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Cavalry arrives for beleaguered homeschool family

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Puffin
post 4.May.2010, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 4.May.2010, 10:49 AM) *
I wonder if they will ban home births in the future?

It is only Stockholm that really supports home births by paying a portion of the cost
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Nemesis
post 4.May.2010, 10:09 AM
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Location: Skåne
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QUOTE (7 @ 4.May.2010, 10:30 AM) *
anything factual to support sweeping generalizations based on your opinion? if not, then we'll have to presume that's not a factual statement. oh, and your following s ... (show full quote)

Where I grew up there was a lot of home schooled people, although thankfully now it is rare as social services has clamped down and taken a lot of the kids into care. Every single family involved was a bunch of religeous headcases. Even by Nothern Ireland standards, they were bigots.

I used to see those families standing on street corners preaching, with there children with them in the pouring rain. The children would be standing with signs, attacking contraception, abortion, gay rights, womens rights, communism, socialism, childrens rights, coloured people, jews, rockers, punks, musicians, people who dance, basically anyone who was not them. I never could get my head around why they considered anyone who danced at a disco, to be doing the devils work.

I would walk past them every morning and evening going to and coming from school and the children were there. On a saturday the assholes would use a megaphone which made getting a take away, or an ice cream from the take away a shouting match. The record shop was next door so we could not hear music properly when asking for a sample of an album.

Every one of them is now a headcase who is in and out of care psychaitric care. There lives are destroyed.

There children did not mix with other children. They only met other children on a sunday at religeous events from other religeous lunatic families, which appears to have been mostly a brainwashing excercise in which group to hate next.

A child has the right to be a child, should be allowed to be a child and should be allowed to mix freely with other children.
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Nemesis
post 4.May.2010, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 4.May.2010, 10:49 AM) *
I wonder if they will ban home births in the future?

I was a home birth.
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Jamtjim
post 4.May.2010, 10:23 AM
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I think that there is a bit of a contradiction here - why is homeschooling bad whereas religious and political organisations starting free schools is OK?

Agreed! The compulsorary education should be strictly secular, if parents want to teach religious views to their kids they can do it out of school and at their own expense. I dont think that homeschooling is always a bad idea, just that homeschooling with the aim of excluding a child from any part of the nationally approved curriculum is.

@Trissan

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Your assumptions is that religion and its followers are all fundamentalists in a negative connotation

If that was aimed at me, you couldnt be more wrong; I never stated that all religious people are fundamentalists. There is however a fundamentalist element who seek to force on their kids extreme religious dogma, often promoting sepratist and devisive scripture or else silly religious ideas (such as young earth creationism) as factual truth.

In my opinion, all children should have the right to a proper education. This is why we have compulsory education with a largely set curriculum. I do not accept that it is a parents right to deny a childs right to this for any reason.

I am not against homeschooling per se provided it is done in an enclusive way and for the right reasons so as to provide a better level of schooling than is provided by the state. If it is done with the sole reason of insulating children from facts which counter religiious dogma then this is wrong.
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byke
post 4.May.2010, 10:28 AM
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Do those who homeschool get Skolpeng? (sp?)
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007
post 4.May.2010, 10:40 AM
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Location: Stockholm
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QUOTE (Nemesis @ 4.May.2010, 11:09 AM) *
Where I grew up there was a lot of home schooled people,

and? i hardly think the extremism of n. ireland is the foundation to debate whether homeschooling in sweden or in general ought to be outlawed or not. if we look at ireland's history as a foundation to outlaw anything it would be alcohol. the number of lives destroyed by alcohol in ireland must outweigh anything else by leaps and bounds.

QUOTE (Nemesis @ 4.May.2010, 11:09 AM) *
A child has the right to be a child, should be allowed to be a child and should be allowed to mix freely with other children.

true. not a problem with homeschooled children (and let's not bring up the extreme cases you can dig up from your past)
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Puffin
post 4.May.2010, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 4.May.2010, 11:28 AM) *
Do those who homeschool get Skolpeng? (sp?)


No - I am pretty sure that skolpeng can only be paid to schools where the application to start a school has been approved by Skolverket
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scandinavian leather
post 4.May.2010, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (Nemesis @ 4.May.2010, 10:09 AM) *
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I used to see those families standing on street corners preaching, with there children with them in the pouring rain.


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There lives are destroyed.


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There children did not mix with other children.



Perhaps if you had been homeschooled you might have learned the meaning of a homophone? It's quite apparent that you did not learn in it whatever school you attended.

Your constant use of the word "there" instead of the proper "their" is extremely annoying and negates anything you say.
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SarahRF
post 4.May.2010, 11:40 AM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 23.Oct.2009

As a person who was homeschooled for a few yeas, I can definitely say not everyone turns into a "religious nutcase" and/or "a screwed up adult lacking social skills".

My parents decided to homeschool me and my brother for many reasons.
The biggest reason was that my then 8 yr old brother was getting stomach ulcers from the stress of being in school. He had big problems with school work, and would often get sent to the principle's office because the teacher deemed his performance to be below tolerable. He worked his ass off to study for tests, my mother would help him all the time, but when the pressure was on he couldn't do it and got disciplined by the school for failing.
The second biggest reason was the educational side of it. In our small town in South Africa the public school was getting worse and worse, on par with the rest of the country, with the education standard being lowered all the time so that students wouldn't have to repeat years. With my mother being our teacher, she was able to make sure we were getting top grades, not because the work was easy but because we were actually learning and improving.

I homeschooled for a few years prior to moving to Sweden, and honestly enjoyed those years way more than I did the years I spent in a public school. I had no homework because I learned what I needed to in class, thus I had more time to hang out with friends. I wasn't bullied, mistreated, made fun of or rejected by the 'cool kids'. I got to go on the coolest field trips (a gold mine, an ostrich breeding farm, the Parliament buildings, a game reserve, a butchery, to name a few), whereas in the public school system my friends got to go...nowhere. I still participated in sports events. We met up with other homeschoolers to do arts and crafts or science classes.

Out of all the homeschoolers I know, not one has turned into a religious nutcase, nor a dysfunctional adult. They all have normal social skills, and are some of the brightest people I know. My family and all the homeschooling families we connected with are Christian, but we're grounded enough not to turn everything into a Jesus jihad.

Homeschooling is not bad. Before the governmental/institutional schools were around, there was homeschooling. Mankind made it pretty far using that method. Homeschooling is not synonymous with antisocial behaviour, brainwashing or religious fanaticism. It is a perfectly normal way to learn, and seeing all the stuff that happens around the world in public schools, I am heavily debating whether or not I'll homeschool my own kids one day.
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Puffin
post 4.May.2010, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (SarahRF @ 4.May.2010, 12:40 PM) *
I am heavily debating whether or not I'll homeschool my own kids one day.

Not in Sweden if the Alliance government are still in power cool.gif
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SarahRF
post 4.May.2010, 12:05 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 23.Oct.2009

As nice as Sweden can be, I don't exactly plan on living here till the day I die wink.gif. Might come back for 3 months out of the year so I can still get barnbidrag though!
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Jamtjim
post 4.May.2010, 12:07 PM
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Might come back for 3 months out of the year so I can still get barnbidrag though!


Thats very cynical of you SarahRF!
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SarahRF
post 4.May.2010, 12:10 PM
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Location: Stockholm
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It was more an idea than an actual plan, Jamtjim, hahaha.
If I can afford to come back to Sweden for 3 months out of every year regardless of where I'm living, I wouldn't need the barnbidrag, now would I? biggrin.gif
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HALE
post 4.May.2010, 05:19 PM
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I have one daughter who is on Distance Education when away from Australia and when in Australia goes to the local school. Her Distance Education is not homeschooling, as I do not set the courses or decide what she does. She has a timetable, her teachers phone and they have an online classroom to compliment all the material that is posted included science and art kits. But as of June perhaps Sweden will classify this as illegal because for the months of April and May and 1/2 of June she is not sitting in a Swedish school but holds dual residency. Their view of this is although she is also an Australian resident (born Aus) and her school year continues through distance ed, that the minute she sets foot on swedish soil she MUST go into swedish school, which the paradox of this is she would have to DROP her continued education from Australia for 2.5 months then vacation for 2.5 months in Sweden then go back to Australia in August/Sept to have only 2.5 months of Aus school then 2.5 months of holiday again. Whereas when I tried to explain this to Skolverket that I don't want her on continual holiday in both Australia and Sweden and want her in an education system that has been delivering the best distance education since 1908, they couldn't get it into their brain that she would almost get no education by them forcing her into swedish school for 2.5 months.
So, what the Swedish Skolverket said by saying she would have to start Swedish school every time she lands on Swedish soil is that they do not accept an Education delivered by the Government of Australia. The irony is that the maths that she does for her age with the Australian system is 2 years above the maths they do with the Swedish system. So in fact, it should be the Australian govt saying they don't accept her coming to Sweden because it would put her behind in her schooling because the Swedish schooling is not at the same standard as the Australian Distance Education Schooling for the same age.
So, this new policy would also discriminate against dual residents or even those who board and attend school in another country, for the minute they step on Swedish soil the govt will take action after June. So perhaps my daughter has to give up her dual residency because of this.
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CTIDinÅrsta
post 4.May.2010, 05:46 PM
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Location: Stockholm
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^^^^
That sounds more of a bureaucratic problem than anything else. Good luck sorting it out!

In the case the OP posted the family were part of a cult called Maranatha/Maranata who believe in corporal punishment of children, "as described in the bible".
They were banned from all homeschooling in 1998 according to a report in DN.
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