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To Canadians who moved to Sweden

Is Sweden better than Canada, if yes, why?

krzyz21
post 18.Sep.2009, 03:16 PM
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Applies to all Canadians living in Sweden,

Was having a talk with colleague's Pakistani friend yesterday over dinner. This is a well educated guy, comes from troubled zone of Pakistan, doesn't want to go back for obvious reasons. He applied for Canadian immigration a while ago and its clear now. He was quite happy and he was trying to convince me how Canada is better than Sweden. At the moment, I don't have any opinion as I have never been to Canada but I started wondering about Canadians living in Sweden, unless those moved here as love refugees.

What do Canadians really think, Is Sweden better than Canada for making career or for overall living (including retirement)? or in other words, what forced you to move to Sweden from Canada?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
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Greg in Canada
post 18.Sep.2009, 07:18 PM
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Canadian beer is much better. And I don't mean that Molson or Labatt's horse pee, but there are a lot of small micro breweries across the country making really good beer nowadays. And our beer and liquor stores are open better hours than in Sweden

We also play much better ice hockey. :-)

Beer and hockey, what else is there that any true Canuk would care about?
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Plowbridge
post 18.Sep.2009, 07:52 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 11.Sep.2008

Sorry for bringing it up but whenever asked if I find Swedes boring I relate the truth that Canadians are the most boring people on the planet followed by Belgians. Sweden gets it's customarily sought after bronze medal.

Effectively if a Swede moves to Canada it means life for them is a little too much in the fast lane here.

I learnt this years ago along with advice never to drink from the hot tap.

Don't take it personally; It is just fact.
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Gustav- Fælbönnran
post 18.Sep.2009, 08:30 PM
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Location: Östersund
Joined: 31.May.2006

Moving to Canada?

I hope that your hoser friend has a good toque. Take off, eh?
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Mack
post 18.Sep.2009, 08:59 PM
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Location: Canada
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QUOTE
Canadian beer is much better. And I don't mean that Molson or Labatt's horse pee, but there are a lot of small micro breweries across the country making really good beer nowadays


There are actually some very good Swedish microbreweries... but they are not easy to find.
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Kaethar
post 18.Sep.2009, 09:17 PM
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The grass is always greener...

May have something to do with availability of work too.
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Greg in Canada
post 18.Sep.2009, 09:52 PM
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"Effectively if a Swede moves to Canada it means life for them is a little too much in the fast lane here."

Doesn't that depend upon where they're moving to? Montreal has a lot more action going on than does Moose Jaw or Medicine Hat.
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Plowbridge
post 18.Sep.2009, 10:13 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 11.Sep.2008

Sadly I'm unable to make the distinction such is the generalisation of my comment. smile.gif I did stay in Vancouver for a short while though and liked it very much.

Maybe Belgians really deserve the accolade of most boring but they are much smaller, produce great beers and have France as neighbours, so I feel a little sorry for them.
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superturbo
post 18.Sep.2009, 10:26 PM
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fyi almost half of the Belgian population ARE more or less French, at least when i comes to language,,, wink.gif
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Furu
post 18.Sep.2009, 11:59 PM
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Joined: 16.Jan.2008

QUOTE (krzyz21 @ 18.Sep.2009, 04:16 PM) *
Applies to all Canadians living in Sweden,Was having a talk with colleague's Pakistani friend yesterday over dinner. This is a well educated guy, comes from troubled zone ... (show full quote)


Canada is a capitalist country. Lower income tax and very high indirect expenses.

Sweden is a Socialist country. Higher income tax and lower indirect expenses.

As an example I have a friend who makes equivalent of 600,000kr per year.

He had a choice to go to Sweden or Canada so he choose Canada due to lower income tax.

It costs him more to live in Canada because day care and dental are privatized in Canada but controlled by the state in Sweden. The cost of day care in Vancouver, Canada is approximately 9,000kr per month per child.

Upon doing a calculation he realized it was cheaper to live in Sweden even he had to pay a higher income tax upfront.

In the future when his three kids grow up, the higher education is not free in Canada.

A Bachelors Degree cost around 20,000kr per year today for residents and 100,000 per year for International Students.

A Degree for becoming a Dentist cost 300,000kr per year for residents.

Hope this helps.
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Greg in Canada
post 19.Sep.2009, 02:10 AM
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@Furu,

Who are you? Where are you from originally? Have you lived in Canada? Where? How long? Are you working in Sweden or just a student?

Any time there is a post about Canada you always chime in about how "capitalist" Canada is and make a bunch of very inaccurate statements always using your one friend in BC as a reference.

To the original poster:

Your Pakistani friend probably feels it's better in Canada for a few reasons 1) English language 2) if he is moving to Toronto there is a large Pakistani community 3) Canada has done a better job of immigrant integration based on 200 yrs of it 4) probably a job opportunity

If he is an entrepreneur type, I'd suspect Canada is a better place to be to start a business than Sweden due to not as many layers of government beaucracy. But contrary to what Furu is suggesting, he'll still have to pay taxes.
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Mack
post 19.Sep.2009, 02:31 AM
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Location: Canada
Joined: 11.Dec.2007

QUOTE
Maybe Belgians really deserve the accolade of most boring but they are much smaller, produce great beers and have France as neighbours, so I feel a little sorry for them.


We get Americans as neighbours... doesn't that earn us any sympathy? laugh.gif
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animalr
post 19.Sep.2009, 08:02 AM
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Location: Malmö
Joined: 29.May.2009

I am not Canadian but I've lived in both Canada and Sweden for about the same period of time.

If you actually want a job, never mind a career, Canada is a much better deal especially for foreigners.
The job market is really tough as an immigrant in Sweden, whereas in Canada I find employers far more open to diversity in the workplace. In the long run even, the career prospects of non-native Swedes is significantly reduced. Your career mobility in Canada is a lot more promising if you're ambitious. It's a lot more open for entrepreneurs in Canada as well
i think Canadian society (economically and socially) is more penetrable as a whole for foreigners.

Aside from the huge employment factor, I love Sweden a whole lot more!
Education is a huge plus if you intend on studying.
The healthcare system is far more efficient, personal and accessible. The bureaucratic machine of Canadian healthcare is obstructive to obtaining even adequate medical attention.
While the state is extensive in Sweden, it remains accessible - your questions do get answered even if it takes a few hundred phone calls.
Tax is heavy in Sweden but the benefits are extensive and i find the system accommodating and fair. In Canada, I actually ended up paying higher taxes than in Sweden with no benefits (not even healthcare). The system was more unpredictable as well and i had difficulty accessing information from the state departments.
While Sweden is socially tough to crack in the long-term, I find Swedes educated, patient, self-aware and kind. The society as a whole is responsive and respectful. Canada is more diverse though, Swedes can be quite conservative and suspicious at times.
The cities are cleaner in Sweden and the food is a whole lot better than in Canada. I sometimes felt a little isolated in Canada with the expense of travel even within Canada whereas in Sweden, Europe and the rest of Sweden is more accessible.
And the weather is a whole lot better in Sweden. Huge factor!


my opinion might be quite weighted by what states/provinces and municipalities i've experienced though...
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krzyz21
post 19.Sep.2009, 11:29 AM
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Joined: 25.Jul.2007

animalr, Greg and Furu,

Many thanks for meaningful comments. I really appreciate it. I would certainly like to see such more comments from native Canadians or those who lived there for longer period. He did cite large Pakistani Community and English language being plus. I would still like to hear more because many of his comments made me so curious that I really felt like I should really visit Canada for a year or so and experience first hand. (Note - Usually, I don't take such comments very seriously but after talking to the guy, I realized that he doesn't belong to stereotypical Pakistani population and hence the curiosity)

Thanks again.
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Furu
post 19.Sep.2009, 03:26 PM
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Joined: 16.Jan.2008

QUOTE (Greg in Canada @ 19.Sep.2009, 03:10 AM) *
@Furu,Who are you? Where are you from originally? Have you lived in Canada? Where? How long? Are you working in Sweden or just a student?Any time there is a post about Canada ... (show full quote)


Animalr answered your question.
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