(edit title) Self Employed UK, resident in Sweden Tax Advice No UK company Options

[beefpatty]

This is all a bit strange. I turned up here as self employed in the UK, but living here. I went to Skatteverket with some proof of my self employed income. Two weeks later I got my personal number through with all the tax stuff. I get a tax return every year to complete. Maybe I have done something wrong but I seem to have all the necessary paperwork, including the right to reside. The office I went to was in Kista and they were very helpful.

[philios33]

Yorkshireman, go get a arsehole certificate from the Swedish police for your own failure to check the thread details. If you don't have anything useful to write, please don't bother replying

Beefpatty, did you by any chance have a UK Ltd company?

I seriously do appreciate the free help I have received thus far from those that have given it, but as you can see (those of you that have read the thread) it seems a relatively simple procedure which I have attempted to follow was either incorrect advice or the lady at Skatt doesn't know what she's talking about.

I will visit migrationsverket in person again on Monday with all docs and insist they help me there and then. The income declaration forms will have to wait. Will update on progress.

[Taxalien]

I am sorry but honestly what are you doing here?

You come here asking for advice, advice is given and then you totally ignore any advice you have received?

Who can help you with that kind of attitude?

It was very simple from the outset, just as you stated. You wanted to come here and you wanted to continue offering your services to the client you have in the UK.

That's where it all ends. You leave the UK and the UK has nothing further to offer you. You are in a totally different tax regime, one which doesn't have any kind of positive vibes about it. If you thought so, you must have just arrived from a different planet.

The question now is how you set yourself up so that you can actually continue to offer your services to your client, whilst paying taxes in the country you now have permanent residency in.

That question has been answered here in numerous threads when asked by many different people.

You basically have to register yourself as a company. There are little other options.

The simplest of those options is to start a Enskild firma. There is plenty of information you can obtain in English from the authorities here, so a) start reading start acting and c) get your house in order.

If you don't, then I am in no doubts that you will effectively get to keep 0% of anything you have invoiced to date.

That's because they will back date VAT, they will charge National Insurance as an employee and they will charge income tax. And there are no basic allowances if you are trading without a proper company.

Expected tax rate if you do this, is probably 96% as is documented elsewhere when people add a side or hobby income on their tax declaration. Because that is effectively what you are doing now.

If and when you wake up and get things in order, then you will RCS invoice your client. That means charging no VAT. But you can't do that unless you are a VAT registered entity in Sweden and the client you have also is VAT registered in the UK. And you need to obtain that evidence and check that it is current, or else you will not satisfy the RCS rules.

I'll end this note by stating that I think you would do far better to have incorporated in the UK or incorporated in Sweden with an AB. But since you have some kind of aversion because I don't know what you are not listening and basically noone can help you.

[philios33]

I am sorry but honestly what are you doing here?. You come here asking for advice, advice is given and then you totally ignore any advice you have received?. Who can help you with that kind of attitude?

Here in Sweden or TL? Honestly? I am here to ask questions, gain knowledge, understand the situation and act on advice. I would be greatful if you point out which particular advice I have ignored. I know it's a long thread but I want to keep everything in the right place to help someone in my situation in the future.

If my attitude seems negative it's because I'm pissed off. Not at anyone in particular (myself, TL , Sweden, Migrationsverket or Skatterverket), but simply at the effort I have put in to doing this right and the zero progress I have made.

I also want to make it clear that I do appreciate your advice and that goes for anyone else that has helped me on TL. But I don't appreciate these sly remarks/jokes/flames that seem to pop up here and there. Not from you, but other individuals who think it's ok to highjack threads and start flame wars just because theres no moderation here. If you post on here to give me grief then be prepare to get some back.

It was very simple from the outset, just as you stated. You wanted to come here and you wanted to continue offering your services to the client you have in the UK.

Correct

That's where it all ends. You leave the UK and the UK has nothing further to offer you. You are in a totally different tax regime, one which doesn't have any kind of p ... (show full quote)

That's where it all ends. You leave the UK and the UK has nothing further to offer you. You are in a totally different tax regime, one which doesn't have any kind of positive vibes about it. If you thought so, you must have just arrived from a different planet. ... (hide full quote)

Sorry, but I don't understand. Where what ends? I'm not asking for anything from the UK. Also, i'm not interested in how many "positive vibes" there are in Sweden, or whether you think I am making the correct life decision. The decision has been made, and I'm living in Sweden. If you're referring to the higher taxes in Sweden than UK then I don't care.

The question now is how you set yourself up so that you can actually continue to offer your services to your client, whilst paying taxes in the country you now have permanent ... (show full quote)

The question now is how you set yourself up so that you can actually continue to offer your services to your client, whilst paying taxes in the country you now have permanent residency in.

That question has been answered here in numerous threads when asked by many different people.

You basically have to register yourself as a company. There are little other options.

The simplest of those options is to start a Enskild firma. There is plenty of information you can obtain in English from the authorities here, so a) start reading start acting and c) get your house in order. ... (hide full quote)

I have been given advice regarding migrationsverket but in fact, this is one of the things that HASN'T been answered here yet, and if it has then my appologies but I missed it. I understand that I need to create an enskildsfirma (or perhaps a proper company) at Skatt, but to do this I need right of residency certificate from Migration. To have right of residency (by self employed) you need a company. This is called an infinite loop and is the cause of all my problems. I am starting to think that perhaps I need to get some comprehensive insurance just so I can get right of residence by own funds, so that I can finally set up the company.

If you don't, then I am in no doubts that you will effectively get to keep 0% of anything you have invoiced to date.That's because they will back date VAT, they will c ... (show full quote)

If you don't, then I am in no doubts that you will effectively get to keep 0% of anything you have invoiced to date.

That's because they will back date VAT, they will charge National Insurance as an employee and they will charge income tax. ... (hide full quote)

Correct. VAT, Social Fees & income tax are the things I expect to eventually pay once everything is sorted out. I noticed you have used the word employee. Are you sure this is correct considering we're talking about self employment/sole trader/enskildsfirma?

And there are no basic allowances if you are trading without a proper company. Expected tax rate if you do this, is probably 96% as is documented elsewhere when people add a s ... (show full quote)

And there are no basic allowances if you are trading without a proper company.

Expected tax rate if you do this, is probably 96% as is documented elsewhere when people add a side or hobby income on their tax declaration. Because that is effectively what you are doing now. ... (hide full quote)

Yes, I suppose I am technically currently trading without a proper company but that is not a fault of my own, it is because I am waiting for Migrationsverket so I can register a company or enskildsfirma. This is actually my main source of income and not a hobby. I'm sorry but they can't expect me to stop trading while I wait for the certificate to come through.

If and when you wake up and get things in order, then you will RCS invoice your client. That means charging no VAT. But you can't do that unless you are a VAT registered e ... (show full quote)

If and when you wake up and get things in order, then you will RCS invoice your client. That means charging no VAT. But you can't do that unless you are a VAT registered entity in Sweden and the client you have also is VAT registered in the UK. And you need to obtain that evidence and check that it is current, or else you will not satisfy the RCS rules. ... (hide full quote)

That's fine, they are VAT registered and I don't charge VAT. I assume by a valid VAT registered entity you mean company or enskildsfirma.

I'll end this note by stating that I think you would do far better to have incorporated in the UK or incorporated in Sweden with an AB. But since you have some kind of ave ... (show full quote)

I'll end this note by stating that I think you would do far better to have incorporated in the UK or incorporated in Sweden with an AB. But since you have some kind of aversion because I don't know what you are not listening and basically noone can help you. ... (hide full quote)

I accept my life may have been easier if I had, but the thread subtitle clearly states that I have "No UK Company". So it is a premise of this thread and not up for debate. However I did explain my reasons in this thread a couple of months back.