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Health care system in danger for low income swedes

Bourgeois Alliance parties with a support by SD

sv100
post 15.Dec.2014, 11:07 PM
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That's just an example for Planes of Alliance parties , and this time with support from SD will screw all systems of welfare and create classes among folk . ( taking from low income swedes to support rich folk )
( It's the welfare that never enhanced for years )
( thousands will be affected every year )

They didn't treat the critical issues like high unemployment rate & shortage in housings with increasing queue every year, properly and instead of that, they are contuining to screw the welfare system .

Furthermore , any follower for the Swedish politics will know that they didn't cooperate with the Government / coalition , but they are creating troubles with coordination & cooperation with SD .

As I've said before , folk will choose party because of its plans rather than for its persons .


http://mobil.svd.se/opinion/alliansen-och-...gar_svd-4183701

They ( bourgeois alliance parties ) also chose to minimised the gender equality package just today!
Who knows about future Education ,, etc


Just to add that , it's normal that S will go for the next election individually and it's normal to give chance to supporters to select among parties , and according to Göran Persson , they probably will not make coalition again with MP .
Anyway , No body can expect what will happen !
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skogsbo
post 16.Dec.2014, 08:07 AM
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oh dear, you are beyond words today.
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LLHope
post 17.Dec.2014, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (sv100 @ 15.Dec.2014, 11:07 PM) *
and create classes among folk .

Classes have always existed in one form or another, they are not being created. Sweden is not a classless society.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 15.Dec.2014, 11:07 PM) *
( taking from low income swedes to support rich folk )

More socialist rhetoric, let's correct this... Socialists will have you believe (and it seems that you do) that a tax reduction is giving people something??? Since when has NOT TAKING something become the same as giving something? You are not taking as much from the persons income in the form of taxes, that is not the same as giving them money, you haven't collected it to give it!!! Hope that isn't too difficult for you to understand?

Now, let's look at income tax comparing a lower income (20.000) and higher income (60.000) and see
what happened between 2005 (Socialist government) and 2014 (end of Alliance mandate):

Income 20.000/m
2005, Income after tax = 14.228
2014, Income after tax = 16.125
Tax difference = -2105 (approx 10.52% increase in income after tax)

Income 60.000/m
2005, Income after tax = 34.022
2014, Income after tax = 39.022
Tax difference = -6049 (approx 10.08% increase in income after tax)

The result is that the Alliance increased disposable income for lower and higher income
groups by approx the same amount between 10-11%. Which seems very fair to me, there was no
increase in tax burden on low compared to high income, in fact the lower income did actually
gain more as a percentage of disposable income. Socialists try to blind by hoping you do not
understand or check facts.


QUOTE (sv100 @ 15.Dec.2014, 11:07 PM) *
( It's the welfare that never enhanced for years ) . ( thousands will be affected every year )

Define enhanced?
Only the socialists believe that people should be kept at the mercy of the State and trapped into welfare, that way they guarantee votes from those groups as they promise a slight increase in benefit levels. Other political parties believe that as many people should do their best to get into (helped into) work and contribute to public financing through taxes.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 15.Dec.2014, 11:07 PM) *
They didn't treat the critical issues like high unemployment rate & shortage in housings with increasing queue every year, properly and instead of that, they are contu ... (show full quote)

The Alliance government did an excellent job of keeping unemployment down during a time of economic crisis and mass-immigration. The socialists will just massage and play tricks with statistics by taking people off the unemployment list via tax funded schemes and writing people off sick, their usual trick!

Example of their manipulation: The last socialist government, between 1998 and 2006, changed
the sick rules so that 500.000 people were written permanently off work (förtidspension). Half
a million people!!! It became a running joke outside of sweden amongst economists and politicians, that Sweden was coming in the top of Worlds Healthiest nations yet were writing so many people
off work permanently sick!!! Socialist tricks.

Housing queues contain a very large percentage of people that already have accommodation, looking
at the size of a queue is nonsense. The Alliance fought to change the laws to make it more economic to build accomodation, which is showing an increase now in building projects. One of the reasons that new builds are delayed is the planning rules where local kommuns block building, and this happens even in socialist run kommuns biggrin.gif To target the Alliance is what the socialists would like you to do, but the fact is that the socialists are the ones that make it uneconomic to build and prevent growth in many areas.


QUOTE (sv100 @ 15.Dec.2014, 11:07 PM) *
They ( bourgeois alliance parties ) also chose to minimised the gender equality package just today!

biggrin.gif You fall for yet more socialist rhetoric. Go look at the budget, you will find that the area you talk about is actually increased in real terms from previous years. Exactly how that money will be spent is dependant upon the Ministry involved which the Alliance do not manage, it is the socialists that manage the ministries, currently.
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sv100
post 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM
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Those Alliance parties missed many items in their budget like

Asset /support to children & women equality , pensioners & low income swedes !!
They even refused to raise A-kassa nor pensioners pay level !


Look through this report that describes the deficits of Alliance budget :

http://mobil.svd.se/opinion/vilka-besparin...sen_svd-4190015

LLHope , is repeating that taxes has minimised with years during previous government but it's significant value for those who work with good pay not those with low pay !

Add to that , that previous government has screwed the Welfare system and they only minimised taxes , which is like ( taking from poor to give rich ) ! Because only high pay folk will get Benefit of this.

You have more than 500,000 jobless or low pay / part-time worker and those will not get benefit from your minimised taxes .
Your housing queue is increasing ( not even stable ) !

New government has introduces plans to help this category , which is among many points NOT mentioned in the items of Alliance budget !!
Look to items of your budget , as your budget must be comprehensive NOT only for those who got fixed high pay JOB !
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LLHope
post 17.Dec.2014, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
& women equality
The law already has measures that provide for equality! Or do you mean like RFSU who immediately when the socialists got into government spend tax payers money on finding a word for female masturbation since the standard one is apparently for men!!! Typical socialist waste of money.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
support to children
Child support was raised multiple times during the alliance years in government, go check with Försäkringskassan. You seem to forget the fact that throughout the election campaign the Socialists said they would raise child benefit by at least 100:- as it was top priority ... There was NOTHING about that in the Socialist budget proposal that was rejected by parliament. Oh!, a socialist ruse to get more votes!

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
pensioners pay level !
During the Alliance government tax for pensioners was reduced 5 times, yes, FIVE times, which gave the average pensioner today 850:-/m more, and average increase of more than 100:-/year in government (personally I think it was not enough). The Socialists only offered 50:-/ in their budget!!! Insulting considering the tax increases they propose, plus they make it more difficult for pensioners to work after 65 by proposing to increase employer charges for employing pensioners that still want to work!!! Socialists!


QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
Look through this report that describes the deficits of Alliance budget :. http://mobil.svd.se/opinion/vilka-besparin...sen_svd-4190015
This week sees the presentation of the budgets. What you claim are deficits are what others would say are typical socialist we-spend-other-peoples-money on waste. Alliance budget is prudent economic management, I am happy to see no tax increases yet still they present a balanced budget. Whether it has been adjusted since I last reviewed it I am not sure, will see what is presented. The original budget presented in Nov. I am happy with, it is what I voted for and I hope it is what goes through smile.gif

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
LLHope , is repeating that taxes has minimised with years during previous government but it's significant value for those who work with good pay not those with low pay !
All workers with pay had their disposable income increased during the Alliance years. Socialists will have it that everyone has lower pay and through jealousy and spite want to take as much as possible from those that have, but do not be fooled by the Robin Hood rhetoric that they give it to the poor ...they waste it. I would rather the socialists spent money on making sure a single mother with child has some more kroner per month than spend tax payers money trying to think up a word for female masturbation! or wasting 4.000.000:- per day by holding up the building of the Stockholm bypass whilst they argue amongst S and MP!!! Yet more socialist waste.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
Add to that , that previous government has screwed the Welfare system
How?

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
and they only minimised taxes , which is like ( taking from poor to give rich )
Already shown you that tax reductions benefit the low income just as much as the high in percentage disposable income gain. (Guess you didn't understand that!). If by poor you mean people on welfare support, well tax cuts do not effect them since they do not pay tax on that income. But how did someone take money from them? Reducing taxes releases more money into the economy which then hopefully creates more real jobs (not the fake socialist ones), more real jobs gives more tax payers which in return gives more tax revenue to support the welfare system. Socialists only believe in creating public sector fake jobs using tax payers money, making everyone pay more to cover the increased spending but less people really working! A recipe for disaster ... oh!, they already done that once before when the entire economy collapsed!


QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
You have more than 500,000 jobless or low pay / part-time worker and those will not get benefit from your minimised taxes .
They do get their benefit, if they are entitled to it, no benefits have been cut! (if you have example of cut then feel free to post it). The real question is, were 500.000 people really unable to work? The socialists changed the rules to get them off the unemployment statistics, a normal trick for them, so they could claim they reduced unemployment. It was brave of the Alliance to change the rules and try and get them back into work, technically increasing the unemployment level when they had a program to reduce it. It was tooooo easy to be written off permanently sick, a BIG cost to tax payers when they might be able to do some form of paid work.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:40 AM) *
New government has introduces plans to help this category
What plan? It tried to have SCB stop producing statistics with regards people available for work, then the next move would be again to change the sick rules so they could push people into permanent sickness, paid by tax payers, so they would be removed from the unemployment statistics! Same old socialist plan (read: dirty trick).
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sv100
post 17.Dec.2014, 06:00 PM
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Socialists only believe in creating public sector fake jobs using tax payers money, making everyone pay more to cover the increased spending but less people really working! A recipe for disaster ... oh!, they already done that once before when the entire economy collapsed! LLHope !

LLHope , your idea about socialists is very old , as their plans are that every one will / should get fixed job , with parallel to enhancing welfare for those who deserve , they specified / assigned special budget for people to get job as fast as possible through educating them ( and through effective programs ) , and so companies will hire them very fast .

Equality among women and children as men , means you will get decent job & care regardless of your gender or ethnicity .
Yes , ex-government has made a significant change to welfare system worstly and it's requirements to gain it became harder.
And No , they didn't increased children bidrag for years , it's very slow compared to expensive life !
Services have became very slow in their time and Not proportionate with increasing population .

Your decreased taxes policy is good only for high earners and has made nothing to benefit people to get jobs , as Employers became more greedy , with no effective policies to put people into work . ( ex-government is like AF , no help for jobless folk , low quality programs for them ) & low income swedes . )
So again low taxes are for bourgeois class like big companies owners , Nepotism continued to get its place before any merit , and Forsäkingskassa has weaken as many folk laid off / fired !
Please read the link carefully , posting # 4
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intrepidfox
post 17.Dec.2014, 06:56 PM
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All i want to say is that with the alliance, this country became crap. Great to have tax cuts but where does the countries finances come from. They sold out this once great land creating a country just based on profits not giving a damn about anything at all eg healthcare, schools etc.
I do not believe the welder will do anything either. Why? these politicians do not live in the real world. People on TL can come out with stats but often they are manipulated and do not reflect reality
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sv100
post 17.Dec.2014, 07:13 PM
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Today , the Bougeois alliance parties have chose to say NO to proposal of " free medicine with receipt , for children up 18 yrs ", so this fake minimised taxes are really useless joke .
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Rick Methven
post 17.Dec.2014, 08:55 PM
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Joined: 30.Nov.2005

Yawn!!!
What are you going to have to eat at Christmas?
After some thought, we have decided to have turkey breast roulade, just enough for 6 with no leftovers for rabid commies.
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LLHope
post Yesterday, 13:43
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QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 06:00 PM) *
and Forsäkingskassa has weaken as many folk laid off / fired !
How long have you been in Sweden? The firing of staff (rationalisation) of Försäkringskassan
started in 2005 during the previous socialist government, they started by removing 400 staff
(every 5th admin person) as they merged together 21 local offices into 1 central organisation.
That was the start of the program to reduce the number working there which was continued through
the following years. You also dont seem to remember that Magdalena Andersson (socialist finance minister) said just before the election that some of the money to fund the budget would come from further rationalisation of Försäkringskassan organisation wink.gif

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 06:00 PM) *
your idea about socialists is very old , as their plans are that every one will / should get fixed job , with parallel to enhancing welfare for those who deserve , they specif ... (show full quote)

Again, how long have you been in Sweden? You say my idea about socialists is very old, but the special budget to get people into jobs is actually called the 90-day guarantee, which is an old socialist idea from the previous socialist government, then they called it 100-day guarantee (so my idea of socialists is very current, the policies of socialists are old). The program is exactly the same as it was then, but just changed from 100 days to 90 days. It completely failed between 1998-2005, youth unemployment increased! It will fail again.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 06:00 PM) *
and so companies will hire them very fast .
This will not happen. Companies hire staff depending upon their business need and cost of employment. The socialists are proposing to increase employer charges for youths and pensioners, which will result in less of those being employed, and as is being forecast by even kommuns who employ youths, a number of likely job losses.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 06:00 PM) *
Yes , ex-government has made a significant change to welfare system worstly and it's requirements to gain it became harder.

I suspect you mean sickness benefit since you have refered to it a number of times. Go back to 2005 when the socialists were in power. The changes they had made to make it easier to be written off sick increased the costs tremendously, so much so that it was going out of control, the socialist Prime Minister ordered an investigation and report to be produced that should come back with recommendations on how to reduce the costs and bring it back under control. That report was finalised just as the election was held and the government changed from socialist to Alliance. The Alliance started to implement the recommendations from the socialist initiated report. In typical socialist style they blame the alliance for changes which their report recommended biggrin.gif

QUOTE (sv100 @ 17.Dec.2014, 06:00 PM) *
Your decreased taxes policy is good only for high earners and has made nothing to benefit people to get jobs with no effective policies to put people into work

During the last Alliance government 340.000 new jobs were created during a period of european/global economic crisis. Something was effective!

Spending on the welfare system in real terms increased and as % of GDP, achieved even with tax reductions at the State level. GDP increased, and Tax Revenues increased. All this data is available from the Finance Dept. the socialists just hope you are too lazy to check (or cannot read and understand that), whilst they say in sound bytes that spending reduced. Isn't true.

If you use the Gini-Coefficient to measure income inequality, you will find that the gap between higher and lower paid people in Sweden did not really change during the Alliance period in government (i.e. the tax reductions did not benefit the higher paid more than the lower). however, if you look at the same measure during the previous socialist government between 1998->2006, you will actually see that during the socialists period the gap between higher and lower paid increased! But the socialists hope you dont check such data...

Now let's look at the failed socialist budget proposal! The one you claim would grow the countries economy and create jobs. First note, the socialists hope that you only listen to their sound bytes rather than actually check and read the facts. And I quote from the Finance proposal:

Page 33
"Den höjda ersättningsnivån kan också innebära att individens löneanspråk höjs något för att acceptera ett jobberbjudande"

"De skatteförslag som lämnas och aviseras i denna proposition kommer att bidra till att sysselsättningen och BNP dämpas något"

This is the socialists own words about their plan! In plain speak they are saying...
We are creating a poverty trap and removing the incentive for the unemployed to work by increasing a-kassa payments. And, the tax changes we are proposing will slow down the Swedish economy and remove jobs.

WTF!, You believe the socialist sound bytes about this being a job plan, yet they are telling you in black-and-white they intend to create a poverty trap, remove the incentive to work, slow down the economy and people will lose jobs! ... No wonder Mr Welder is so keen to drop all their proposals under the guise of co-operation ... he is desperate to stay in power, but also truly understands that the socialists will create a mess of Sweden!


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