(edit title) UK citizen rejected by Skatteverket Migrationsverket granted right of residence Options

[Yorkshireman]

Exactly!. There is often a misunderstanding in this respect. It is a simple question of is it the lack of a personal number being issued, or is the restriction on access to telephone, bank services etc... placed by those bodies because they want you to have a personal number. I rather believe for Sweden the argument is simple, it is the other organisations that refuse services due to lack of personal number and not the tax office that is responsible.

From the Summer there will no longer be need to register with Migrationsverket the Right to Reside, since they have recognised that there are several sources where this info is tested and kept, it will be done in a single place, and that will be the Tax office where you register.

I rather tend to believe that the Gov. would like a large number of complaints, the result of which would most likely not be a relaxing of the issuing of personal numbers, but more likely a chance (given the green light by EU pressure) to tighten the system even further, by further integration and tests to prevent current frauds and mistakes. The issue for Sweden, as with many Member States local populations, is that the Freedom of Movement has resulted in a need to tighten and restrict access to benefits, services etc... so that everyone has a tougher environment So, complain away, it wont make it simpler, just tougher.

[Zedman]

Erm.. they are not refusing you to move and reside in the EU, the Migrationsverket grants that. They are refusing the personnumber and rightly so if you come here only to enjo ... (show full quote)

Erm.. they are not refusing you to move and reside in the EU, the Migrationsverket grants that. They are refusing the personnumber and rightly so if you come here only to enjoy the social security benefits.

~~~PDX~~~ ... (hide full quote)

Actually PDX you are obviousely spouting from your personal grudges and bigotry.
I did not come here to claim benefits. I came to work ( Engineer also holder of all catagories of driving licence, trucks, coach,etc)
I applied as having adequate means, i.e NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING because i had tried to ensured that i had enough money to last me a reasonable time whilst looking for work.
Migrationsverket do not give residence permits to EU workers, they say this is because you do not need one,
I still do not claim your precious benefits (or steal your taxes as you seem to feel), i work, however because the swedish tax authority is allowed to descriminate against EU citizens, although we own a house and pay tax in Sweden, we have no person number and therefore, although we own a house we cannot insure it, neither can we insure or own a car, nor can we register my car here ( we bought two with us that had to scrap because without the number we could not register them in the required three months), we cannot register with arbetsformedlingen (so have to take unskilled low pay and casual work),we cannot have landline internet, contract phone, or anything else that requires you giving the person number. All these things i lucky enough to have Swedish friends and employers who do this to help us out. If not for their support we would be screwed,
This is why Swedem is in violation of the EU directives, not because they don't hand out benefits, Probably a big part of the problem is people like you who with these stupid ideas that everyone else is sitting around planning and scheming how to steal your benefits and taxes., Don't judge me by your own standards.

[skogsbo]

Actually PDX you are obviousely spouting from your personal grudges and bigotry.. .... to steal your benefits and taxes., Don't judge me by your own standards.

i might be wrong, but PDX is usually telling people to register their businesses across the Baltic (lativa? I can't precisely recall ) whilst working in Sweden, so their tax ethics 'could' be doubtful anyway?

[Yorkshireman]

i work, however because the swedish tax authority is allowed to descriminate against EU citizens, although we own a house and pay tax in Sweden

So, you are paying taxes in Sweden, then you must have either a personal number or a co-ordination number then?

we have no person number and therefore, although we own a house we cannot insure it, neither can we insure or own a car

With a co-ordination number there are insurance companies that will provide insurance.

, nor can we register my car here ( we bought two with us that had to scrap because without the number we could not register them in the required three months),

You can register a car when you have a co-ordination number ... in fact it was found by 1 tv investiagtion program last year that that is how thousands of black market cars are shipped out of Sweden, the cars were registered by owners with co-ordination numbers.

we cannot register with arbetsformedlingen (so have to take unskilled low pay and casual work),

Not true.
EU Job Seekers cannot claim benefits without registering with Arbetförmedlingen since they have to tell their
home countries that they are actively seeking work otherwise benefits are stopped. EU Job Seekers cannot
register Right to Reside, so certainly cannot get either personl numbers or co-ordination numbers. Yet they
can (in benefti cases, must) register with Arbetförmedlingen.

we cannot have landline internet, contract phone, or anything else that requires you giving the person number.

That is the choice of the communications companies, they should in theory accept co-ordination numbers.

This is why Swedem is in violation of the EU directives

No it doesn't.

[Zedman]

Sorry Yorkshireman, but read the original bit i wrote,So you recon you know more about it than the EU themselves?.
We have a temporary tax registration number to pay tax, we cannot use it for other purposes(or so they told us, maybe you know more than them too?),
I do not know why you peole are so obsessed with benefits?.
I'm sick of being accused of casing benefits I WORK, and to correct you on that point also, the benefits are only in force if you have been claiming jobseekers for 3 months in you own country before moving abroad., and as we were not cliaming in the UK it was irrelevant.
Why do you people assume that you have some sort of moral supremesy and the rest of us are scumbags who spend our lives traveling the world trying to blag benefits?, i think if thats your view of the human race you have a very sad life.

We tried to sign up at arbetsformedling to look for work, the ony help we wanted was with language as that has been the biggest problem with finding a proper job. and before you make any comment on that we have duscussed it with SFI who were not able to help as we don't have a person number and the temporary registration number isn't enough, They rang the tax office and checked.

[Yorkshireman]

Sorry Yorkshireman, but read the original bit i wrote,So you recon you know more about it than the EU themselves?.

I read some time ago your original bit.

You have to prove that Your freedom of movement has been restricted. I seriously doubt that it has been by the tax authorities. You were issued a co-ordination number. It is not the tax authorities responsibility beyond that as to whether service companies accept you as a customer or not. You would have to take it company by company.

Insurance: It is possible without a personal number to get insurance.

Car registration: It is possible to register a car with a coordination number, in fact that is one of the public bodies that can issue/request a co-ordination number.

Telephone: For landlines and mobile agreements the majority of companies do a credit check and only if you pass that do they give you an agreement. You don't have a credit history in Sweden = No agreement. Some, if you talk to them directly will agree to give a subscription if you pay a deposit in advance.

There are banks that allow you to open accounts without personal numbers, sometimes it can even vary between which branch office you go into.

Oh!, maybe you mean SFI ... but that isn't a restriction ... it is Swedish legislation that you have to be in the population register in the kommun that you want to study in. Swedish legislation also says that if you are resident for 12+ months you will be entered into the population register (this applies to Swedish Citizens as well as EU Citizens) ...so no discriminatory treatment there either.

So, just where has your freedom of movement been restricted by Skatteverket?

[Zedman]

I give up, obviousely you know everything. There ya go everybody else,EU advisors etc, Anything you need to know ask the Yorkshire mand , HE knows everything, and anything you have been told, think you may know or may have experienced is wrong,