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the second spoken language in Sweden

in UK its Bengali...

Mesost
post 17.Nov.2014, 03:18 PM
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i was wondering whats the 2nd most spoken language in Sweden. maybe Finnish, Arabic? i just wondered.,....
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skogsbo
post 17.Nov.2014, 03:36 PM
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you are obviously just trying to stir, so I'd get your facts correct first. Polish has been the UK's most common 2nd language for a few years now. But it depends how you define, most common language of non native English speakers, most common 2nd language of those with English as their first, and so forth...

Whilst you are obviously angling to a ME/African response, the most common here is probably still Finnish and it's various forms that are almost the same, but distinct enough to be considered standalone like Meänkieli, then there is Sami, Romani, Norwegian, Danish... or if you mean Swede's 2nd language, English and German, perhaps some Spanish sneaking in for odd reason. But then, what about Thai?
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Hisingen
post 17.Nov.2014, 03:46 PM
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Quite an interesting point. Over here on the west coast the locals speak Bohuslänska, which is a mixture of Swedish, Norwegian and even a touch of English (a bit twisted though). This is not too easy to understand even for a Swede. The same can be said, I believe, for way down south, where you have Skånska, which is also - apart from the articulation - somewhat mixed with Danish.
But they are more or less dialectal variations of Swedish, and if I get your reasoning, you are thinking in terms of actual foreign languages.
In my local village we hear quite a lot of immigrant languages, which are totally incomprehensible unless you are familiar with them. Somali, Iraqui, and Romani or how they are actually termed are those most prevalent at the moment. At a guess that is also the choice available elsewhere in Sweden. Finnish is less common than it was several years ago. perhaps due to those Finns having become more articulate in Swedish through the second generation.
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eardoctor
post 17.Nov.2014, 04:11 PM
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Skogsbo, what are you on about? an honest question surely. apparently Finnish is spoken by 4.5% of the population of Sweden. and you are wrong about the UK. Bengali is spoken by more people in UK than Polish.I think about 5% of the Swedish population speaks Arabic.
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skogsbo
post 17.Nov.2014, 04:16 PM
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the difference is with finnish, is that only the people from one country speak it, where as with ME/ African languages, like arabic, urdu, farsi... people from several nations speak it, like English is dominant in several countries/continents.. So you could have a clear winner in terms of number of immigrants from land X, their language might not be an out right winner as being the most popular non native language. Only a national census would provide the answers and then within a generation it would all change.
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skogsbo
post 17.Nov.2014, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (eardoctor @ 17.Nov.2014, 04:11 PM) *
and you are wrong about the UK. Bengali is spoken by more people in UK than Polish.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+most+comm...second+language

Surely it's about the common language of people who aren't native to a country? The one most spoken as a first language after English?

Here is a breakdown of the main 20 languages spoken by people in the UK, according to the 2011 Census.

:: English (English or Welsh if in Wales) 49,808,000 or 92.3% of the population
:: Polish 546,000 or 1%
:: Punjabi 273,000 or 0.5%
:: Urdu 269,000 or 0.5%
:: Bengali (with Sylheti and Chatgaya) 221,000 or 0.4%
:: Gujarati 213,000 or 0.4%
:: Arabic 159,000 or 0.3%
:: French 147,000 or 0.3%
:: All other Chinese (excludes Mandarin and Cantonese) 141,000 or 0.3%
:: Portuguese 133,000 or 0.2%
:: Spanish 120,000 or 0.2%
:: Tamil 101,000 or 0.2%
: Turkish 99,000 or 0.2%
:: Italian 92,000 or 0.2%
:: Somali 86,000 or 0.2%
:: Lithuanian 85,000 or 0.2%
:: German 77,000 or 0.1%
:: Persian/Farsi 76,000 or 0.1%
:: Tagalog/Filipino 70,000 or 0.1%
:: Romanian 68,000 or 0.1%

You'll note Polish trumps the 2nd and 3rd place combined. So like the OP get your facts right. wink.gif
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Sthlm83
post 17.Nov.2014, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (Hisingen @ 17.Nov.2014, 03:46 PM) *
Quite an interesting point. Over here on the west coast the locals speak Bohuslänska, which is a mixture of Swedish, Norwegian and even a touch of English (a bit twisted thou ... (show full quote)


Yeah, a proper Bohuslän dialect is almost impossible to grasp. Did my military service at AMF4 in Gothenburg and spent a lot of time in the Bohuslän archipelago. Every now and then you would come across some real old timer and it wasn't easy trying to figure out what the hell he just said...
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Mesost
post 17.Nov.2014, 04:23 PM
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maybe Skogsbo's source is wrong.
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skogsbo
post 17.Nov.2014, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Mesost @ 17.Nov.2014, 04:23 PM) *
maybe Skogsbo's source is wrong.

probably not, unless 250,000+ Bengalis lied and said they were Polish in the last UK census? I know a few people mess up the forms and become Jedis etc. but I don't think such a thing can be blamed for the clear Polish majority.
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Mesost
post 17.Nov.2014, 05:36 PM
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could it be....Skogsbo is one of those beings who calls one a racist as soon as anything non-European is "brought up" in a conversation, e.g. immigration? sounds like.
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intrepidfox
post 17.Nov.2014, 05:38 PM
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But according to wikipedia which also states the following

"The largest subgroup of British Asians are those of Punjabi origin (representing approximately two thirds of direct migrants from South Asia to the UK), from both India and Pakistan, they number over 2 million in the UK and are the largest Punjabi community outside of South Asia"

Surely they must speak the language and not 273,000 or 0.5% as stated.

Maybe as the Poles came second, could that mean they cannot speak English or ???
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skogsbo
post 17.Nov.2014, 07:52 PM
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It does not say 2m came directly from there, only they have heritage etc. So there is no guarantee they would still speak it. Plus I think people generally have pride in their heritage and would not hide the fact they could speak the language.

Edit- it is likely that many of the Punjabi community are 2nd or 3rd generation, speaking English and holding UK passports. So for 1.7m of them Bengali is their second , not first and won't qualify to be counted.
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skogsbo
post 17.Nov.2014, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (Mesost @ 17.Nov.2014, 05:36 PM) *
could it be...Skogsbo is one of those beings who calls one a racist as soon as anything non-European is "brought up" in a conversation, e.g. immigration? sounds like.

In a word, no. I thought you were trolling, not racist related. As you have yet to join or make further comment in the debate, you still appear rather trollish?

So, what do you think poles in UK? Fins here? Join the thread discussion you started.
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Emerentia
post 18.Nov.2014, 12:33 AM
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1) Swedish (8 000 000)
2) Finnish (235 000)
3) Serbo-Croatian (113 000)
4) Arabic (93 000)
5) Kurdish (66 000)
6) Spanish (65 000)
7) German (64 000)
8) Persian (59 000)
9) Norwegian (56 000)
10) Danish (54 000)
11) Polish (49 000)
11) Albanian (49 000)
13) English (44 000)
14) Arameic (36 000)
15) Turkish (34 000)
16) Somalian (25 000)
17) Hungarian (21 000)
18) Russian (19 000)
19) Thai (16 000)
20) Cantonese (14 000)
20) Greek (14 000)

Source:
"Sveriges språk - vem talar vad och var?"
http://spraktidningen.se/blogg/sveriges-storsta-sprak
http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.js...id=diva2:225395
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Kalyissa
post 18.Nov.2014, 03:23 PM
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Only 44,000 of us speaking English? Then again I have never filled in a census thingy my fiance always calls them crap and throws them away.
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