(edit title) Poverty on the rise among immigrants? Job hunting Options

[Spoutcandy0702]

It is this hard to get an english speaking job in Sweden? Some companies would advertised they need employees fluent in English but why can't be hired if we're not speaking Swedish for now? Basic Education, i have and I am even a Bachelor graduate but could hardly get a job here. Swedish language is one of the factor why poverty is on the rise among immigrants.

[Robert69]

Think the swedish way, why would they give a job to a foreigner like you who is taking away jobs from their own people? This is how the Swedish system works. They will find some way of excluding you from the system and then bitch about why immigrants can't get jobs. Get used to it.

[007]

Swedish language is one of the factor why poverty is on the rise among immigrants.

you mean that immigrants from long ago were better at swedish than immigrants today? i don't think your logic is adding up

[London_Jim]

Is that not a fact - makes sense to me?

There was a necessity for migrants to speak the language of the host country 30/40 years ago that there isn't today due to increased social services, translation services and larger migrant communities providing support in their first language.

[007]

fair point to question the uptake of swedish among today's migrants, though i am not sure those services weren't available then as well. all the same translations services were available 20 years ago when i first arrived. but there are larger non-native populations and older migrants which means that there are greater numbers of migrants managing within their community without swedish.

however, the OP is implying that requiring swedish in sweden is contributing to a rise in poverty among immigrants (as if removing the requirement would reduce poverty). migrants to any country need to learn the vehicular language to enter the skilled workforce since the crap jobs paying crap salaries don't exist in sweden the way they do in other "migrant friendly" countries.

personally, i would advocate for a reintroduction of lower level labor just to get people working and interacting with the general population, but the unions and political will would never allow it.

[London_Jim]

Fair enough, I don't actually know so wasn't saying you were wrong - it just made a little sense the way I interpreted it.

At my brief tenure at SFI 4 years ago, I was amazed by the lack of interest that some of the class (not any particular country of origin, but mainly lads in their 40s and 50s) had in actually learning Swedish.

[John.Smith]

It is this hard to get an english speaking job in Sweden? Some companies would advertised they need employees fluent in English but why can't be hired if we're not spe ... (show full quote)

It is this hard to get an english speaking job in Sweden? Some companies would advertised they need employees fluent in English but why can't be hired if we're not speaking Swedish for now? Basic Education, i have and I am even a Bachelor graduate but could hardly get a job here. Swedish language is one of the factor why poverty is on the rise among immigrants. ... (hide full quote)

That is a rather strange way of looking at it. I would think that a better assessment is that the 'lack' of a good level of Swedish amongst immigrants in Sweden would be a contributing factor. Why would an employer employ you when they can employ a Swede who has fluent Swedish and English and the same qualifications? Seems common sense to me.

And yes... it is hard to get an English speaking job in Sweden, the same as it is hard to get an English speaking job in France, Germany or any other country where English is not the native tongue.

[John.Smith]

Fair enough, I don't actually know so wasn't saying you were wrong - it just made a little sense the way I interpreted it.At my brief tenure at SFI 4 years ago, I was ... (show full quote)

Fair enough, I don't actually know so wasn't saying you were wrong - it just made a little sense the way I interpreted it.

At my brief tenure at SFI 4 years ago, I was amazed by the lack of interest that some of the class (not any particular country of origin, but mainly lads in their 40s and 50s) had in actually learning Swedish. ... (hide full quote)

+1
When I attended there was an Irish guy and an Australian guy (both late 20's) who really took their time as they were in receipt of benefits to attend SFI full time.

[Puffin]

I think that one of the issues is that 40/50 years ago there was a lot of repetitive factory work about that did not require people to communicate in Swedish so people got by financially without actually learning the language - but those days are long gone

This was indeed the whole idea begind the introduction of the SFI programme in the 1970s - it was not aimed at the unemployed but instead was an evening class programme for people in work who despite holding down jobs could not speak any Swedish - but those days when employers were happy to get anyone at all are long gone!

I think also that EU membership since 1995 has brought a new type of immigrant to Sweden who have higher levels of education BUT without Swedish cannot really hop to find work that matches their education levels

There is also increasing immigration from people who expected that English would get them by on the assumption that given that Swedes speak good English - that this must mean that there are plenty of opportunities for good English speakers!! However the logic is that in reality the opposite is true - why would an employer want an employee who ONLY speaks english (and thus everyone else is forced to change company language) when there are plently of unemployed Swedes who speak fluent Swedish, good English and usually a third language at an OK level??

So I think if you want to get into the job market it is not enough to come here with a bachelors exam from another country - you need to demonstrate skills that a Swedish employer needs and speaking the language is a pretty basic one

[007]

When I attended there was an Irish guy and an Australian guy (both late 20's) who really took their time as they were in receipt of benefits to attend SFI full time.

i thought that only asylum refugees were granted benefits to attend SFI. has that changed?

[Streja]

There are Finnish people in Sweden who don't know Swedish still since the 50's. But they're allowed as they speak a language that is closer to us geographically.

[johnjohn]

I really do not see anyone in "poverty". Even the poorest have a place to live and food to eat or am i missing something?

[inthenovel]

Relative to other countries,think of all the benefits immigrants receive here! yet they still complain and contribute nothing. Spoiled!