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'What about Sweden makes it feel so safe?'

The Local
post 21.Dec.2012, 04:08 PM
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In the wake of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in the United States, US-native and parent [b]Rebecca Ahlfeldt[/b] reflects why Sweden feels like such a safe place to raise children.

In the days leading up to the Christmas holidays, while Swedish news is filled with complaints about snow removal and Disney's cuts on the Christmas Eve classic "Santa's Workshop," the US news has been dominated by a much darker event: the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that took the lives of 20 children and six adults.

Here, as a token representative of "America" across the Atlantic, the question I've fielded most in the wake of this tragedy is this: Why does the US government allow its citizens to own guns at all, let alone semi-automatic weapons?

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calebian22
post 22.Dec.2012, 05:12 PM
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Location: Jönköping county
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
See that pesky comma after free state? That is where most people who don't know diddly about the 2nd amendment, get it wrong. The second amendment establishes a militia to guard against a heavy handed government (Like the one in England the founding fathers were revolting against), and the second part, after the comma gives the people the right to individually arm themselves against both.
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entry
post 23.Dec.2012, 02:58 AM
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Location: Västra Götaland
Joined: 1.Jul.2007

The concerted effort by the state sponsored/supplemented media and public officials to suppress news regarding violent crime greatly leads to the 'image' of Sweden's safe society.
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5978
post 23.Dec.2012, 03:10 AM
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From another American, there are no easy answers for the tragedy that occurred in Sandy Hook CT. A culture bathed in violence from the "entertainment" industry, video games (all mass shooters have been ID'd by the FBI as gamers), a mainstream media that generally offers inane content, an inadequate mental health care and regulations, breakdown of the family, etc.
Relative to a sense of safety in Sweden, having traveled throughout the nation in 1973, I wondered what made the country so peaceful, the people so trusting. One factor seemed to be evident in talking with people, in a nation of generally a homogeneous group of people, ethnic, racial, religious/philosophy, etc., there seems to be less strife and discord. The same could be said of other European nations. Listening to Swedes, the Dutch, French and others, where the highest crime and strife took place was where immigration was the highest. It may be that eventually societies with significant immigration, everyone learns to live together peacefully. It is probably safe to say that the U.S. has the highest influx of immigrants of any nation on earth. It takes generations for people of different backgrounds to get along well. This condition does not directly address what happened in Sandy Hook, but America is an evolving society far more than most nations, and have social institutions to refine for the well being of all its citizens. In some ways, Sweden is fortunate, it has never had to deal with the same enormous challenges America has.
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Svensksmith
post 23.Dec.2012, 03:29 PM
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Well, I don't think the average citizen should own an automobile. Have you seen how those idiots drive out there?
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kenny8076
post 23.Dec.2012, 11:57 PM
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Location: United States
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@ Entry... thank you.... i have been saying that for years. People here are absolutely blinded by what goes on in their country.... greatest denial country ive ever been in.
and as far as the article.... people make it seem like EVERY where in America has crime and murder. there are counties and sections that have barely or no crime at all. there hadnt been a murder in Newtown in over a decade. and the body they found was a missing women from the 80's. The town my grandfather lives in, in Michigan hasnt had a killing since the early 90's. he hasnt locked his doors since he's lived there since the 70's.
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redblue
post 24.Dec.2012, 05:57 AM
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615 277 Swedes have weapon permits, or about 9% of the adult population. Not a very low figure, is it?
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anonymous4
post 24.Dec.2012, 07:32 AM
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In the United States the National Rifle Association is very powerful. They don't seem to want to give up their weapons, including the right of all USA people to have assault weapons.
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VicTaulic
post 24.Dec.2012, 04:57 PM
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This is an example of a horrible tragedy that special interest groups love to hijack for their own purposes. This one something for everyone. Folks who want to ban guns, advocates for autism/asperger's/whatever, security companies, generic "protect the kid" types, and others.
The only conclusion that I draw is that if parents want to assign their right to educate their kids to a public or private institution, there are downsides.
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Karlo1
post 25.Dec.2012, 09:33 AM
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I lived most of my life in the states and have lived about 13 recent years in Sweden. I see many flaws in the statements made by the writer of the above story.
The population of Sweden is about 9 Million so since the states have about 40 times as many people, bad things will happen about 40 times as often. The sandy hook story, along with many other stories, does not prove that it is safer in Sweden. In fact, as far as safety goes I have seen no significant difference here. I live in Sweden, about 20 meters from a road that has a posted speed limit of 50 Km/Hr. About 90% of the drivers travel on this road at rates between 50 and 90 Km/Hr. This is an unsafe situation since we have 2 small children and so do 2 other families near us on the same street.
Another fact that comes to mind is that my 4 year old boy was non-aggressive and did not hit others with his hands or feet until a few weeks after he attended daggis here. Now, we have a lot of trouble trying to unlearn what he learned at swedish daggis. I live in a small village and a young girl was murdered and raped and on another occasion an eldery cititizen was stomped to death by a group of teen age boys. Good things happen here as well, just like they do in the states, except they happen more often in the states because there are more people.
To sum it up, nothing is special about Sweden. The variety of climates and choices
available in the states is much better than in Sweden. The climate, the goods for sale, and even the remaining freedoms. One of the negatives that stand out for me about Sweden is that they take much more in taxes than in the states and what the Swedish state returns for these high taxes is not worth it. I only stay here because I have a nice mate who wants to be near her family. There are many places in the world that are much better to live than Sweden.
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SecondGen
post 25.Dec.2012, 11:01 AM
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I live in Chicago, IL, USA and after the Sandy Hook shooting my son asked if that could happen in his school (he attends high school).
I told him the odds were higher of him being shot on the way to or from school than being shot in school, but even those were low because we live in a safe neighborhood and his high school already has armed officers in it (in fact, when I attended high school in the 1970's in Chicago we also had police officers in our school during the day, one was my football coach).
For the 2010-2011 school year, 319 Chicago Public School students were shot and wounded and 24 were killed outside of school, none inside as our schools have had police inside for decades. Since those children shot were primarily African American, no one really cares. Certainly when a drive by shooting kills a 7 or 8 year old, Chicago Police go a little gonzo in the hood and get a confession pretty quick (no clue if it's really the right guy, google "Chicago Police Torture scandal" for more info on that) people pretty much accept that minorities will be shot.
Guy drives a '62 Buick convertible into a bad neighborhood, gets shot in the stomach and tossed to the side of the road to die while some kids take the car for a 4 block joy ride and then abandon it. I drove my Porsche thru a bad neighborhood on a shortcut and three kids ran out into the street to throw bricks at me.
Guns aren't the problem in the United States, the culture is.
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randyt
post 26.Dec.2012, 06:00 AM
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Location: United States
Joined: 22.Dec.2006

From 1996 until 2004 I worked at a job that took me to Sweden dozens of times. I made most those trips to Stockholm but made trips also to Gothenberg and Karlstad. Sweden was and is one of the safest places I've every visited or lived in.
I also have lived in Japan for eight years, it is even safer than Sweden by most any measurement.
Here is the difference between these countries and the USA. Neither of these countries have a culture of death and violence. Sweden gave that up after the Vikings (as did all the Nordic countries) and Japan gave up violence as a means to settle disagreements after WW2. Americans would do well to look at these countries and model their laws after the ones there. (In fact it was the the American military that helped the Japanese write their anti-war constitution - seems soldiers that have seen the absolute uselessness of war that want it banned.)
The NRA has went from an organization that was more member oriented for the purpose of gun safety, hunting issues, and spot shooting issues. My father was a long time member - he is now 92 and says he left them when they became obsessed with mostly weapons of mass human killing. I'd add that they are now the single biggest gun lobby for the manufactures of guns designed with killing of humans as their only purpose. (You can check that out, research how much money they get from these companies.)
Last but not least anyone that after hearing of the slaughter of children in Newtown was "oh no they will come after my assault guns" are just heartless people. They should be made to view the photos of all the death in that school and if they still love their guns over humanity we should ask them to move to Somalia.
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Migga
post 26.Dec.2012, 11:36 AM
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@ Karlo1
If you want to bad mouth Sweden then you shouldn`t talk about traffic safety or violence at kindergardens. Sweden has one of the lowest, if not the lowest, rates of traffic related deaths and swedish boys fight less then in other countries;
http://www.thelocal.se/45050/20121213/
Sweden is one of the best countries in the world and you can live the a great life here if you want.
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CJ from Sunshine Desserts
post 26.Dec.2012, 07:20 PM
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Joined: 29.May.2011

Americans feel the need to defend themselves, but against what, its almost as if theyre still fighting the british 200 years ago...or waiting for the commies to invade. Seems the US can only win by violence, they have been at war every year now since 1941. Still any individual who is mentally disturbed can kill, only a few years ago a madman went wild in Gamla Stan with an iron bar...he killed one elderly woman. Check out Ted Nugent being interviewd by Piers Morgan on u-tube...it would be ironic if some NRA members lost family...
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eppie
post 26.Dec.2012, 09:34 PM
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Joined: 29.Apr.2010

@calebian
The 2nd amendment is too outdated to describe with words.
It doesn't have anything to do with the situation in the US for the last 200 years.
It is misused by people with interests in the weapons business.
It must be a good feeling to have the right to defend yourself with a gun, but all numbers show it is a fake feeling of security.
So supporting the 2nd amendment or not is a battle of heart against brain.
I tend to choose to use my brain.
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