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Cavalry arrives for beleaguered homeschool family

Top human rights expert to help in return of child

byke
post 17.Dec.2012, 04:45 PM
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What law did they break in 2009?
Prior to 2010 homeschooling was legal.
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gplusa
post 17.Dec.2012, 06:38 PM
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It is legal, but is not a right. Home schooling is permitted under law with the prior approval of the appropriate authorities. The parents decided to home school without gaining prior approval, thereby breaking the law. You will, of course, remember that they originally decided simply not to send their child to school, which was illegal. They then decided themselves that they would home school once they had been caught breaking the law. Finally, they decided to try and run to India via a backdoor airport, where the child, a Swedish citizen protected under Swedish law for as long as he was on Swedish soil, would not be attending school. Parents of the Year.
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byke
post 17.Dec.2012, 07:04 PM
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All this happened prior to the 2010 law changes (back in 2009)
But if you believe that justifies the termination of a parents custody - then I am lost for words.
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gplusa
post 17.Dec.2012, 07:14 PM
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It's taken a while, but finally !
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byke
post 17.Dec.2012, 07:20 PM
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Its ok, I will simply post links news stories exposing this instead.
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Yorkshireman
post 17.Dec.2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (Puffin @ 28.Sep.2010, 05:03 PM) *
I know that the family are trying to frame this as a homeschooling/civil liberties problem - and most of the information in the public domain is that put out by the family who ... (show full quote)

@byke, it would be good of you to promote this, just make sure you get your facts right, since it has become seen as an issue about home-schooling, when in fact it was about child-welfare. @Puffin's post from 2010 (above) gives a good summary.

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The papers presented to the court refer to
- the father having a mental illness , personality disorder, drug and alcohol problem
- the child was 8 and functioning at the cognitative level of a 2-3 year old
- the child had not understanding of night/day and daily routine because he had never had a daily routine
- the child had no social skills and was unable to mix with other children at first as he had no experience of play
- the papers also made reference the the poor social interaction between parents and child during visitation - as though the parents have no understanding of Dominic or children at all

None of these appear to be a homeschooling issues as such - but do raise concerns about the child's welfare
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Puffin
post 17.Dec.2012, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 17.Dec.2012, 04:45 PM) *
What law did they break in 2009?. Prior to 2010 homeschooling was legal.

It didn't really seem to be about homeschooling per se although this is what the father wanted people to believe - the only homeschooling issue was the boy was isolated from other children - the family came up with several different reasons arguing
- firstly that the boy had a mental disability and couldn't cope with school but never took him to a doctor nor did they ever offically request the right to homeschool
- secondly they argued that it wans't worth sending him to school as they planned to move abroad
But of course homeschooling was the way the family framed it to gain support and money in the USA

Wasn't the care order triggered by the family's membership of a sect? They were attempting to take the child to a closed religious community where there is a strong belief in punishing children in total accordance with the bible

The parents and their American lawyer also undermined their situation by storming the school that the child attended to attempt to grab him causing much upset among children/other parents

Obviously none of us are privy to all the details - the parents can make all sorts of claims whereas the kommun are bound by confidentiality

I originally thought that the family had been badly treated - but what I read later - especially the court papers that one of the family's US supporter posted without understanding them certaining seemed to raise several red flags about the child's welfare
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gplusa
post 17.Dec.2012, 11:34 PM
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Exactly, Puffin. As has been said here before countless times, the homeschooling issue was only raised AFTER the parents were caught breaking the law. They, and their amateur lobby groups then tried to make it a home schooling issue in order to mask the social and educational neglect questions they were facing. They swamped the internet with blogs and sought out the support of religious nutjobs all in the name of disguising what they were really doing. In the time since, the parents have not changed their stance one bit, which shows the authorities were right to he concerned about the welfare and development of the boy.
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byke
post 18.Dec.2012, 10:57 AM
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What I find most strange about this whole story, and stories in general.
Is when information is restricted, it is often duly noted.

However, on nearly every story.
The speculation of guilt is always stronger than the questioning of misconduct.
Resulting in a guilty until proven innocent scenario.

And that type of constant suspicion is not healthy whatsoever.

I havent been able to find too much information regarding this whole state of affairs.
But the key areas to take note from are the following.

Ruby Harrold-Claesson, president of the Nordic Committee on Human Rights has been documenting the case and has been very vocal - recently referring to the case against the parents and the child as atrocious.

She said complaints about the court system’s human rights violations are being filed all over.

“Something has to be done,” she said. “Families are being trampled, and the court systems virtually always side with the social workers against families. It is a terrible situation.”
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Yorkshireman
post 18.Dec.2012, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 18.Dec.2012, 10:57 AM) *
"Something has to be done," she said. "Families are being trampled, and the court systems virtually always side with the social workers against families. It is ... (show full quote)

And everyone will be just as loud shouting "how could they miss it", when the Social Services and Courts do not take action and a child suffers.
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Puffin
post 18.Dec.2012, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 18.Dec.2012, 10:57 AM) *
What I find most strange about this whole story, and stories in general.Is when information is restricted, it is often duly noted.However, on nearly every story.The speculatio ... (show full quote)

Termination of parental rights is very, very rare in Sweden - in fact I believe that it is too rare and the courts should do this more often - as I personally know some children in limbo who have been in foster care for 8 years but their lives are blighted as their parents still have parental rights and use them as a weapon against the kids to prevent them living a normal life.

Also Ruby Harrold-Claesson is not exactly impartial is she? She wanted to represent the family in this case - so it is clear she sides with the parents
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mångk
post 18.Dec.2012, 12:30 PM
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I agree!

People often forget that parental rights come with a greater responsibility - to protect the rights of the child.

The state is also charged with this responsibility. In this case it appears that the state with particular concerns acted to protect the rights of the child. The courts have agreed that those concerns were justified and met at least the minimum criteria required for intervention. ohmy.gif
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byke
post 18.Dec.2012, 02:14 PM
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Again, this is based on a scenario of rumour based on something other than what is being reported. Which has to make you question the legal system as a whole.

If its taken 3 and half years to get to this point.
Then what does it say about the Swedish legal system in general?

Unscrupulous persons could suggest that the length of time taken to process cases with the further ability to taint cases with rumours and the use of the press to equate to a system that allows punishment to be served, regardless of the final outcome.

What the facts of the case that is being widely reported are, that a family with a slightly special boy had kept said child away from public school to home teach. At this point in time, home schooling was legal and no laws were being broken. However, at this time their was great pressure to restrict families from going down this route and eventually led to the law being changed in 2010 - Which was a considerable amount of time after the child had been removed from the family.

So :

Homeschooling has effectively become illegal since 2010 (be it right or wrong) but has led to numerous claims that it breaches articles to the human rights convention that Sweden is signed up to.

We have a family that was battling authorities, leading to them to flee a nation.
Only to then be arrested on their outbound flight.

Given that its also been widely documented that many advocates have had to flee Sweden in secrecy due to the changes of the law and their beliefs in homeschooling. Its not too far fetched to understand why some opponents believe this is orchestrated as being something else. In a manner to both send out a strong message as well as ensure that jobs are not lost and control is maintained.
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 18.Dec.2012, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 18.Dec.2012, 11:57 AM) *
Ruby Harrold-Claesson, president of the Nordic Committee on Human Rights has been documenting the case and has been very vocal - recently referring to the case against the par ... (show full quote)

Although its rather pompous name, NCHR is small private interest organization.
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byke
post 18.Dec.2012, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (Bender B Rodriquez @ 18.Dec.2012, 03:25 PM) *
NCHR is small private interest organization.

Would you care to elaborate?
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