(edit title) Frustrated with Swedish health care Share your experience and advises please! Options

[dave.smith]

Trow, I am not dismissing what you say, but if you can prove all these people were trying to kill you, presumably through 3rd party hired goons or agents, then why didn't you report these 3rd party actors to the local police?

I know you are talking about high profile people here, but the smaller guys that were actually doing the poisoning wouldn't be linked to enough "lower down" departments to stop those 3rd party actors from being arrested. If you belive otherwise, that is truly paranoid.

[Jamtjim]

That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence...

Trowie has never provided the slightest evidence to back up any of his claims. Why? Because he can't; there isn't any.

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Thanks, Dave.

My biggest problem was that I didn't understand what was really happening to me until I was leaving Portugal in October 1996, moving here to Sweden.

The source of the attacks was so hard to pin down, as they would appear suddenly for no apparent cause, and after hours of dizziness, vomitting, diarrhea, heat flashes, etc., they would completely disappear, and I would feel fine.

Another problem would be explaining it in Portuguese to the Portuguese police. They would just think that I was nuts if I claimed Flour was doing the poisoning, since up until that time he seemed the best of friends. And if I even had, he could claim that he was having nothing to do with it, as he complained about what Macdonald had written about me in Já.

It was only a few years later that I learned of what DiEugenio had written about me in that special issue of Probe in January 1996, making out that I, of all people, had been the leading covert agent in Nixon's downfall - what was clearly the motive of the poisoning.

By then, it was too late to get any police to take my complaints seriously.

And Jamtjim, think you are wrong again as I believe that all the volumes still available for others were taken up by the lawyers representing Bubba in the impeachment.

[Jamtjim]

So what you are saying is that no ricin was ever found, the Police didn't investigate your poisoning as the ricin was never found and thus there is no evidence that you were deliberately poisoned.

Case closed due to complete lack of supporting evidence. Verdict: Fantasy.

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Sorry mackie 505 for Jamtjim hijacking this thread, but that's about all his is seriously capable of.

Without assisting him further, I will just link this about my claims rather than post it in its entirety:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/03/confes...-exile-who.html

Don't know why the link won't work but I shall suppy the article somehow soon.

[Jamtjim]

I'm sorry Trowie old boy, but it was you who brought your crackpot delusions into this thread. I merely pointed them out as such as I wouldn't want the OP or any other reader here to confuse your alleged experiences as anything resembling the truth.

As it is increasingly obvious, your ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy is largely non-existent and as a result your testimony on any issue must be taken with a large pinch of salt.

Don't know why the link won't work but I shall suppy the article somehow soon.

I expect the cryobots took it down with their mango bazookas... Anyway, why post a link in the knowledge that it doesn't work?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

I really think that the mods should do something about your incessant, paranoid attacks, Jamtjim, but if they can stomach your endless, unfounded denials, I can.

When I went to Danderyd after I fell unconscious, and split open my head on the parking lot, and given the catscan, I was given by the Stockholms läns lansting, Hälso-och sjukvårdsnämnden, card no. 8601.

The correct link to my article is apparently this:

http://codshit.blogspot.se/2004/03/confess...-exile-who.html

[mackie505]

Thanks alot guys!

Sometime i think it needs just a bit of reassurance that everything shall be fine, it gets crazy when you are not "home" so to say and then you feel that you are not getting the right treatment especially where a child is concerned! I really appreciate hearing experiences from others, gives me a little bit of peace!

I was extremely stressed yesterday, i needed to bolt it out of my system. My baby looks a little better than yesterday, so we are just watching and giving him bits of fluid now and then, i guess there is not much i can do at this point but to wait, of course we are on the look out if any thing out of the ordinary should occur, then we shall seek further medical attention. Honestly it was my ranting that made us to be seen by the doctor and like one poster said you have to put your foot down for things to happen in this country some time and i totally concur.

[Jamtjim]

I really think that the mods should do something about your incessant, paranoid attacks, Jamtjim, but if they can stomach your endless, unfounded denials, I can.

So you expect the mods to censor my debunking of your vacuous assertions but not your bonkers (and often potentially libellous) fairy stories? The thing is that my denials are based on the fact that your conspiracy theories and allegations are made totally in lieu of evidence. The onus is on you, the one making the claims, to provide supporting evidence for them to claim otherwise is a shifting of the burden of proof.

When I went to Danderyd after I fell unconscious, and split open my head on the parking lot, and given the catscan, I was given by the Stockholms läns lansting, Hälso-och sjukvårdsnämnden, card no. 8601.

Perhaps, but what has this to do with deliberate poisoning with ricin (the claim you made)? Answer: nothing. An old man fell over in a car park hitting his head. Now why do old men fall over... hmm that's a tough one...

Has it crossed your mind that if you spent less time staring at the heavens searching for earthquake generating cyber-zappers you may not trip over your own feet? No, of course not; the most likely explanation, ricin poisoning. Jeez, it would be comical if it didn't have that hint of tragic insanity!

@mackie

Hope it all works out with the little 'un. Sounds like he is on the road to recovery.

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

If you look at my post at 9:43 a.m., Jamtjim, you will see I only mentioned poisoning, nothing about ricin but you picked up on it, thanks to your prior knowledge, and tried to make a fight.

I was just talking about what obviously happened, and could have been referring to food- poisoning, some kind of allergic reaction, etc.

You should be muzzled, as I have long maintained, as you just grab for anything, whether it be some straw, or video in an attempt to make me look like an idiot.

As a result, you highjack my threads just to suit your bloated ego.

[aino]

So Puffin covered the core topic of this thread reasonably well, but here's something that was helpful for us:

• Switch to get care someplace nurses would actually speak English to you. Most places can manage just fine.
• We found asking tons of question on the phone during callbacks from nurses to be more informative, when stuff like vinterkräksjuka, stomach flues, etc are concerned. This way we don't need to lug a kid to vårdcentral or any other clinic. And believe me, they really appreciate that you called instead of lugging a kid in who clearly has a virus that they can't help with anyway.

Here's how I understood the whole thing (and I got two small kids):

• Stash up on vätskersättning. We go straight to it instead of milk as soon as any kid vomites the first time.
• Make them drink. And eat, if they eat. But mostly drink.
• They tell you to only call if a kid is "listless." We asked them lots of questions about what it means to be listless, because during one of the stomach flues, our kid was sleeping all the time. They said: doesn't make eye contact, is not responsive, etc. We concluded that our kid was responsive in that sense, just bloody tired.
• We were also told to bring a kid in if it does not pee at all for 12 hours. That seems like a fairly clear cut recommendation.
• To keep control of fever, give alvedon or ibuprofen, no more than recommended dosage for kids. If you need to do it for many days, switch between the two.

That said, sorry about it. It's a big pain. Our kids just started daycare in January and in 6 months managed to have two stomach flues, a regular flu, and a cold. I took one of them to VC once, and wished I didn't.

[Jamtjim]

If you look at my post at 9:43 a.m., Jamtjim, you will see I only mentioned poisoning, nothing about ricin but you picked up on it, thanks to your prior knowledge, and tried to make a fight.

That's right, you mentioned poisoning, not ricin in your first post. That's why I asked how you got poisoned as being poisoned is much more interesting subject matter than simply falling over because you legs just ain't what they once were.

I was just talking about what obviously happened, and could have been referring to food- poisoning, some kind of allergic reaction, etc.

Again, that's why I asked. It could have been any of those things so which was it? You said poisoning, therefore the toxicology report would have show what type of poison it was. If it were food poisoning, this would be apparent. If it were ricin, this would also be apparent and a criminal investigation the most likely outcome.

You should be muzzled, as I have long maintained, as you just grab for anything, whether it be some straw, or video in an attempt to make me look like an idiot.

To be honest Trow, I need do little and very often nothing to make you look like an idiot.

As a result, you highjack my threads just to suit your bloated ego.

This wasn't "your" thread. It was started by mackie505. As for my ego, well let's just say that your presence here provides me with ample fodder with which to bolster it.

[cattie]

@mackie

When I read your story, there was one key part that could have been different. The dismissive nurse in Trelleborg. If she had just taken a moment to consider that you were a first-time mum, first-winter in dagis and that maybe you did not know what to expect.

If she had taken just three minutes to explain
1. about winter-vomiting and what to expect from the disease course, and
2. how long you should expect your baby to sick,
3. at what point a hospital visit would be in order, what temperature or how long vomiting

Instead of dealing with the situation, she passed the buck to Malmö. Sadly, it was probably because of the frustration of second-language over the phone. I have had some people hang up on me when I try to ask questions in my sub-par Swedish. Sometimes I misunderstand and need repetition. If she was speaking English she was even more interested in ending the conversation quick.

If you had had good contact and had built a face-to-face relationship with the a doctor or nurse in Trelleborg, you probably would have gotten a better response later when you called in. Then you could mention my child is a patient of doctor so-and-so. That way at the beginning of the conversation they will think, maybe this mum will follow-up later.

Due to systemic problems I will not detail here, there is not much of downside for them if they just hang up the phone or pass the buck. I have a child with life-threatening medical issues. I have had to learn to advocate for him adapting to the Swedish way.

So, (and this is important) being very nice and a good patients mom. Since I am american, I can come off as pushy just by talking swedish with a strong american accent. I try to very nice, very grateful, very respectful and very persistent. I keep asking questions, in a respectful way. Sometimes I say something like "Ja, men jag är ingen läkare så kan du förklara..." Since the system here is rather small, I tell you to be nice, because someday you may need that persons help, and getting mad and saying "they should" being pushy will not get you quick care.

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Certainly became my thread by your highjacking it with your irrelevant probing, and personal attacks. I believe I have the most posts on this thread, certainly more than the starter, thanks to you.

You asked me what was the source of the poisoning, and I answered you as truthfully as I could - what you then used to attack me.

There was no possibility of a toxicology report showing anything, as the ricin was well established in my pancreas by then. It was only after two years that my system finally got rid of it.

Well, I cannot completely complain as you admit you have a bloated ego even without my help.

[Jamtjim]

There was no possibility of a toxicology report showing anything....

Therefore you have absolutely no reason to claim you were poisoned... end of. Trow debunked.... again!