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Pros & Cons of living in Sweden

Good/Bad about Sweden

New Jersey
post 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM
Post #1
Location: United States
Joined: 22.Mar.2011

I was born and raised in Stockholm, Sweden - and moved to New Jersey (Across NYC) for 4 years ago.

Although Sweden is a great country to live in, with many social benefits; it has also many cons.

Pros:
1. Great benefits (although they are getting less now)
2. High standard of living
3. Nearly all Swedes are bilingual (Swedish and English), some ever third language.
4. Overall beautiful people
5. Generally free education
6. More free time, less work.
7. No need to worry about the feature that much (such as kids education)

Cons:
1. Climate is terrible year-round (except few weeks during the summer. However, not that bitter cold and snowy as people might think if you live in the south, but don't expect guaranteed warm & sunny summers either)
2. Many Swedes are racist, and less socialised to people they do not know
3. Not that much diverse (Except mostly Middle Easterns in the suburbs)
4. Extremely high taxes
5. High cost of living
6. Most Swedes are atheist and non-religious (However most belong to church, but rarely attend)
7. Very huge daylight difference between winter and summer (Very dark and depressing winters, and very long daylight in the summer, which makes it hard to sleep!)
8. Everything is typically small
9. No major cities (Stockholm, the capital and largest city has a pop. of only 0.8 million and not that interesting and famous as many other major cities in the world)
10. Hard to find homes and jobs (Especially around the "big" cities)
11. Far from rest of the continent
12. Overall boring country
13. Jantelaw (Jantelagen)
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Furu
post 23.Mar.2011, 02:51 AM
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Joined: 16.Jan.2008

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM) *
2. Many Swedes are racist, and less socialised to people they do not know

Ever been to Ohio?
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dockmandock
post 23.Mar.2011, 06:04 AM
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Joined: 30.Jul.2008

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 01:22 AM) *
6. Most Swedes are atheist and non-religious (However most belong to church, but rarely attend)

Err... shouldn't this be under Pros?
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josiewales
post 23.Mar.2011, 06:16 AM
Post #4
Joined: 22.Mar.2011

Pro:
Beautiful Nature

Con:
Women who are at war with nature
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PBR_Streetgang
post 23.Mar.2011, 06:57 AM
Post #5
Joined: 31.Jul.2007

Pros: Child care costs, Mama & Papa days, July

Cons: 5 month long Winter, High cost of Luxury goods, Systemet monoply.
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newbluevim
post 23.Mar.2011, 07:51 AM
Post #6
Joined: 26.Aug.2006

QUOTE (PBR_Streetgang @ 23.Mar.2011, 06:57 AM) *
Cons: 5 month long Winter... ...Systemet monoply.

Ever been to Ohio?

I find it a relief that people here are less religious than in the US. The religious tradition is very much alive, however, considering how dogmatic people are. Suggest market rents, not paying out barnbidrag to the wealthy, even abolishing LAS (last in, first out at work) and you get the same, knee jerk response every time from 98% of Swedes and absolutely no debate.

The major con here is that people act like they're in junior high. Everyone dresses the same and sticks to their clique...
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josiewales
post 23.Mar.2011, 07:57 AM
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Joined: 22.Mar.2011

True very true. Secular Puritanism.

And they never grow up and act like adults. Where I work there is constant bickering and crossing of boundaries. Why? They have to have rules to guide them or they cannot function as adults do and it just so happens that I work in a unconventional workplace, for Sweden, where everything isn't rule bound and for the Swede "rättvist" (how childish to insist on everything being "fair") Their social skills are rank (no pun intended) and as such they cannot navigate the adult world with all its subtleties.
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CCVB
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:07 AM
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Joined: 9.Feb.2011

pros: cheap beef, cheap pizzas, cheap and fast internet without download limits ( compared to where I come from )

cons: all the rest, this country sucks and I have only been here 6 months and have to stay to be with partner

Loads of discrimination, people are narrow minded, there are millions of stupid rules/laws, it really feels like the country of dumb blonds

Females might be pretty but when it comes to guys, thats another story ( at least here in Stockholm, in 6 months, I only saw 2 guys that I thought were good looking, where the hell are all the Alexander Skarsgard???? ) ...winters are ridiculously long with wayyyyy too much snow, used to love snow now I cant stand it anymore, electricity companies dare to charge people more per kwh in the months where they need it most which is more than a disgrace ( at least thats Vattenfall system, paid in 3 months what I paid in 1 year in previous country ), taxes are through the roof, people seem to accept everything, its like the government or those Vattenfall like companies kick them on and on in the butt and they just say " thank you, give me another one" instead of fighting back, country of little lambs...

They make people pay 2000kr of TV license a year but there are a million commercial breaks during a movie, this country makes watching TV very unenjoyable, can never watch a movie or simple TV series episode without getting frustrated and pissed off at the amount of commercial breaks so what is TV license for??????????????

This country works backwards and in totally illogical ways and since people accept all the shit, of course it works, why dont people revolt?? I suppose if they never lived anywhere else, they think Sweden is perfect but crap, it is so far from being perfect!!!!!!!

So an advice for the ones who want to come here, think twice, make sure that it is necessary and better than where you are now, if I could go back in time, I would definately NEVER move here...
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007
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:29 AM
Post #9
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 2.Apr.2006

QUOTE (CCVB @ 23.Mar.2011, 09:07 AM) *
cons: all the rest, this country sucks and I have only been here 6 months and have to stay to be with partner

seems your relationship is doomed.
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josiewales
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:41 AM
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Joined: 22.Mar.2011

QUOTE (CCVB @ 23.Mar.2011, 09:07 AM) *
pros: cheap beef, cheap pizzas, cheap and fast internet without download limits ( compared to where I come from ) cons: all the rest, this country sucks and I have only been h ... (show full quote)

Where are you from?
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summo
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:43 AM
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Joined: 9.Jan.2010

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 22.Mar.2011, 11:22 PM) *
Cons:1. Climate is terrible year-round (except few weeks during the summer. However, not that bitter cold and snowy as people might think if you live in the south, but don' ... (show full quote)

Climate is terrible? you mean it has one, rather than a constant temperature all year round, surely still having definitive seasons is a good thing?
Swedes are racist, every nation is racist, it's human instinct to be biased towards its own tribe. Look at the US's protection of its people and interests. Or many Americans attitude towards others.
High Tax - How do you think those great benefits in your Pros are funded??
High cost of living - I would say a far price for the product, myself, the tax take funds those high benefits of yours again.
Most Swedes are atheist and non-religious, as sure sign of intelligent and not a brain washed population?
Typically small - apart from the seasonal daylight variation? wink.gif Try moving to the equator, everyday is ground hog day.

I give up, you are clearly a glass half empty person, who will always let the bad winner over the good where ever you live.
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007
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:53 AM
Post #12
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 2.Apr.2006

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM) *
5. Generally free education

is the not free part that it's paid for via taxes or are you suggesting there are other costs (eg. books) for students?

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM) *
Cons: . 6. Most Swedes are atheist and non-religious (However most belong to church, but rarely attend)

hahaha. as several other posters have commented, that's a big ole pro in my book.

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM) *
very long daylight in the summer, which makes it hard to sleep!)

also a pro. loooooooooooove daylight. no problems sleeping here (and for those who do have problems there's black out shades)
QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM) *
8. Everything is typically small

reflects the smaller clothing sizes too.

QUOTE (New Jersey @ 23.Mar.2011, 12:22 AM) *
9. No major cities (Stockholm, the capital and largest city has a pop. of only 0.8 million and not that interesting and famous as many other major cities in the world)

stockholmstad has a small population (it's the inner city) but greater stockholm (most major cities measure by the greater community) has a population of 2m --not huge but a major city. (the city of boston has a population of 0.6m --so smaller than stockholm by your figures)

QUOTE (CCVB @ 23.Mar.2011, 09:07 AM) *
I cant stand it anymore, electricity companies dare to charge people more per kwh in the months where they need it most which is more than a disgrace ( at least thats Vattenfa ... (show full quote)

electricity is a global spot market which means that prices reflect the basic principle of supply and demand. if you research it, you'll find that wherever you lived before also charged electricity prices based on spot market prices. also, be careful to consider carefully what you are comparing (apples to oranges ?). seems your swedish electric bill reflects your heating costs where temperatures were very low (below 0 F at times for days and even weeks). if you're comparing your electric bill from somewhere else and wherever that was isn't cold or you use another fuel to heat, then it's really rather naive to use this as an example.

QUOTE (CCVB @ 23.Mar.2011, 09:07 AM) *
so what is TV license for??????????????

programming like news, documentaries and the state channels 1 and 2. the channels you're complaining about are commercial TV.

QUOTE (CCVB @ 23.Mar.2011, 09:07 AM) *
This country works backwards and in totally illogical ways and since people accept all the shit, of course it works, why dont people revolt??

logic must be applied appropriately in order to be referenced. you don't seem to have a complete understanding of all things to consider to evaluate based on "logic". there are many things to compare and criticize about how things are done in sweden, but it's pointless to do so without a foundation of fact and base it solely on loosely observed irritations.
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jshelb2011
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:57 AM
Post #13
Joined: 17.Mar.2011

This walking past my kicthen window most days with another 5-10 in tow of the adult variety.

I had a crap start in Sweden but now i love the weather, the accessibility of things to do, people's helpfulness,and the seasons
 
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Fishtank
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:58 AM
Post #14
Location: Västra Götaland
Joined: 25.May.2007

007is spot on smile.gif

Cons:
Bloody immigrant folks whine a lot for no sweet reasons that's depressing. wink.gif
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JulieLou40
post 23.Mar.2011, 09:58 AM
Post #15
Location: Luleå
Joined: 19.Oct.2009

I'd be interested to see how the OP thinks Sweden has cheap beef!! It's the most expensive beef I have ever seen or heard of in my life, apart from that Kobe stuff from Japan!
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