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Query: How to go to Sweden

and live there.

Shadi M
post 4.Dec.2013, 12:22 AM
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Location: Asia
Joined: 2.Dec.2013

Hello guys;
What are the chances for a 34 y.o Arab man to live and die in Sweden? not as an asylum immigrant or joining close relatives/spouse with no plan to get married in future, and not even a rich business man to invest?
Working in Sweden is a solution but it's not easy to find a suitable job to your experience or got accepted online!
Are there any chances, tips?
Thank you!
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deaftoned
post 4.Dec.2013, 12:39 AM
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Joined: 3.Dec.2010

0 percent?

especially that you have this weird logic asking such a weird question with no real content. You mentioned nothing about your skills, expertise, background, career aspirations, current status, etc.

cheers
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Shadi M
post 4.Dec.2013, 01:46 AM
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Location: Asia
Joined: 2.Dec.2013

I didn't know I should give more details, was talking in general.
I am a single Jordanian, got B.Sc degree in Computer science in 2002, working in retail sales after graduated till now, that where I got my experience from, most experience in sales, customer services, small-stores management, simple marketing skills and sales improving not as marketing specialist but as what I feel it needs.
Recent I 'm a Store assistant manager and Beauty Adviser for luxury brands "Perfumes, cosmetics, and skincare" since 2007 in the biggest Luxury brands Agency in Jordan Abu Shakra Trading.
planing to get master in Marketing or some equivalent courses.
My work skills orbiting around taking things seriously about your job, if you did that, you will success!

cheers!
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Potentialexpat
post 4.Dec.2013, 01:56 AM
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Joined: 16.Oct.2012

My advise is to apply for a masters program at a Swedish university. Preferably in or close to Stockholm. The Residency permit gives you the right to work, and reside in Sweden. I also advise that you learn Swedish as quick as possible. They actually have some jobs for IT, and developers in Stockholm that are offered in English if you are tech savvy enough, and up for it. Though they are extremely hard to get as you are competing with people with more contacts, and references under your belt. If you work for long enough, and are reliable at a particular firm...They may sponsor your work visa when your permit expires.

If you already know English you will find it much easier to go to Canada, USA, UK, and Australia to find a job, and assimilate. In fact I would even argue that it would be way easier for you to just get British citizenship, and move to Sweden. British citizenship entitles you the right to work, and reside anywhere in the EU....(Sweden is in the EU)


If your in Sweden, and can land a Swedish girlfriend, and win her heart over enough to sambo you. (I also must warn you Swedes are not the easiest to get into an actual relationship.) In fact most people I know samboed met their other half in their own country, and not in Sweden. It may be possible for you to extend your stay in Sweden, and gain Swedish citizenship. I find it amazing that someone comes to The Local looking for honest advise, and is turned away, and told he has a zero percent chance. Really though a Masters program is the only advice I can offer you in your situation.
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Shadi M
post 4.Dec.2013, 02:36 AM
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Location: Asia
Joined: 2.Dec.2013

Thanks for your advices guys, that what made me interested in Sweden in the beginning, getting master, cause I knew in the past Sweden was supporting foreigners to study free in Universities and Germany too was doing that but stopped. A mistake I did after school in 1997 studying in a weak Jordanian Univ. that did cost my father more than 40,000 dollars and not going for a scholarship in one of these countries that their businessmen was paying taxes to help foreigners to learn.
Ignorance is an ocean, my Univ still get more students.

@ Potentialexpat, your idea is great dude but will work for me if I can work in the same time while studying to support family, is it allowed to work on study permit??
I wish the problem was just in the language, youtube made it easier, almost learned Deutsch, Danish, and Polish last years but stopped. And I have no plan to get married in the future, I may get kicked out after I finish my master smile.gif)
Thanks you.
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Potentialexpat
post 4.Dec.2013, 05:32 AM
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QUOTE (Shadi M @ 4.Dec.2013, 02:36 AM) *
Thanks for your advices guys, that what made me interested in Sweden in the beginning, getting master, cause I knew in the past Sweden was supporting foreigners to study free ... (show full quote)



The permit you get to study in Sweden is a residence permit which gives you the legal right to work. Though you also need a bank account, and a Swedish person number. So you can work if you are on a residency visa. Also you do not need to get married to be on a Sambo Visa you just need to be living with a Swedish girl or man (If your into them) that is your Sambo, and have proof of a relationship.

If you have no problem with Swedish or can pick it up in the year I highly suggest going to Stockholm were most of the places offering IT jobs in English are...Also if you can speak Swedish, and are a legal resident you can get other jobs in Swedish to. Good luck though!!!
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deaftoned
post 4.Dec.2013, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Potentialexpat @ 4.Dec.2013, 01:56 AM) *
It may be possible for you to extend your stay in Sweden, and gain Swedish citizenship. I find it amazing that someone comes to The Local looking for honest advise, and is tur ... (show full quote)


I did not state that. Didn't you notice the "?". I wanted him to state relevant information which he did. And yes it was weird from him to state such a question without googling and researching around first.

Anyway as for you Shadi, the education entry thing is nearly impossible because you have to show that you can pay tuition fees and cover your expenses (around 40K at least/ a year). Can you afford that? If so, it means you're rich and you can go to better universities in the UK, Germany, the US etc where the visa options are more favorable.

Or you could get a scholarship? This needs time, determination and a bucket load of luck.

In fact, I know a real dude here in Stockholm who is from Jordan. Smart, fluent in English and world class. He came here on a scholarship, studying an advanced IT topic, and guess what? He is struggling a lot now with visa issues because no company would sponsor his work permit after his studies. He keeps telling me he wish that he is Syrian.. lol. Or that he just has a Swedish/ European girlfriend. Things would have been 10000 times easier.

He brought his partner with him when he moved here. And they're both struggling with visa issues. all they could get is short project-based work permits, student visa extensions etc.

If u're a third country national, Sweden's system is made in a way that favors people who are refugees or people who has Swedish/European partners. Otherwise it is just a massive mountain to climb..

In fact, in a recent EU report, Sweden is worst in the whole EU in retaining talent. Just saying.

I met a lot of Jordanians in the UK, and I have heard that there are many of them in the US and they're doing well. So weigh your options. Sweden is an unpopular place for Jordanians, and you really do not want to come to a place where they put all "MENA"/ Muslim people in the same basket. Proven discrimination (check the SVT report about that CV experiment). But that is not another topic.

Either way, good luck!
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Shadi M
post 4.Dec.2013, 01:02 PM
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Location: Asia
Joined: 2.Dec.2013

Thank you guys for making things more clearer, I couldn't find these info you provided in the internet easily, I even wrote a letter to the office of Tobias Billstrm Minister for Migration and they guided me well on where to get the proper information and help, that's why I'm here.
I appreciate your help;
Sounds that being in Sweden is an elusive aspiration except as an asylum refugee which I refuse, no plans to stay isolated from the community, and as Potentialexpat and deaftoned suggested Canada and US may be more prepared to get foreigners now and find assimilate there, but became impossible to go there without a fake spouse marriage which leads to divorce.
That's not a flaw in Sweden, the country did well in the past but I think it needs a vent and have many priorities must be concerned about first.
Also UK, who refuse to study the multiplication table in of the UK universities, but it's not prepared for more, especially 2014 maybe the hardest year in the world economic crisis.
I maybe headed to Yemen to chew weeds, the only country welcome anyone on earth... anyway
Thanks for your help guys, and because it is hard to get accepted in a job on the internet,
I appreciate it a lot if you provide us with more articles/threads/sites to learn more about how to became suitable to meet the requirements for jobs on the First World countries, as deaftoned mentioned an important thing in his first reply.
No one ever asked me about my job or life aspirations!
Thanks a lot.
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deaftoned
post 5.Dec.2013, 10:14 PM
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Joined: 3.Dec.2010

I appreciate it a lot if you provide us with more articles/threads/sites to learn more about how to became suitable to meet the requirements...
Thanks a lot.
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Provide us? Why how many people are you?
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Shadi M
post 5.Dec.2013, 10:45 PM
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Location: Asia
Joined: 2.Dec.2013

lol.. I meant to whom may need the same help? or read this post and may benefit your help?
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