(edit title) Finding Pippi Langstrump Can you help me bying the book online? Options

[dimi73]

Dear all,

Recently i started learning Swedish, because I wanted to fulfill one of my childhood dreams - to read Pippi the Longstocking in Swedish. I actually made some progress with the language, but in the meantime it proved incredibly difficult to find a website ( similar to Amazon ), wehre from to buy Swedish books.

Please help

[Jamtjim]

http://www.adlibris.com/

http://www.bokus.com/

[byke]

Introducing a character with striking similarities ...
Published 50 years prior, and is even mentioned on wikipedia (in regards to pipi)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippi_Longstocking

Pippi can fly (rather, she lands softly onto the ground from the rooftop of her house, ala Peter Pan).

Like Peter Pan, Pippi does not want to grow up.

 

 

[Johno]

If you are in the UK as your header says, then second hand dealers are one route. eg http://www.antikvariat.net/get/search.cgi?...amp;qe=BOT26743

[dimi73]

Thank you all very much (yes i am in UK for good or bad ), thank you for your kind help

[Nonstop]

Just seen your message now. Hopefully you have managed to find a copy of the book by now.

If not, check out Grant and Cutler - the UK's largest foreign language bookseller.

Full details on their website - http://www.grantandcutler.com/

Lycka till!

[AW1]

Introducing a character with striking similarities .... Published 50 years prior, and is even mentioned on wikipedia (in regards to pipi). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippi_Longstocking

And your point is?

[byke]

AW1, this is a resurrection of an old thread and old quote.
But here is a post by yours truly of a similar time stamp.

According to many online refernces, many believe that that Pippi borrows heavily from the Peter Pan story which was published a good 45/50 years prior. And given the fact that ... (show full quote)

According to many online refernces, many believe that that Pippi borrows heavily from the Peter Pan story which was published a good 45/50 years prior.

And given the fact that the original Peter Pan books were penned in Scotland and the trade routes that existed, to scandinavia at this time ... opens up even more questions regarding the validity of such.

Obviously at this time, copyright and the definition of plagiarism is not what it is today.
Where we have seen similar legal battles such as the attempted release of a book by a Swedish writer "J D California" (aka Fredrik Colting) who tried to release a book titled "60 years later : coming through the rye". in an attempt to profit from someone else's work.

But I think the saddest part is, if Pippi was really a plagiarism of Peter Pan as many suggest.
Then it was sick children who lost out, as the Peter Pan copyright was donated to the
Great Ormond Street Hospital (a London based Children's hospital) in 1929 by the author J.M Barrie. So any profit earned through plagiarism ultimately was at the expense of innocent, sick children. ... (hide full quote)

[AW1]

Interesting.
Any link to those references? I looked around but can't find any quotes from anyone suggesting plagiarism. Part from not wanting to grow up, not a lot in common otherwise.

[Johno]

"According to many online refernces, many believe that that Pippi borrows heavily from the Peter Pan story " So persuade us with something tangible.

All the Wikipedia article has is "Like Peter Pan, Pippi does not want to grow up." And there the similarity ends, and even that is not exactly right. Peter Pan doesnt't grow up at all, not doesnt want to. Otherwise I can see nothing that justifies going so far as to claim the plagiarism has robbed a childrens hospital of perpetual funding. Analysis can show grains of similarity between so many works of literature. In this case its so very tenuous, two children doing unbelievable feats and unbelievable lifestyles.

[byke]

From what I remember at the time.
There had been a very well written piece on the net which looked deeply into similarities between both fictional characters and drew references to multiple similarities and questioned by todays standards if the author or owner of Peter Pan would have been able to successfully sue the Pipi stories for plagarism. And in many ways, there seemed to be grounds for such. However due to the rules regarding ownership and copyright, it would have expired. But never the less exposed the 2.

It looked at the geographical location of the 2 writers, the trade routes between both and similarities in the story and then questioned it on many levels such as :

Why did the writer choose that the main character of the story (Pipi) use a red headed child?
This colour of hair in Sweden would have been very rare, and the article attempted to reference the original illustrations found in the peter pan book showing illustrations of such colours.

The article was very well written, but drew allot negative attention from supporters to nationalists to trollers and sh*t stirrers to the Pipi brand which led to the article and site being taken off line due to a cease and desist letter.

The main points in question were something like :

- Peter Pan had been written 50 years prior.
- Peter Pans author had been located in Scotland which had good trade routes to Sweden (so the book could have found its way there).
- Pipi had similar characteristics to the Peter Pan books such as a child that wouldn't grow up and could fly.
- Peter Pan the story was donated to a children's hospital in London and all royalties sent helped pay and look after these sick children.
- Eventually the Pipi author had a hospital named after her in Stockholm
- Why did the Pipi author use red hair in her story, when it was practically unheard of for sweden.
- Why did the Pipi author have so many character similarities between that of Peter Pan?
- Did the reason for writing the Pipi story match up to the character of the author.
- And many other similarities.
- The Pipi author had a turbulent life and was very poor at the time of "penning" such "creation". and was generally not considered very good at her job at that time in her life (journalism / writer)

Then it looked in the character of the author and how she looked after her own children.
Since some she kept close to her, while another was kept long away in a foster home? in Denmark?
And questioned the basis of an author looking to do something nice for their child when in fact there was allot of information that questioned the character of her actions.

I must say the original article damning the Pipi stories was pretty convincing at the time.
I suppose, so much that it lead to the site later being removed.

Obviously this is just my recollection so there could be factual errors.
But I guess you get the rough idea.

But either way its up for others who are interested to look into it and judge for themselves.
As long as the information/evidence that was around at the time of the original damning article hasn't been removed also.

[Johno]

All sounds very thin to me. Could Pippi fly ? See http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F8QyBF6...p;q&f=false

Had Peter Pan red hair ? Not according to Barrie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan

Not much left then that connects with plagiarism.

[byke]

Reference to flying :
"Pippi can fly (rather, she lands softly onto the ground from the rooftop of her house, ala Peter Pan)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippi_Longstocking

In regards to the red hair :
From what I remember, different copies of the book have slight differences in appearance due to printing technology and different versions coming out a good 50 years prior to the Pipi books.
Did Disney use such reference when making their film?

"Peter wears an outfit that was easier to animate, consisting of a short-sleeved green tunic and tights apparently made of cloth, and a cap with a red feather in it. He has pointed elf-like ears, and his hair is a very red auburn."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan

But again, there were many small questions that led many to believe that in modern times Pipi would have a very hard time in court. And such were the claims that the site was taken off line.

But ultimately its up to anyone interested to research in depth and judge for themselves.

[AW1]

Don't you find it strange that no such article can be found on the internet? One of the most published childrens authors plagiarises Peter Pan, and the story can't be found on the internet? Most holocaust deniers don't get their articles taken off the internet...

The don't / can't grow up. One can full out fly, the other can do soft landings a la old Kung Fu movies. Red hair might not have been as common as in Scotland, but it existed.

Then it looked in the character of the author and how she looked after her own children.
Since some she kept close to her, while another was kept long away in a foster home? in Denmark?
And questioned the basis of an author looking to do something nice for their child when in fact there was allot of information that questioned the character of her actions.

From Wiki:
Upon finishing school, Lindgren took a job with the a local newspaper in Vimmerby. When she became pregnant with the chief editor's child[clarification needed] in 1926, he proposed marriage. She declined and moved to Stockholm, learning to become a typist and stenographer (she would later write most of her drafts in stenography). In due time, she gave birth to her son, Lars, in Copenhagen and left him in the care of a foster family.
Although poorly paid, she saved whatever she could and travelled as often as possible to Copenhagen to be with Lars, often just over a weekend, spending most of her time on the train back and forth. Eventually, she managed to bring Lars home, leaving him in the care of her parents until she could afford to raise him in Stockholm.
In 1931, she married her boss, Sture Lindgren (1898–1952). Three years later, in 1934, Lindgren gave birth to her second child, Karin, who became a translator. The character Pippi Longstocking was invented for her daughter to amuse her while she was ill and bed-ridden. Lindgren later related that Karin had suddenly said to her, "Tell me a story about Pippi Longstocking," and the tale was created in response to that remark.

[Bender B Rodriquez]

Red hair have never been "unheard" of in Sweden. It is not as common as in Ireland, but definitely not unheard of. The incidence of red hair has always been higher in Scandinavia and the British Isles than in continental Europe.

Also, the idea with choosing red hair for Pippi was that she was supposed to be different.