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Freesat and SKY Satellite nearing blackout

New Astra 2F UK spot beam means no UK TV for us

bjorkon
post 23.Nov.2012, 09:51 PM
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According to the various forums, the final testing is taking place on the Astra 2F satellite which is replacing Astra 1N in the next few days (imminent). They have started testing on channel 11.023 H, SR 23.000, FEC 2/3 which should show you BBC 1 HD. Most reports are showing this doesn't work in Sweden.

I have a 2M prime focus dish with Invacom Quad in the (North) Stockholm area which has worked fine - however the new Astra 2F UK spot beam on channel 11023H is not. Just wondering if anyone else in Stockholm area has tested this (what size dish etc.)?
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Beef
post 24.Nov.2012, 09:10 AM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 7.Feb.2006

I saw your post on astra2 forum.. It's a sad day for us. I've only got a 110cm dish and was hoping for a side lobe like on 2D but it doesn't look to be the case. Full migration is due this weekend so looks like streaming will be the way. I personally can't be bothered with it, the first time it buffers I just switch off. I guess it will improve in time..
1.8M will get you coverage in western sweden according to reports..
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byke
post 24.Nov.2012, 09:48 AM
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Location: Europe
Joined: 28.Oct.2008

Guys,
I just wanted to say if the footprint no longer reaches, I honestly feel gutted for you.
I had looked every which way possible a year ago to get all the equipment needed and a location to host the hardware. And cant imagine how much of a knock this will be to you all if it no longer works.

I still use a VPN like many others, due to not being able to host a dish (previously) and must say that if you are having to go down that route again - then look for a dedicated Smart DNS instead.
As this should dramatically improve speeds and reduce any issue relating to buffering (based on your connection speeds).

I am still using https://www.vpnuk.info simply because they specialise in UK content and include Smart DNS for free . And I am sure others out there will have suggestions for other services. But this is still the best option I have found available.

Obviously there is filmon as well - but I have seen a deterioration of service lately in terms of stream and broken issues. There is another way I know of involving a VPN, but again speeds are in part reduced because of the use of such (VPN) as the page that offers streaming content doesn't work with smart DNS.

Either way, I cant imagine how gutted you must be in regards to those effected.
I just wonder how quickly blocket will become flooded with old equipment and what effect that will have on market value. It may be a good idea to get in first if you definitely think the footprint wont reach.

Good luck.
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Gordy
post 24.Nov.2012, 10:21 AM
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Location: Skåne
Joined: 1.Oct.2005

What options are available for live TV streams from the UK?

As I understand it TV catchup are very hot on blacklisting IPs that they believe are from VPNs and Smart DNS's what other options are available?
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AW1
post 24.Nov.2012, 12:43 PM
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Location: Södermanland
Joined: 20.Mar.2012

How about using Sky Go with a reliable VPN?
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byke
post 24.Nov.2012, 03:26 PM
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I have tried that in the past and found that the GUI was unpleasant to use and content wasn't too reliable through a VPN. Not sure if you could go via Smart DNS as I haven't looked.

I also find the content of SKY to have a lot of US based imports which I am not a great fan of, so my view on how it all worked may be slightly compramised.
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byke
post 24.Nov.2012, 03:51 PM
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Location: Europe
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QUOTE (Gordy @ 24.Nov.2012, 10:21 AM) *
What options are available for live TV streams from the UK?As I understand it TV catchup are very hot on blacklisting IPs that they believe are from VPNs and Smart DNS's w ... (show full quote)

Yeah TV Catch up is very particular with VPN access and are very strict in their attempts to restrict access from outside the UK. I know a few people who have found work arounds, that work and have done for a while (private hosted IP's / UK home servers etc).

But its can be a tricky service to get working outside the UK.

I also find that as its only AD supported (no paid option), it is somewhat of a pain to change channels as one has to go through a palaver of time consuming AD's to reach the content every time a channel is changed. And with a VPN it can be a poor connection or quality.

Although their TV listings is often a good source of information.

Obviously the BBC now offers a fair amount of Streaming through their webpage of live content.
So in regards to Christmas options at present.

VPN / Smart DNS for all the BBC Content (both live or catchup)
Filmon (paid) for live channels (you may need to hop between the web interface or the HD player for best results)
And TVC as a last resort through a backdoor.

TVC may be better if its slung from an iPad to an ATV - but I have never tried.
And generally I only use TVC when in the UK.
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mart
post 24.Nov.2012, 04:15 PM
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Location: Örebro
Joined: 10.Feb.2007

Just read a rumor that sky news has switched to 2f,this channel is being received well here in Örebro on a 1.5 m dish.Fingers crossed this is the case and other channels work as well.
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Gordy
post 24.Nov.2012, 04:28 PM
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Location: Skåne
Joined: 1.Oct.2005

Thanks for the info Byke.

Is anybody using the streams from iBox.ie with an Irish VPN or SmartDNS?
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AW1
post 24.Nov.2012, 05:42 PM
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Location: Södermanland
Joined: 20.Mar.2012

QUOTE (byke @ 24.Nov.2012, 03:26 PM) *
I have tried that in the past and found that the GUI was unpleasant to use and content wasn't too reliable through a VPN. Not sure if you could go via Smart DNS as I haven ... (show full quote)

I think they have improved they UI a lot since last year. Feels nice and clear and easy to use. However, that's my view from a PC / Laptop view. Not sure about what's it like using the app.

The content is obviously dependant on your subscription. If you're into Rugby or Cricket, then Sky Sports will be the way to go.
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byke
post 24.Nov.2012, 07:54 PM
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Location: Europe
Joined: 28.Oct.2008

QUOTE (Gordy @ 24.Nov.2012, 04:28 PM) *
Thanks for the info Byke.. Is anybody using the streams from iBox.ie with an Irish VPN or SmartDNS?

Never tried that,
but I have a strong feeling its somehow related to TVcatchup.
If you look at many of the custom channel icons, they all seem to be the same as TVC.
And given that many of the channels content are also similar, I wouldnt be surprised if there was some sort of backend supplied.

Which would, or could most probably mean great issues connecting to it via an irish VPN option.
As while TVC has provided streams for back ends even to the likes of companies like filmon ... the quality has been dubious in the past.

So I have a fair bit of doubt in both getting it to work and stream quality via a VPN (If you can even get it to work)
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mart
post 24.Nov.2012, 10:36 PM
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Location: Örebro
Joined: 10.Feb.2007

Anyone aware of intelsat at 27.5w, seems to have bbc 1, 2, ITV,channel 4, 5 and the kids bbc channels.Is this an alternative to astra 2f ?
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Gordy
post 25.Nov.2012, 11:50 AM
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Location: Skåne
Joined: 1.Oct.2005

QUOTE (Beef @ 24.Nov.2012, 10:10 AM) *
1.8M will get you coverage in western sweden according to reports..

I've had a report from someone just north of Ystad who is receiving the new satellite on a 1.8m dish also.

Anyone else down here on the south coast able to report?

I have the chance to buy a 1.6m dish and lnb for a reasonable price but I'd like to hear first if it's going to work!

I have a receiver already so if it works I could have freesat for less than the cost of 12 months of Filmon.

BTW anyone looking for free streams of Irish TV you can get RTÉ One, RTÉ One + 1, RTÉ News Now, RTÉ Two, RTÉ jr, TV3, 3e, TG4, France 24, Russia Today and Dáil Éireann by registering at AerTv.ie you'll need an Irish IP but AerTv is supported by UnBlockUs smartDNS and probably others.
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Gordy
post 25.Nov.2012, 07:13 PM
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Location: Skåne
Joined: 1.Oct.2005

Here's a map of Astra 2F reception reports for Sweden
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Mr Puffin
post 26.Nov.2012, 11:10 AM
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The transponder that is now testing uses 8PSK modulation. At first it didn´t mean much to me but after reading my homework it could be good news. 8PSK is used to put as many channels possible in 2F. This modulation is used in HD and compared to the normal modulation we have seen on the other satellites at 28,2E you would need a double as strong signal to get a picture.

So if you only wanted to watch "normal definition" all hope is not lost. We have one report from Norrköping who is able to get 2F with a Gibertini 1,5. So I think (hope) that 2F is still in reach possible with a little bit bigger dish.

Cheers Mr puffin
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