(edit title) Reduced sick pay for chronic illness Options

[Puffin]

According to DN the right to sick pay is going to be drastically curtailed according to new guidelines produced by the Government. In Particular those suffering chronic illnesses are going to lose their right to sick pay after a short period

It looks like the government wants us to "pull ourselves together" namby pamby things such as chronic fatigue syndrome and depresion will not get you time off - even a heart attack will only get you a month off work!!!


http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=679102

Utmattningssyndrom

I dag * - 119 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - I normalfallet 0 dagar. Vid betydande sömnsvårigheter initialt 3 veckor, och efter etablerad åtgärdsplan gradvis återgång i arbetet inom 12 veckor.

Depression

I dag - 341 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 0 dagar vid lindrig depression. 3 månader för måttlig depression. Allvarlig depression 6 månader.

Ryggskott (akut lumbago)

I dag - 200 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 1 vecka om personen har ett fysiskt lätt/medeltungt arbete.2 veckor vid tungt arbete.

Hjärtinfarkt

I dag - 118 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 4 veckor på heltid och lika länge på deltid, men vid komplikationer kan arbetsförmågan bli helt nedsatt.

Graviditetsillamående

I dag - 85 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - I normalfallet 2 månader, men det finns stora variationer.

Blindtarmsinflammation

I dag - 27 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 0 dagar. 2-3 veckor personen har ett fysiskt krävande arbete.

Lunginflammation

I dag - 35 dagar
Nya riktlinjerna - Två veckor. En månad i svåra fall om patienten har astma eller kol.

*(Genomsnittlig tid för avslutade fall 2005. I Försäkringskassans statistik räknas inte de som har kortare sjukskrivning än 14 dagar, vilket gör att den egentliga snitt-tiden är något kortare. Rekommendationerna innehåller också råd om behov av tidiga insatser och behandling. Källa: Socialstyrelsen)

Translation - old and new sick pay guidelines

Chronic fatigue syndrome:
Currently: average 119 days
New Guidelines: Normally no sick pay (0 days) if serious sleeping difficulties up to 3 weeks and if combined with a phased return to work plan up to 12 weeks of parttime working.

....

Depression

Currently: average 341 days

New Guidelines:
Mild depression: 0 sick days
Moderate depression max 3 months
Severe depression: max 6 months
....

Back pain/slipped disc:

Currently: average 200 days

New Guidelines:
Light physical job: 1 week
Heavy physical job: 2 weeks
....

Heart attack

Currently: average 118 days

New Guidelines:
4 weeks full time sick pay and up to 4 weeks part time unles complications
....

Morning sickness (pregnancy)

Currently: average 85 days

New Guidelines: normal cases up to 2 months
......

Appendicitis
Currently: average 27 days

New Guidelines: 0 days although up to 2-3 weeks if a person has a physically demanding job

.......

Pneumonia

Currently: average 35 days

New Guidelines: normally max 14 days unless complications caused by other illnesses


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[Nomark]

According to DN the right to sick pay is going to be drastically curtailed according to new guidelines produced by the Government. In Particular those suffering chronic illnesses are going to lose their right to sick pay after a short period

It looks like the government wants us to "pull ourselves together" namby pamby things such as chronic fatigue syndrome and depresion will not get you time off - even a heart attack will only get you a month off work!!!


http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=679102

Utmattningssyndrom

I dag * - 119 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - I normalfallet 0 dagar. Vid betydande sömnsvårigheter initialt 3 veckor, och efter etablerad åtgärdsplan gradvis återgång i arbetet inom 12 veckor.

Depression

I dag - 341 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 0 dagar vid lindrig depression. 3 månader för måttlig depression. Allvarlig depression 6 månader.

Ryggskott (akut lumbago)

I dag - 200 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 1 vecka om personen har ett fysiskt lätt/medeltungt arbete.2 veckor vid tungt arbete.

Hjärtinfarkt

I dag - 118 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 4 veckor på heltid och lika länge på deltid, men vid komplikationer kan arbetsförmågan bli helt nedsatt.

Graviditetsillamående

I dag - 85 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - I normalfallet 2 månader, men det finns stora variationer.

Blindtarmsinflammation

I dag - 27 dagar
Nya riktlinjer - 0 dagar. 2-3 veckor personen har ett fysiskt krävande arbete.

Lunginflammation

I dag - 35 dagar
Nya riktlinjerna - Två veckor. En månad i svåra fall om patienten har astma eller kol.

*(Genomsnittlig tid för avslutade fall 2005. I Försäkringskassans statistik räknas inte de som har kortare sjukskrivning än 14 dagar, vilket gör att den egentliga snitt-tiden är något kortare. Rekommendationerna innehåller också råd om behov av tidiga insatser och behandling. Källa: Socialstyrelsen)

Translation - old and new sick pay guidelines

Chronic fatigue syndrome:
Currently: average 119 days
New Guidelines: Normally no sick pay (0 days) if serious sleeping difficulties up to 3 weeks and if combined with a phased return to work plan up to 12 weeks of parttime working.

....

Depression

Currently: average 341 days

New Guidelines:
Mild depression: 0 sick days
Moderate depression max 3 months
Severe depression: max 6 months
....

Back pain/slipped disc:

Currently: average 200 days

New Guidelines:
Light physical job: 1 week
Heavy physical job: 2 weeks
....

Heart attack

Currently: average 118 days

New Guidelines:
4 weeks full time sick pay and up to 4 weeks part time unles complications
....

Morning sickness (pregnancy)

Currently: average 85 days

New Guidelines: normal cases up to 2 months
......

Appendicitis
Currently: average 27 days

New Guidelines: 0 days although up to 2-3 weeks if a person has a physically demanding job

.......

Pneumonia

Currently: average 35 days

New Guidelines: normally max 14 days unless complications caused by other illnesses


[/b]

I'm not sure which is worse: the problem of the long term sick or this government's response to it.

Sweden has sleepwalked into a problem of too many on long term sickness benefits who could do some useful work. For example, Susanne Linde managed to form a political party whilst "burned out" and on long term sickness leave. Furthermore, she couldn't understand any of the criticism which came her way as a result of this.

That said, introducing a policy which will penalise the genuinely ill is a ridiculous way to deal with the problem.

[Asbo]

Translation - old and new sick pay guidelines

Chronic fatigue syndrome:
Currently: average 119 days
New Guidelines: Normally no sick pay (0 days) if serious sleeping difficulties up to 3 weeks and if combined with a phased return to work plan up to 12 weeks of parttime working.

....

Depression

Currently: average 341 days

New Guidelines:
Mild depression: 0 sick days
Moderate depression max 3 months
Severe depression: max 6 months
....

Back pain/slipped disc:

Currently: average 200 days

New Guidelines:
Light physical job: 1 week
Heavy physical job: 2 weeks
....

Heart attack

Currently: average 118 days

New Guidelines:
4 weeks full time sick pay and up to 4 weeks part time unles complications
....

Morning sickness (pregnancy)

Currently: average 85 days

New Guidelines: normal cases up to 2 months
......

Appendicitis
Currently: average 27 days

New Guidelines: 0 days although up to 2-3 weeks if a person has a physically demanding job

.......

Pneumonia

Currently: average 35 days

New Guidelines: normally max 14 days unless complications caused by other illnesses


[/b]

I'm not sure which is worse: the problem of the long term sick or this government's response to it.

Sweden has sleepwalked into a problem of too many on long term sickness benefits who could do some useful work. For example, Susanne Linde managed to form a political party whilst "burned out" and on long term sickness leave. Furthermore, she couldn't understand any of the criticism which came her way as a result of this.

That said, introducing a policy which will penalise the genuinely ill is a ridiculous way to deal with the problem.

[Nomark]

[quote="Asbo" That is a really good example. Some people really do deserve long term sick pay but due to the large numbers in Sweden and people like Ms Lind who was of course 'burnt out' its f**ke upfor the rest.[/quote]

The government will rightly take criticism for the way its handling this. However, IMO people like Ms Linde are equally culpable since they helped to create the mess in the first place.

[*meethalund*]

duh!!!
how come there is no such knows disease or diagnosis as burnt out. fibro myalgi. electricity allergy.
in many countries.

[entry]

Hey,

Do the math!

If you are sick and at home you aren't exactly going out and spending money.

So WTF do you need to have a big fat check from the government for anyways...

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[Asbo]

duh!!!
how come there is no such knows disease or diagnosis as burnt out. fibro myalgi. electricity allergy.
in many countries.

LOL that is so true. There was a show in the UK about the electricity allergy in Sweden. So damn funny! All my family couldnt believe it.

[Sergeantof...]

Dear Swedish authorities,

Here's an idea...
How about a fair society based on incentives rather than restrictions?

Just a thought

yours
J. Ävla Invandare

[Ems]

LOL that is so true. There was a show in the UK about the electricity allergy in Sweden. So damn funny! All my family couldnt believe it.

Oh come on, Sweden is not the only country where people talk about this. Just look up electrical sensitivity on Wikipedia and you'll see what I mean.

[*meethalund*]

Dear Swedish authorities,

Here's an idea...
How about a fair society based on incentives rather than restrictions?

Just a thought

yours
J. Ävla Invandare

dont confuse them they are only trying to do the best they can for everyone.
ONCE UPON A TIME THEY DID NOT WANT ME TO WORK NOW THEY DONT WANT ME TO WORK TOO MUCH. THANK GOD I FOUND THIS BOARDS TO KILL SOME TIME.

[Asbo]

No, but the show did say they are the only governement in the EU which will give you a grant to make your house 'safe'.

[*meethalund*]

not only the house but the work place.
jönköping Ryhov hospitals has a room for such persons.

Imagine an elallergiker goes to a clinic in a wheel chair
and before she arrives they have to shut off the lights
shut off the elevators and then a doc should examine her in the dark or in candle light, poor doc . poor hospital poor sweden poor we tax payers.

[Stebro]

Ahh, the justice that the right wingers are talking about.

[70sdreamer]

OK, so I've been trying to stay out of these kind of discussions... But I really can't help myself now...

Being on sick-leave myself due to depression I would be someone who would be affected by these new rules if/when they come into effect.

I know if I were in the UK I wouldn't 'get away' with feeling this way (i.e. not being able to cope with life because of panic attacks, crying fits, not being able to leave my flat etc), but that doesn't make what I'm feeling any less of an illness and me being on sick-leave any less... Valid? Is Sweden wrong or is the UK wrong?

These new rules have been put in place without any input from the people truly affected by them (as are so many other rules in this country)... I just think that's wrong... But at the moment I don't have enough energy to do anything about it.

So how will this really affect people who need the time to 're-group' and find their feet again? Is the current situation really all that wrong?

[Nomark]

Ahh, the justice that the right wingers are talking about.

Ahh, the problem is that the previous left wing government's policy wasn't very hot on justice, eg S. Linde.

One bad policy is replaced with another bad policy.