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Swedish Emergency services failure.

Ambulances stats show they take too long.

byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 02:40 AM
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First the police are reported on solving less crime, now the ambulances are not getting to patients in time.
Although I suppose a 50% achievement is better than the police rate.

SWEDISH VERSION (ORIGINAL)
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/varannan...mal_7943284.svd

ENGLISH TRANSLATION :
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...mal_7943284.svd
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skogsbo
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:27 AM
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a busy night trawling the globe for negativity? smile.gif

Given the very rural nature of 99% of Sweden I'm suprised they give themselves only 20mins to reach somebody, that's not that long, especially in poor driving conditions. Better to have a tough goal that you can't always attain, than set the bar too low and consistently meet targets, but provide a poorer service?

In the UK the response time goals for rural areas were (i think) 18mins, UK rural doesn't compare to Swedens version!

But, in order to help them, they created and trained what they called 'first responders,' local people, volunteers who would go primarily to those people who may have heart or breathing problems, they weren't trained for mass trauma etc. but it is often the heart / breathing problems which are the most acute, especially in the early hours when a higher percentage suffer problems (blood pressure at it lowest during deep sleep).

So like all your threads, you throw up a link, but can't you talk, what is your opinion of it? good or bad? personal experience? I'm sure we could automate you with a bykemotion linkbot, so you'll need to talk to keep your job.
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Rick Methven
post 26.Feb.2013, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:27 AM) *
a busy night trawling the globe for negativity? So like all your threads, you throw up a link, but can't you talk, what is your opinion of it? good or bad? personal experi ... (show full quote)

Seems like another bout of insomnia caused by his continuing failure to convince every Expat reading TL to leave the country if they are currently resident, or to give up the idea of moving here if they are thinking of it.

If byke is really interested in educating non Swedish readers about what is really going on in Sweden, compared to what the TL news section prints, then he could find both pro and Contra press cuttings, to stimulate discussion.

He could also provide his own reasoned comment on the topics he starts. (As he did on the horse meat thread laugh.gif )
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:27 AM) *
a busy night trawling the globe for negativity? So like all your threads, you throw up a link, but can't you talk, what is your opinion of it? good or bad? personal experi ... (show full quote)

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 26.Feb.2013, 07:32 AM) *
Seems like another bout of insomnia caused by his continuing failure to convince every Expat reading TL to leave the country if they are currently resident, or to give up the ... (show full quote)

In order for one to provide a reasonable opinion or reasoned comment on the topics, one must understand what it is one is posting. Given that 99.999999% of said persons opinions or comments so far have been incorrect and show a lack of understanding of the Swedish language (even when assisted by google translate), I can understand why one does not provide such commentary!

Plus once such an opinion is provided it is blantantly obvious what the posters motivation is! cool.gif
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skogsbo
post 26.Feb.2013, 08:24 AM
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I wonder how the Norwegian or Finnish response times compare, it could just be a question of Nordic geography.
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Max Reaver
post 26.Feb.2013, 11:31 AM
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Reminded me of an old news on Elena Paparizou's dad, who died of heart attack following a 10 minute-delay by the ambulance. The ambulance refused to drive into the neighborhood without police escort, they stopped at a gas station for 10 minutes waiting. The police said they were not informed which area were considered "high risk zones" by the ambulances and they were not obliged to prioritize escorting ambulances. The death of her father prompted Elena to disappear from the spotlight for some years.

Here are the links to both the Swedish and English version of the news.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article11767228.ab

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/melo...icle14496131.ab

http://paparizou.forumotion.net/t3892-afto...ation-available
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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 11:40 AM
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Well its clear that the ambulance service is not meeting their expectations or goals.

Are they not provided by a private company which has a long history of scandals in the Swedish national press ?
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Puffin
post 26.Feb.2013, 12:03 PM
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Sounds like a "Stockholm" view - if you live in rural Sweden you understand that it is rather unlikely that the ambulance will come 150km in 20 minutes. However the local Fire Department's Prio 1 car will arrive within that time

The ambulance service will warn you if you are not a Prio 1 response - when I had my accident an broke my knee the ambulance can from almost 50km away in 30 minutes which I thought was reasonable as I was not classified as a Prio 1- however Byke would have regarded it as a failure
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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 12:13 PM
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A Stockholm view?
There was no mention of that in the article or stats? Fabricated rebuttal ?

Stockholm interestingly enough is the largest Swedish population in the whole of Sweden.
So if times were slow in such a large area then, then it clearly shows discrepancies.

But at the end, I love the fictional assertion of what I would have regarded.
It just shows the last poster had nothing more to add and was looking to try and claw back some form of dignity.

I wonder if remote rural dwellers (hobbits of society) are charged a higher rate of taxes to accommodate their increased costs relating to their desires for lower personal costs in no mans land. Since the time needed to accommodate such social lepers cost the tax payer so much more in employment time and things like fuel having to deal with their special needs.
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 12:20 PM
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Bykes at it again I see....

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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 12:22 PM
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Do I work for a Swedish national newspaper? NOPE.
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skogsbo
post 26.Feb.2013, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Puffin @ 26.Feb.2013, 12:03 PM) *
Sounds like a "Stockholm" view - if you live in rural Sweden you understand that it is rather unlikely that the ambulance will come 150km in 20 minutes. However the ... (show full quote)

For some people even if an air ambulance was at your house in 15mins, they'd still see a negative point. I live about 40km away from one, a bit nearer for fire, if I had an accident in the forest chainsawing etc. then my odds are low, but I can't expect taxpayers to fund 24/7 manned stations every 15km, apart from the cost, they'd be so quiet they would be out of practice and suffer major skill fade.

If people are that worried, they should move near big towns, you can't have all the benefits of living rurally, with the facilities of cities.
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skogsbo
post 26.Feb.2013, 12:31 PM
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Byke, I think we should get tax rebate, for all the big ticket expenditures in Stockholm that 50% of us might never use. Plus a rebate for slower response times compared to you townies. wink.gif
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Rick Methven
post 26.Feb.2013, 03:48 PM
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Location: Linköping
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 26.Feb.2013, 12:24 PM) *
For some people even if an air ambulance was at your house in 15mins, they'd still see a negative point. I live about 40km away from one, a bit nearer for fire, if I had a ... (show full quote)

When I broke my hip, I was at a friends' summer house that is rather remote, 1 km up a narrow woodland track from a gravel road that is 3 km from a tarmac road and 50km from Örebro which is where the ambulance came from. they made it in 45 minutes which I think is very good.
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Pursuivant
post 26.Feb.2013, 04:35 PM
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I wouldn't say the emergency services "fail" if the ambulance sits on a bus stop waiting for a police car that doesn't have a priority list. I find it a "fail" the mere fact there is a need for an ambulance to have a police escort. If people in the ghetto die due to this, blame yourselves for your own actions, and not the ambulance service.
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