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Driftkostnad for the Villa

Normally 10 times higher than Lägenhet

Boar
post 23.Feb.2013, 01:21 PM
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Why is it so that the Driftkostnad is that much high?

I was checking about some villas to buy in future. But, what makes them such high?

Is it possible to get rid of Driftkostnad? I am particularly looking for a villa in a village and close to some other residents. Not, just all alone in the forest.
Usually for a lägenhet it costs 400 per month. For a same living space for a villa it is costing around 4000 sek. Lot of difference. I am talking about normal house costs.

What actually includes in Driftkostnad:
1) Electricity
2) Heating of the house
3) Garbage picking
and?
Can anyone explain to me the average costs could be if the Driftkostnad is 4000 sek per month.
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Children Of Adam
post 23.Feb.2013, 01:28 PM
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Joined: 20.Dec.2011

The mentality of each governments around the world is; if people live in villa then they are rich, so get more money out of their pocket". It is not only Sweden, it happens all over world and I dont really the reason for it. Some one else can maybe help me as well to understand.
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Hisingen
post 23.Feb.2013, 01:49 PM
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Location: Västra Götaland
Joined: 5.Jul.2012

To a great extent it is the provision of services that gives rise to the extra expense. A block of say 40 flats has basically one service point for all - Electricity, water, drainage, garbage, tlelphone, heating, delivery, meters (water and electricity).
For a housing estate of the same number of houses you multiply all that by 40, and spread it over a much larger area. Add to that the fact that 40 houses often cost far more to build than 40 flats, and the ground area necessary is far greater, adding to the need for a greater surface water collection system. It all adds up, and whilst it does often seem disproportionate, the authorities have their arguments ready. Everyone in the provivion of a service has to go that much further on a housing estate compared to a block of flats etc. They have answers ready at the drop of a hat, and any houseowner is fully aware of the fact that there is little they can do to combat the differentiation.
One small thing about services - nowadays many electricity meters are read from afar, thus obviating the need for a meter reader to go round to each individyal meter, but so far there has been no reduction in the price of 'delivery' that necessitates the reading even though the cost of the meter reader is no longer necessary.
Ah - the justification of it all ! ! ! ! rolleyes.gif
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Boar
post 23.Feb.2013, 02:07 PM
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Joined: 2.Jul.2011

Thanks for the explanation.
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Yorkshireman
post 23.Feb.2013, 04:15 PM
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Joined: 22.Nov.2011

QUOTE (Boar @ 23.Feb.2013, 01:21 PM) *
Usually for a lägenhet it costs 400 per month. For a same living space for a villa it is costing around 4000 sek. Lot of difference. I am talking about normal house costs.

You need to define what is included in your figure of 400:- ..is it just electricity bill/month? ... or is it a Bostadsrätt and there are other costs you pay in a month (BRF avgift), or a rented apartment ...what's the total rent? All cost need to be taking into consideration.

But in general, according the electricity companies, the average Swedish apartment for 2 people uses 12.000 KWh/year and the average Villa uses 25.000 KWh/year. That includes a total calculation including heating costs, which in apartments is normally paid by the tenant either in their rent, or BRF Avgift.

If you are in a BRF, then part of your monthly fee is the loan repayments/interest that the BRF itself has etc... The annual report of a BRF can be used to breakdown the monthly fee into it's components and factor up again in relation to owning your own house.

Again, a house whilst running costs are 1 thing, don't forget that there is also maintenance to be done on the property itself to keep it in good shape

Many things to consider. wink.gif
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Max Reaver
post 23.Feb.2013, 09:36 PM
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Joined: 26.May.2011

Boar, this doesn't sound right. I lived in both rented apartments, bostadsrätt apartments and villa. You shouldn't compare the maintenance costs like that.

First of all, in rented apartments you pay rent to the company. The electricity bill is not much, but you pay a lot as rent.

In bostadsrätt, apartments are all arranged in housing associations that manage every block. There is no rent but you have to pay monthly fee to the association. Driftkostnad also comes along, but the total cost is more expensive than the rent for a similar sized rental apartment.

In villa, the house is your own. You don't pay rent and don't pay fee to some association, so 4000 SEK, that's it. If you don't have to pay back any mortgages for your loan, then living cost in a villa is cheaper than living in similar-sized apartments.

And no, you cannot skip Driftkostnad unless you want to live without water, electricity and garbage disposal.
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Micardo
post 23.Feb.2013, 10:56 PM
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If you have komunal avlops/vatten/ garbage you will pay about 1000kr every month for this. In the land with your own well and a poo tank its about 100kr a month for the garbage and 500kr every year to de poo the tank. Its a big difference.
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Puffin
post 24.Feb.2013, 10:55 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

For apartments many costs are included in the rent such as building insurance, major repairs, maintenance and gardenings etc. So when you become responsible for your own it can seem like a lot (especially if you have to call out the emergency heating engineer in winter!!)

Additionally - people generally move to a bigger property when they buy a house so the costs for heating and electricity are often higher
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Puffin
post 24.Feb.2013, 10:57 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

QUOTE (Children Of Adam @ 23.Feb.2013, 01:28 PM) *
The mentality of each governments around the world is; if people live in villa then they are rich, so get more money out of their pocket". It is not only Sweden, it happe ... (show full quote)

Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about - how does this relate to the running costs (Driftkostnad) of living in a house rather than an apartment?
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Hisingen
post 25.Feb.2013, 08:54 AM
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Location: Västra Götaland
Joined: 5.Jul.2012

A touch of the anti-capitalism coming to the fore, perhaps. cool.gif
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Boar
post 25.Feb.2013, 09:34 AM
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OK. If it is a villa, do I also have to cut the branches of trees and make the plants in some order and also paint the walls too, quite often?
It is interesting to know that I can get rid of electricity and heating.
Suppose if I have water connected. Does it mean that if I get rid of heating then automatically hot water is disconnected and I get only cold water?
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Puffin
post 25.Feb.2013, 10:50 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

QUOTE (Boar @ 25.Feb.2013, 09:34 AM) *
OK. If it is a villa, do I also have to cut the branches of trees and make the plants in some order and also paint the walls too, quite often?

Of course if you want to pay to maintain the value of your own asset rather than rent someone elses

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It is interesting to know that I can get rid of electricity and heating.

You might find it tough in winter

However many people use woodburners/Aga ranges as heating

No electricity is no fun at night in the winter (remembers a recent 2 hour power cut at minus 22C) but many Swedes live without both in their stugas in the summer.

But of course no electricty means no TV, lighting, computer, cooker, washing machine and fridge - if you are happy with that

Other people install ground/mountain heating, solar panels and windmills to reduce heating costs as well (depending on location). My neighbour centrally heats his farm and 8 room farmhouse with wood-fired central heating

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Suppose if I have water connected. Does it mean that if I get rid of heating then automatically hot water is disconnected and I get only cold water?

well duh

Although you can install one of those over-the-sink water heaters for the kitchen
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Max Reaver
post 25.Feb.2013, 11:04 AM
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Joined: 26.May.2011

I dont get the point... Boar is trying to cut corners like crazy for his villa. Do you want to buy the villa to resell it later without ever living in there? That's one logical explanation as to how you can skip the heating and electricity bill. Water is another issue, you have to have it connected to sell, but you can keep heating and electricity on hold by not paying Vattenfall or whatever. I guess Boar is not interested in living in his villa.
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Boar
post 25.Feb.2013, 07:59 PM
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Joined: 2.Jul.2011

To keep it on hold by not paying to Vattenfall? Did not get this. Not paid means Isn't it Kronofogden to be considered.

You mean, I ring Vattenfall and request them to disconnect?
Is heating and Electricity 2 bills and both can be from same company like ex. Vattenfall?

Suppose if I disconnect heating and have Electricity but if I do not use the Electricity do I still get some minimum bill?
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Johno
post 25.Feb.2013, 08:17 PM
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Joined: 23.Jul.2008

You are not making much sense, but you pay a minimum charge if your meter stays connected. You can probably get them to disconnect you completely (at the property boundary) and stop paying. But then there will be a reconnection fee at some time. Is a house liveable in without electricity ? Your choice. Wood fire, oil or gas lamps ? No electricity for a water pump. Not for most of us.
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