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Romanian vs Swedish name

Guy trying to join the employment club

oddsock
post 5.Feb.2013, 09:35 PM
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Joined: 19.Dec.2008

Was on the front page.

Romanian name: 220 (yes, two hundred and twenty) CVs mailed out, no response

Swedish name: 20 (twenty) CVs mailed out, 13 responses.

http://www.thelocal.se/46022/20130205/#.URFq-vKKIWI

I knew it was bad, but that's even worse than I thought.
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jostein
post 5.Feb.2013, 09:36 PM
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Joined: 22.Mar.2011

Whats bad about people hiring people they feel comfortable with and that they trust and that they can understand? He chooze to come here, if people dont like him, its his problem and noone elses. The law that one cannot hire whomever one wants is an unjust law and opression. Fudging it is only natural. Whats next, the government mandating whom we marry?
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wondering
post 5.Feb.2013, 09:44 PM
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Joined: 3.Oct.2011

I am surprised he is surprised.

Happens everywhere even in UK and Australia .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20608039

http://somethingincommon.gov.au/dig-deeper...y/cultures-work
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jack sprat
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:01 PM
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Joined: 15.Sep.2006

SHOCKING, but not shocked.
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Programmeny
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:06 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 2.Aug.2012

Ahh the old 'leave if you don't like it' excuse.

Let me tell you my story. I'm in the same position. And Sweden did 'call me here'.
It has such a strong propaganda machine and advertising overseas that you will come here and only after being stuck you realize you've been duped.

For example, I had offers from universities in Sweden, Denmark and Scotland. All of them free of charge so that wasn't a choice. I chose Sweden because it had this wonderful outside brand:

"Come here, we're really multi-cultural. We want you. We like you. The job market is really good, just come, you'll see, it's paradise on earth". That was pretty much the message being sent across the media OUTSIDE of Sweden, to foreigners.

After you get here and settle in, about a year in, you realize you've been terribly lied to and now cannot leave because you don't have the money anymore to start another university in another country, you don't want to have wasted 1-2 or even 3 years of your life by abandoning courses etc.

So, you're stuck in a country that lied to you about the opportunities that you might have. For example, the UK is doing it right.

They launched anti-immigration campaigns for Romania and Bulgaria. The message was "don't come here, it's not nice. It rains all the time, the food is terrible and we have no jobs for you." Here, read more about it http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/u...garia-ministers

The bottom point is: If you don't want certain people here, tell them, and you'll save both of your time and money by doing so.
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AW1
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:14 PM
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Location: Södermanland
Joined: 20.Mar.2012

The article says it was suggested. Nowhere does it say that it has been done.
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Programmeny
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:20 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 2.Aug.2012

This is how negative advertising works, because it is often illegal to do what you have in mind, so you issue a press statement telling of your 'possible intentions' or issue a press statement saying that 'We never said anything about this or that, the rumor has not started with us." (The last one is used in electoral campaigns).

That, in itself, IS the message. Because the media picks it up and distributes it and that in itself becomes the campaign. That is the whole role of PR. Generate awareness with little to no finance of your own. Let the outside press work for you.

And it worked. It prompted the Romanian media to respond and make the whole campaign known across the whole country, across newspapers and TV channels. AND THAT was the whole point for the Brits in the first place.

Here, http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/05/romani...l-love-romania/

Another poster here: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/430006/2...mpaign-kate.htm

Another two here: http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2013/02/02...migration-talk/
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Migga
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:21 PM
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Joined: 26.Jul.2011

Sweden has discrimination, just like all countries, and has done much to battle it. But there is more that can be done. If you feel you have been discriminated then you can turn to the Diskrimineringsombudsman (DO), something most countries don`t offer. There are ethnic Swedes that have put out alot more then 220 CVs without getting a job.

I`d like to know more about this student and the way he conducted his experiment. It`s one thing when established NGOs conduct studies like this and it`s a whole different story when a private person does it. I`m going to be just as critical towards him as I am towards NGOs. Like the case officer in the article said there are a lot of complaints from non-Swedes for job discrimination when they're applying for work, some from real discrimination and some not.

Did he sent both CVs to the same 20 places? Of the 40 CVs how many are a "large handfull"? How many of them went to the job recruitment agency? How many went to companies? What swedish name did he use? He didn`t go to any of the interviews he was called to, how can he be sure he would be getting an interview if he didn`t call back to set up a meeting?

When you send your CV to a job recruitment agency they mostly just put it in their data base and nothing more. If he sent the majority of his CVs there then it`s no wonder he didn`t get any calls.
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oddsock
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:25 PM
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Joined: 19.Dec.2008

Poor attempt Migga, but I admire your stubbornness.
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jostein
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:37 PM
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Joined: 22.Mar.2011

Programmeny
This cabal thats taken control of our country lied to all of us, and us Swedes gonna pay alot dearer than you, if its any consolation. Immigrants are just cannonfodder to them, whats a few lies and ruined private economies to them? A walk in the park.
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Migga
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:39 PM
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Joined: 26.Jul.2011

QUOTE (oddsock @ 5.Feb.2013, 10:25 PM) *
Poor attempt Migga, but I admire your stubbornness.

I could say the same about you who takes this single students word as some truth written in stone.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:52 PM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

What's wrong with providing employment opportunity to your own people?

So you are saying Sweden sings a "siren" song to get people to come to their country and then leaves them high and dry without opportunity of gainful employment.

How would such a policy be of benefit to the Swedish economy?

And you get free schooling too!

You are a bit off in your assumptions...to say the least!
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Yorkshireman
post 5.Feb.2013, 10:53 PM
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Joined: 22.Nov.2011

QUOTE (Programmeny @ 5.Feb.2013, 10:06 PM) *
Let me tell you my story. I'm in the same position. And Sweden did 'call me here'.It has such a strong propaganda machine and advertising overseas that you will co ... (show full quote)

Yes, you were lied to by the Universities, not by Sweden!. Swedish Universities receive funding depending upon the student numbers, so they try to pack in as many students as possible, especially from outside Sweden. This was clearly shown by the introduction of non-EU student fees, the Universities were very p*ssed to say the least ...very little to do with the fact that they had a drop in student numbers from non-EU countries, it was recognised by the Government (Migrationsverket) that a very high percentage of non-EU students entered the country but never turned up for their courses (they disappeared either into Sweden, or Europe), yet the Universities had received funding for those students without needing to invest any of those funds in additional facilities etc... The Universities were objecting to the non-EU fees because their funding dropped as number of non-EU students dropped with fee introduction.

As for this student sending out CVs ...well, first He actually lied on at least 20 CVs!!! ... and 2nd, it is employers choice, and yes, there are preconceived roles for different nationalities amongst many employers (and the Swedish population) ...when the Eastern European countries were 1st becoming members of the EU there was a change in job advertisements, they suddenly started to state Fluent Swedish as a requirement, even when the corporate language was English!... At that time I asked a few large corporations I had as customers, and they told Me that it was on advise from recruiting specialists/companies in order to slim down the number of applicants, hopefully excluding Eastern Europeans. Companies just didn't want to even consider them for positions due to preconceived notions of education, ability and potential fit into the existing workplace etc...

Regardless of opinions on whether the preconceived notions are correct or not ...I personally believe it is Employers Choice, and quite rightly so ...I certainly do not want to be told who I should or shouldn't employ, I want the choice to choose who I believe is best for the role. And before there is any backlash wink.gif ...Yes, I have set up business functions in several Eastern European countries, and employed some extremely capable people, more than pleased ...Employers choice.
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polartwist
post 5.Feb.2013, 11:03 PM
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Joined: 5.Feb.2013

I think this is an interesting article.

I have done the same experiment on a famous advertisement website, when I was looking for an apartment. I'm italian and changed a bit my name to make it Swedish. It worked: around 20 answers in one month; when I have published it with my real name just 2 answers.

And I can also say something more: I tried to move here in Sweden because of my ex-girlfriend, sending thousands of CVs (in English and Swedish). It took around 5 years.
Sometimes it happened to be called for interviews here in Sweden and I also had to pay the travel with my money. When I was close to give up, finally someone was looking for an Italian speaking person. And here I am... Now it's more than 2 years that I'm in Sweden, but I can understand that an Italian employer between Giovanni and Johan, or between Paolo and Paul will always choose the first option, if people has the same skill set; the opposite happens for a Swedish employer. Nothing to be shocked about.

Sometimes is all about luck, or maybe about how good we are in selling ourselves. The most important thing is to never give up.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 5.Feb.2013, 11:09 PM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

Nice post.
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