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[Garry Jones]

> No way this kind of leak will save millions of lives. Because the more of these kind of leaks that happen, the more it will undermine the U.S.'s war effort and they will have to pull up stakes and leave the Middle East.

You sir, have just defeated your own argument. We NEED USA and the UK in there. International terrorism has to be kept in check. The muslim terrorists would love to have a pop at Israel. If we pull out of the region the poor Jews will be attacked and it will be Genocide 6 million all over again. The hard lessons learnt from the great wars are that we must never let this happen again. That means - thank god - having a country willing to keep the peace at any cost. God Bless America!

If everyone could just chill out and play chess together the world would be a safer place.

[Traveler2010]

We NEED USA and the UK in there. International terrorism has to be kept in check.

The Middle Eastern terrorism is a natural, predictable consequence of the West's meddling in the internal affairs and oil supply of Middle Eastern nations for the last many decades. The way to eliminate terrorism is not to cause the ire in the first place. They don't hate us because "we're rich and we're free," they hate us because we've been over there slaughtering them for decades. The way to eliminate terrorism is to leave those poor people and their oil alone. Stop poking sticks into the hornet's nest and the hornets will eventually calm down.

The muslim terrorists would love to have a pop at Israel. If we pull out of the region the poor Jews will be attacked and it will be Genocide 6 million all over again.

Israel is a big boy now. If they we meant to be there (which they weren't) then they will be able to defend themselves and dialogue with their neighbors themselves. It is not the U.S.'s business to make Israel the de facto 51st State of America.

If everyone could just chill out and play chess together the world would be a safer place.

Yes the whole world is just one big game board for Western corporate interests and their thugs the U.S. military and others to do with what they will. If only those dam Middle Easterners would roll over and let us plunder their countires like they should! Dam Middle Easterners. Better send the CIA in to topple governments, assassinate "insurgents" and all kinds of cool stuff until they do what we say, when we say it!

LOL!

GO JULIAN ASSANGE!

GO WIKILEAKS!

[omphus]

It's a little too suspicious that this guys life has become so difficult only after releasing the documents.

[Traveler2010]

It's a little too suspicious that this guys life has become so difficult only after releasing the documents.

And that is an understatement. Sort of like saying the sun is "kind of bright."

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Right on, Traveler2010, the sun, unlike the CIA, is blindingly bright.

And please take note, mjennin2, I'm not Traveler2010, and it's the Agency, as with everything since the 'false flag' operation involving the Manhattan11, which is out to get all leakers, including me. CIA-NSA required the murder of Brits Gareth Williams and Gudrun Loftus on British soil for leaking the unredacted Afghan Logs to Julian and Wikileaks in July, and now it is deeply involved in shutting them down someway, ultimately murder if this doesn't work.

[Craptastical]

Right on, Traveler2010, the sun, unlike the CIA, is blindingly bright.And please take note, mjennin2, I'm not Traveler2010, and it's the Agency, as with everything sin ... (show full quote)

Right on, Traveler2010, the sun, unlike the CIA, is blindingly bright.

And please take note, mjennin2, I'm not Traveler2010, and it's the Agency, as with everything since the 'false flag' operation involving the Manhattan11, which is out to get all leakers, including me. CIA-NSA required the murder of Brits Gareth Williams and Gudrun Loftus on British soil for leaking the unredacted Afghan Logs to Julian and Wikileaks in July, and now it is deeply involved in shutting them down someway, ultimately murder if this doesn't work. ... (hide full quote)

I thought they were pointing fingers at the US Army specialist who was arrested for the leaks. I haven't been following this all that much (too much to do at work as well as other things going on in my personal life), but can you throw me a carrot by pointing to some news articles about the two people you mentioned and their involvement? Believe it or not, I'm genuinely interested

And by the way, in case you didn't see it... I am sorry for misinterpreting your post to the TL article. It wasn't an attempt to make you look bad or anything like that.

[Craptastical]

Traveler2010: This may be the first time I actually agree with you. The Libertarian side of you is starting to show.

I really hope that some of the Libertarian ideals really take hold in the US, especially WRT foreign policy. IMHO the world and the US would be much better off (queue the naysayers who will immediately chant "isolationist!").

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Here is the most comprehensive article about the whole mess, Craptastical:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Gareth_Williams

[Garry Jones]

I am amazed that the CIA brainwashed Assange into going home to these two different single women during the course of four days and staying the nights.

If he really did think something might happen then why put himself in this position. And if a woman says stop it means stop. And if a woman says use a condom and it slips off (read earlier post) you have no right to continue the act and if you do it is rape.

How can you blame the CIA for his actions? He is not the subject of made up charges out of a clear blue sky. He really did go home to these women. Given that one (both?) of these women is(are) anti-usa its impossible the CIA is behind this.

However Assange has proven he is unable to link action to consequence so it's possibly he really is guilty. Are you suggesting he should be above the law if he did?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Hey, Garry Jones, have you ever heard of female spies used to discover the effectiveness and reliability of sources.

The one who comes most readily to my mind is the activities of Stasi and KGB 'Juliet' spy ANITA apparently aka Angela Merkel, now the German Chancellor. Back in the 1970s, she was called up to determine the bona fides of KGB agent Wilhelm Kahle (codenamed WERNER) who was dining, screwing, and collecting all kinds of valuables while on assignment in West Germany and France.

When Moscow became suspicious of him, it did not simply rely upon a lie detector test to determine his loyalty but also sent ANITA to bed him in order to gain all the messy details. She found out that WERNER was just like those 'false flag' spies of the Manhattan 11 - serving himself handsomely while getting no information of value.

As a result of ANITA'S work, Kahle, as Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin wrote in The Sword and the Shield, "...was removed from illegal work in 1982." (p. 450)

Little wonder that American, British and German securocrats are using the same tactics to get rid of Assange and Wikileaks.

[Garry Jones]

Of course I know of the concept of a Mata Hari. But did u check the background of these women? Have you seen the youtube clips of them? Do you know of their background. One of them is/was a promient figure within the Socialdemocrats, a rising star. A future cabinet minister and who knows possible even a future prime minister. Her future within politics now is very unsure. No way would she jeopodize this and everything she has worked for by selling out to the USA.

She is anti-war, pro gay rights, pro muslim rights, the opposite of the picture of the CIA u wanna portray. If, IF the Cia were gonna do this they would have used a much more willing girl and filmed or photoed it. They would have gone for proof and a sure fire charge to put him away. It would have been easy to set him up with an exoctic good looking dancer or something... You probably don't believe man has landed on the moon either?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

I do happen to believe that man landed on the moon, but I also believe from my experience in CIC, and my professional study that Anna Ardin is a ideal candidate for an intelligence agency to recruit as a 'Juliet' - a woman who adheres to the Seven Steps of Legal Revenge - what is based upon the West's alleged reliance upon rape ot maintain its patriarchal society.

What better person to stage manage an alleged rape for strategic purposes!

[Kevtravels]

Can we be so sure that it's just CIA and MI6 gunning for him? Remember he released loads of documents on Norwegian, Australian, Canadian, Swedish, Dutch and more allies. We know the US is quite secret with what's going on but always many a reporters revealing things. Several NATO nations have fought in battles of which there is no official government statement on. If this is a "frame job", it's not just the US or UK involved.

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

I have already stated that the Germans are involved, especially because of how Colonel Georg Klein's unit shot up Afghans looting two fuel trucks, killing about 150 of them, mostly civilians - the most explosive item in the Afghan Log release.

[Traveler2010]

Traveler2010: This may be the first time I actually agree with you. The Libertarian side of you is starting to show.I really hope that some of the Libertarian ideals really ta ... (show full quote)

Traveler2010: This may be the first time I actually agree with you. The Libertarian side of you is starting to show.

I really hope that some of the Libertarian ideals really take hold in the US, especially WRT foreign policy. IMHO the world and the US would be much better off (queue the naysayers who will immediately chant "isolationist!"). ... (hide full quote)

Yes I realize that I have a Libertarian streak in me. Something I only truly realized when I started following Ron Paul's candidacy for president a few years ago.

The U.S. will eventually have to adopt a noninterventionist foreign policy one way or another. Either voluntarily, as a sensible way to cut spending (this is my hope), or involuntarily when our global empire collapses under its own weight because we've over-extended ourselves like all empires eventually must.

My noninterventionism gets me into trouble on this forum because while I vehemently oppose the U.S.'s empire-building and imperialism, by the same token I am just as opposed to Muslims coming to Western countries like Sweden to set up beachheads for their culture and religion. The end being just what Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi says it is: to eventually take over Europe.