,000kr per year) I don’t think you understand what’s going on here. Most unemployed are not sitting at home doing nothing, they are out searching for jobs. Go to almost any Arbetsförmedlingen and you will see people there searching from the time they open to the time they close and they don’t take fika breaks every 5 minutes like the employed do. Everyone has the right to work and get paid fairly for it.
Phase 3 is NOT voluntary, people are forced to do it, if not they lose their benefit which THEY have paid for over the years. The threat of benefits being taken away for refusing is blackmail, an illegal crime.
It wouldn’t be such a bad idea if the money that is being paid to companies to have free labour went to the unemployed. It makes me laugh how the word compensation for the companies is used, surly free labour is more than enough compensation.
I challenge you to give up your job, and then see the huge queue that wants it. There are not enough jobs in Sweden to go around.

[skogsbo]

What sort of equipment you running on the farm Skogsbo? 3 Phase @ 20amps packs a fair whomp!

yeah, it would give you a little tickle!

The biggest draw is the hay cannon, 400v 16amp, so right on the limited of our current. Which means if the water pump, washing machine or cooker is on at the same time, then it trips. The cooker is easy to monitor, but you can't control things like a water heater coming on, or the water pump/filtration system.

I'm also after a better 3phase bench mounted circular saw too, so it's kind of covering future options too.

[DamnImmigrant]

You ONLY get money in Phase 3 IF and ONLY IF you previously qualified for a-kassa!

If you did not, or do not qualify for any previous a-kassa, you will NOT receive any money while working for phase 3. In this case there is no financial blackmail motive and therefore you do not need to go into Phase 3.

If you did/do have a-kassa, even if it is expired, you will then qualify for 65% (60%?) of the maximum daily payment from a-kassa of 650 kronor. So no matter how high your previous salary was, Phase 3 will pay 422.50 kronor for 8 hours of work!

If you truly need this money to live on then YES, you are being economically blackmailed into going into Phase 3.

[Great Scott]

You are quite right on your first point and this should have been pointed out before.
It is this that makes the whole thing even more frustrating, people who have worked and paid taxes that are struggling to get a job get punished. Whereas someone engaged on Sweden’s other joke a “step in job” (a non EU citizen that hasn’t worked before) can get even more money.
On your second point you are a little misleading here, the amount paid (the 65%) is based on the a-kassa you were receiving. So if you had a low a-kassa e.g. 10000kr per month, then you will get 6500kr per month (325 per day or 40.625kr per hour) before tax. I should also point that a phase 3 person still has the same working overheads as an employed person i.e. travel costs etc.
Note the UK minimum wage is £6.08 (63.70kr) per hour.
As I said early, it would be better if the government were to increase these payments and stop lining the pockets of private companies (this would bring then bring the rate up to the UK minimum wage). However this will not solve Sweden’s huge unemployment problem while companies are receiving FREE labour.
It is rather shocking when you read the Wikipedia article on this subject.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fas_3