(edit title) Nationality is a lie in Sweden and everywhere else Challenge your Dogmas Options

[SOIS.COM]

Sweden is no different than most other nation states.

Challenging people's dogmas is often not well received since most people are too weak to do it. While the following may be offensive to some and even to myself it is only through challenging our own beliefs can we grow.

1. People are indoctrinated during the development period of their life that they are "Swedish".

During the indoctrination process children are educated with a number of relative truths the same as they are in most other nation states.

The whole process of indoctrination is to brainwash the individual to contributing more to the state in the long run then they get out of it. However, this is not objective nor in the best interests of the individual therefore nations deceive and coerce their citizenry into believing the half truths the nation state espouses as absolute truth.

2. People who allow themselves or their children to be indoctrinated by a state as to what to speak, what to learn, and what to believe are generally weak and only find strength through grouping together with people who were similarly indoctrinated. In other words those that defend the nation are often the weakest and most subservient form of human known.

3. Relativism. Nations, peoples, languages come and go. The nation state when indoctrinating you generally only has the interests of your benefit to them measured over a relatively short period. A few generations ago or a few generations in the future the dominion of where you are born may be or was different. That is history and if you are a student of it and want to set yourself and future lineage you will align yourself with the winners.

4. What you do as opposed to where you live may define you more so than any other time in history. If you live in the forests of Sweden and are an organic farmer you are likely connected to many other organic farmers around the world. The same could be true if you are a programmer, writer, or producer of content. The nation still has a great deal of meaning for people who are in specific roles which lock them into being dependent upon the nation...government employees, politicians are great examples.

To sum up points 1 through 4 and add a bit within the context of Sweden.

5A. Any immigrant who comes to Sweden are unlikely to see a great benefit from indoctrinating their kids to become Swedish. The likelihood that these people come from a culture or language group that is smaller or culturally poorer is unlikely. Before the internet and the internationalization of the world people did not have as many choices but now people who are independent minded and strong would be unlikely to indoctrinate themselves or their children within the Swedish dogmas. Who is to blame? Sweden really, if Sweden wants to be attractive to immigrants then long ago it should have conquered and achieved more. 9 million people in a medium sized country is just not good enough to give immigrants great opportunities so you attract the worst of the lot. Comparatively, Switzerland or Luxembourg have been able to attract the right immigrants but those societies have also aligned themselves to effectively cater to those immigrants.

6. What is the future of Sweden? Its not bright, a great book entitled "The Winner Takes it All" explains how China is winning on many levels. If I am an immigrant here I can benefit from this Swedish society in two way's.

6A. An immigrant can drink the kool aid and become as Swedish as possible hoping I will get lucky and find some lame job (any job working for someone else is a lame job).

6B. An immigrant can see the weaknesses in Sweden and exploit them. For example, Swedish labor is expensive help foreign companies to take the production of Sweden overseas...you will make a lot more money in that then option 6A. Swedish companies are under increasing competition..help the competitors the Huwaei's of the world beat the local competition. Only by destroying the Swedish economy, society, and culture can you rebuild it in a way to be competitive and sustainable. As an immigrant deconstructing Sweden is the most helpful thing you can do for the people here as along the lines the nation is currently formed it is on a slow downward spiral. A crash now, followed by rebuilding from the ground up is a better long term strategy.

Sweden like any other nation is about power. Whoever controls the resources controls the power. If immigrants want to be strong in Sweden they must take and hold as much power as possible to self actualize their own future. Sweden has opened up its borders to immigrants from around the world and its our job to shape our individual spaces in Sweden how we see fit not how Swedes think we should behave.

When Swedes talk about immigrants in the press they often speak in a tone or language of speaking about pets, subhumans, its really not the right of any indigenous Swede to speak on behalf of immigrants as they simply don't know what the hell they are talking about. Any media that relies on the Swedish government or Swedish people to provide an opinion about immigration is part of that lie of nationalism and at the end of the day must be deconstructed.

[Solith]

So... exactly like every single country in the world then

What's your point? That Sweden should break the mould and abandon its identity?

[SOIS.COM]

Sweden's identity is artificial and constructed as are most nation states. So in the worst case you as an individual would be abandoning a lie. Americans do not have a culture and were the first to give it up in exchange for consumerism, for the most part, evidenced by economic structures and behaviors similar yet not as pronounced as American's most of Western Europe has also given up a larger share of their culture for consumerism and their only cultural identity that really remains is language.

Its different if you are born into and destined to be part of the ruling elite of a nation...then you want to reinforce the identity. Also, if you sights are set on serving the ruling elite then you will defend the identity just as much and often even more fervently.

Rather if you are like most people you are not born anything other than human. You are trained to be Swedish, Brazilian, etc. Your life will be spent serving your government via taxes and most likely working as a peasant (non owner) for corporations owned and controlled by a ruling elite.

Therefore, by serving your society as a citizen you are basically acting as a slave in the interest of the slave owner. It would be different if you owned a piece of the production of your nation and could will it down to your children, however, that is reserved for the ruling elite which most likely you are not apart of.

Regardless of what western democracy we are talking about the system is the same the society is controlled by a very small percentage of the population and most are pawns within that system.

If it were not so then Swedes being the rational people they are would be doing some amazing things. Such as becoming a sustainable society via an "Apollo Mission". Nationalizing production, giving entry level workers ownership of their capacity to produce. However, Sweden is not really doing any of those things to an extent that sets it apart...instead Sweden is still to a small degree following its roots of WWII...that is as a refuge for fleeing Nazi's and Nazi sympathizers, well today more of a sentimentality. Lest not forget the Nazi sympathetic aristocratic industrialists and bankers who to this day still hold vast fortunes and influence. If the people were actually in control here Sweden would be doing some of those aforementioned things as you are bright enough as a nation and have the carrying capacity to do it. However, like most nations you are controlled by special interests that have a different agenda.

I would not recommend that all nations allow their people to lead. However, Swedes are educated and tempered enough to lead themselves they just have not had the courage to unite against the few and redistribute the society to the many. Many of the activities by the ruling elite in Argentina and Iceland have also occurred to a degree in Sweden and other western nations. In Argentina we see companies being liberated by the people and Iceland kicking out the elitists. Sweden has a chance to as well, you as a nation have not hit rock bottom yet but the indicators are there that you will and when you do that's when you can restructure your society. How you do it and what is done is another story all together.

Lastly I would add and reinforce from the previous post that it is the Swedish government who gives the right for immigrants to live here. I see all too frequently in the media attacks against immigrants when those attacks should really be directed against the government. Its simple really..if Sweden did not sell so many weapons it would not have to bring in so many refugees it displaces because of the destruction and murder wrought by the arms Swedish armament companies sell. I find it very odd that Swedes often blame immigrants for so many social ills in your country when most of these refugees would not be here in the first place if you did not sell weapons that killed members of their family, tribe, or nation. Imagine if America occupied Sweden for a decade and used British weapons to kill Swedes...then Swedes migrated to Britain as refugees where the media could not stop talking about the extremist Lutherans who act like drunken vikings on weekends yet refuse to own up to their behavior when sober. So, if Sweden wants to exist in a quagmire of rhetoric like most nations then do so, but it would be more interesting to see if Swedes are capable of rising above it. I have my doubts though...

[Bettyinsweden]

Good grief!

[Dazzler]

Trows alter-ego I assume?

[byke]

While I do understand what I think the OP is trying to relay, it would appear that an over analysis with the use of concessions has been given to justify its value. Which in itself leads to questions the value of what was intended.

Either way ... I hope your school issues for your child have or are resolving themselves.

[Puffin]

OP - i hope you pass your essay

[sometimesinsweden]

Far too lazy to read pseudo-academic essays on nationalism.

People see it in different ways and there's no right or wrong.

[Gamla Hälsingebock]

What's wrong with acting like a drunken Viking?

[Mzungu]

^
Nothing!

[byke]

Acting like a drunken Viking is offensive to Swedes, since Sweden never had Vikings ... Yet it's neighbors (Norway and Denmark) did.

[Gamla Hälsingebock]

What a brilliant observation and remark!

[frey]

where did you buy those mushrooms?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Thanks for the reference, Dazzler, but I don't have an alter ego. But if I did, it could be like the OP's ego.

I have had for a long time rather coherent ideas about social organization and political rule where ideologies of various sorts play a role. Ideologies in general promote some myth about social peace where the evils of actual ones are essentially removed. In the absence of this harmony, all of them can resort to expedients and even evils of all sorts.

The dominance of nationalism in today's world rests upon the collapse of more general ideologies, especially socialism, communism, and liberalim, while the only other one of any adherence is globalism which most people find a threat rather than a salvation.

Nationalism was quite violent while it was taking hold in Europe, getting people who spoke the same language and adhered to the same religion under the rule of the same state, but once it became established, it was the best ideology around.

When super-national organizations started coming into play - the UN, the EU, NATO, WTO, etc. - they put increasing pressure on small nation states like Sweden, and it will become an increasing backwater of today's developed world, as it struggles to keep up.

It still will not disappear, though, any time soon.

[Gamla Hälsingebock]

Nationalism:

One country!

One leader!

One people!

Now, is that really a bad idea!

We all know the Austrian espoused this same idea...the copycat!