(edit title) Right of Residence Registration Help Please EU Citizen Options

[lucia_]

.Another EU person experience with personnumer and migration:

Applied for "EU person with self sufficient fonds" in March using the Eu health insurance card, a letter from the persons in Sweden that they will support all the costs, plaus the proof that they can actually do that. Migration said OK. With the paper from migration went to the skatt .. filled in the form, waited 10 weeks, got the answer back taht we have to proove again we have enough means to support ourselfs, plus a PRIVATE full coverage health insurance valid in Sweden for one year.
WARNING: Migration will not accept a PRIVATE travel insurance if you are from EU, you have to show the EU insurance card, or at least this was what one of the ladies working there told us.
Since August we are asking them where can we get such an insurance and they keep sending us to the lady that is taking care of the file. And of course the lady that takes care of the file tells us to get it in the country where are from.. but there is not such thing there.. Nobody insures us for a full health insurance in Sweden for 12 months. There are travel insurances of course.. but those are not accepted ..
So .. does anyone know a company that offers private health insurance valid only in Sweden for a person without the swedish personnumer? Apparently you need this to get the nummer... after you get the personnummer you are insured in Sweden..What do you do with your full health insurance then if you actually find a company to insure you?
There is no way that you can get water, electricity contracts or a kindergarten while you do swedish courses and practice for a job without that number so we are stuck on the health insurance stuff ..

[westy7]

Thank you everyone for your replies, it seems everyone has there own story to tell.
@ Ankinette Your situation is a complete replica of mine and I was also thinking of taking the route that you have (Letter showing proof of support) but we found out that a relation to my partner actually works for the office that issues the forms and she said the best and easiest way to do it is actually fill out one of the NON EU forms. Seems strange yes, I wish you the best of luck... if you are an active member keep in touch and let me know what comes of it, I will keep you posted when I hear back from this way of doing it.

Once again, thanks all, you've been a big help.

[ithinkimtink]

I get sick of reading this on here, you dont have an unconditional right, only a right if you fullfill certain conditions.

What conditions are you speaking of? As a full EU citizen you have every right to run around Europe and stay where you want as far as I know, as long as you support yourself. I'd very much like to know about any conditions you speak of, do you mean criminal past, or?

[chilldivine]

It's a bit of a relief to read everyone else's tales of woe!

I am self employed/freelance - have as much work as I can handle at the moment here, so no worries about supporting myself. However. I went to Migrationsverket website to fill out the right of residence form, and realised that in order to apply as self employed, I needed to provide documentation to prove I had registered a company here in Sweden. No problem. Except that you need a personnummer to register a company in Sweden.

So I rang up Migrationsverket to ask what to do. After two months, they answered the phone. They responded to my predicament with "hmmm." The guy put me on hold (for approximately another two months) then came back and said that if I provided documentation of my freelance business from the UK that would suffice. Except I had a day job in the UK and have partly moved because I've been able to establish my freelance career here. He gave me another "hmm". I suggested to him that if I provided letters from the various companies who have hired/intend to hire me, would that suffice. He said "maybe". I asked if there was anyone there who could tell me for sure. He said "no."

So I sent the form off (this is after having had to unearth my mum's ancient laptop as the form only works in Internet Explorer... for reasons best known to some halfwit at Migrationsverket, I suppose) with the letters of intent from the companies... and have so far heard nothing. Fun and games.

I had understood that I got the confirmation from Migrationsverket first and took that to Skatteverket, but reading this thread it looks as though I could at least try going ahead to Skatteverket - is that right?

[johnjohn]

What conditions are you speaking of? As a full EU citizen you have every right to run around Europe and stay where you want as far as I know, as long as you support yourself. ... (show full quote)

What conditions are you speaking of? As a full EU citizen you have every right to run around Europe and stay where you want as far as I know, as long as you support yourself. I'd very much like to know about any conditions you speak of, do you mean criminal past, or? ... (hide full quote)

The key as you pointed out is the ability to support yourself either with a job or income from retirement or another annuity. You must register after three months. More info at Migrationsverket website.

[Johno]

What conditions are you speaking of? As a full EU citizen you have every right to run around Europe and stay where you want as far as I know, as long as you support yourself. I'd very much like to know about any conditions you speak of, do you mean criminal past, or?

Its very clear in EU law that you have the right to move around and stay anywhere up to 3 months. But after that you have an obligation in most countries to register if you stay more than 3 months. You have to prove you will not initially be a burden on that country. In the case of Sweden as has been so often documented on here, if you do not register (and get a full PN) your life will be restricted in a number of ways, Some trivial. But some like being able to buy, register and insure a car could be very restricting

[johnjohn]

Just to elaborate on Johno's good post without a person number you can not do much of anything ie. rent a video, open a bank account in most instances, rent an apartment, get internet service or anything based on credit or payment plan.

[skogsbo]

I had understood that I got the confirmation from Migrationsverket first and took that to Skatteverket, but reading this thread it looks as though I could at least try going a ... (show full quote)

I had understood that I got the confirmation from Migrationsverket first and took that to Skatteverket, but reading this thread it looks as though I could at least try going ahead to Skatteverket - is that right? ... (hide full quote)

I would just go there and apply for a personal number, then apply for F Skatt, if you do everything in person as much as possible things happen much faster, posting forms only when you have to, like the F skatt application which goes up north, not to your local office.

[chilldivine]

Will get on to that - thanks very much!

[Ankinette]

Thanks Westy! Good luck to you too, yes please let me know! I have been trying to call Migrationsverket tthis week but there were always 30min+ wait ...

[JulieLou40]

I was very confused by this as well as it seemed to make no sense. But from what myself and my partner established was that unless you are moving there on one of the four cond ... (show full quote)

I was very confused by this as well as it seemed to make no sense. But from what myself and my partner established was that unless you are moving there on one of the four conditions listed by others above, you're basically treated like a non-EU citizen which is why you fill that form out rather than the EU one.

At least that's the form I filled out and so far I've had two responses from Migrationsverket - one to confirm receipt of my application and a second one looking for a copy of my partner's ID card. I'm hoping that as they never pointed out that we filled in the wrong forms, that it was correct to use that form. ... (hide full quote)

..This is ringing bells with me. I'm pretty sure that's what I did too. I seem to remember not fitting into any of the boxes (employed, student, own funds etc etc), as I was coming here to live with my Swedish sambo. I'm sure they said therefore I had to fill out a slightly different form. I can't remember it being too complicated though-amongst other details like address etc, it asked what i wanted to do here, and I answered "Live with Swedish sambo, go to SFI, get a job".

My son and I received our residence permits 5 days later. No hassle at all. Skatteverket, on the other hand, were complete useless wanks. We got that letter refusing us a personnummer and saying we had to have full health insurance like someone else mentioned. It was because the numbskull who had processed our papers had got worked up about the fact I have sole custody of my son and insisted we had to get all sorts of stuff from his father.

When I phoned the caseworker and politely insisted she consult their legal department, because as an EU citizen, all they can legally ask us for is a passport, she did so. Within a very short time, she had called me back and admitted I was right, and the person numbers arrived a few days later.

You have to be prepared to play hardball with some of these public bodies, or they will crap all over you because they are completely incompetent.

Rant over

[sendia]

The right to stay in Sweden (same rule applies in many other EU countries) as an E.U citizen without any grounds is only for three months and no registration is required for this period. If you want to stay longer there should be some reason like work, study,,, blah blah the options you were asked to choose in the website.

In your case I think you will want to use your relation as the basis for the right to stay.From what I have read before you have to wait longer for the final decision.

While you wait you have all the rights so I don't see what is the problem, let them do their work as they want to. You being a EU citizen is able to enter and live in Sweden and also travel in and out which people from other countries cant.

If you have enough cash parked in your bank account you can register as a person who can support yourself and the response will be faster.

@oddsock... you have to register yourself even if you are an EU citizen, of course no one is knocking the doors to check but its a requirement; that's how the gypsies were legally kicked out of France.

[sendia]

What conditions are you speaking of? As a full EU citizen you have every right to run around Europe and stay where you want as far as I know, as long as you support yourself. ... (show full quote)

What conditions are you speaking of? As a full EU citizen you have every right to run around Europe and stay where you want as far as I know, as long as you support yourself. I'd very much like to know about any conditions you speak of, do you mean criminal past, or? ... (hide full quote)

what conditions? like the one you mentioned yourself, as long as you support yourself. have a job, study, do business and so on.
Now dont ask what is the diff between you and a non Eu person when you have any one of this you can just move in and not wait for a visa and as i wrote before to run around europe and stay where you want for three months without registering. If everyone is allowed to stay everywhere and forever without anyreason half the Europe will be populated with the otherhalf and the whole system will crash.

[nimhaile]

I am sure your case is all cleared up now, but I would like to add a happy story and clear instructions for an IRISH person on a SAMBO visa

I moved to Sweden on the 1st of July to live with a Swedish person, and filled in the form for 'resident permit' - yes, it's for non EU, but this is the form to use anyway.

Then I went back to Ireland for a few weeks so there was a delay in posting it

On the 26th of July I sent the form, a copy of my sambo's contract showing he owns the apartment and a letter saying where we met, how long we had been dating and commuting and a note from my sambo saying he was living in the apartment alone but we now both intended to live in the apartment together. (We met 10months before I moved and had flown to and from Prague at least once a month, I'm from Ireland but was living in Prague at the time).

On the 15th of August I received an approval of my resident permit on the grounds of our 'serious relationship'. It stated that he didn't need to be able to support me as he was Swedish and there were no conditions for me at all. Yes, it must be renewed (only once!) in two years, but I have no worries about that.

As I was away for a week I didn't go in to get my fingerprints immediately.

On the 22nd of August I went to get my fingerprints and photograph taken to become part of 'the system', however it was only arriving there that I discovered that you have to email them to make an appointment. I did that, and received an appointment for Monday the 27th but I couldn't make it so they rescheduled it for the 29th. Note: You must have your case number from your approval before you go do this.

On the 3rd of September I applied for my personnummer and today I rang to ask where it was and I was informed that it had been sent out on the 7th - however I didn't tell them that my name wasn't on the door yet so the postman didn't know where to put the letter. But the woman gave me my number over the phone and promised to send the letter again with my sambo's name on top! It was my fault, and the woman on the phone was great (although she had quite bad English),

So, all in all a really easy process, that could have been a lot shorter if I hadn't been a bit lazy about it, but it worked out because I just got a job and have my PN in time for it! (A store designer with a Swedish company - no, I don't speak Swedish, yet!).

So, get the form online at: http://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18...s_161011_en.pdf
Apply to get your fingerprints and picture taken at:
biometribokning-solna@migrationsverket.se
When you have the appointment go to Solna:
http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/1037_en.html (map and directions!)
When you have that done, bring your permit card, and passport to the Tax Office:
Klara Västra Kyrkogata 13, Stockholm City

At all points people were friendly and helpful and not at all how I had heard they would be! It's also worth pointing out that I didn't spend any time waiting in queues, it was so fast and efficient!

Best of luck to any one who needs this info, I had been so confused with stuff all over the web about it!!