(edit title) Right of Residence Registration Help Please EU Citizen Options

[westy7]

Good afternoon all

Me and my Fiance (Swedish) have decided to move from the UK to Sweden, we are here now and I need to register my right of residence as an EU citizen.

I've been to the local office here in Mora that deal with this and they have provided me with a form thats for NON EU citizens, it clearly states on the top that for those within the EU a diffrent form is required. My partner went in and queried this for me and they told her that i could still use this particular form.

This doesn't seem right to me as apparently this will place me into a queue that takes around 7-9 months for an approval to live here which I dont need because im within the EU. It feels like im being sent around the houses a bit.

I decided to go online to the official website (Migrationsverket.se) and there is an online registration for european citizens so i thought this would be the best way to do it but once i proceed it asks me to select either, employee, self employed, or services but im going to be looking for work. So I am kind of stuck.

This is the link to the EU member online registration:
http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/1231_en.html

From what i have been told, I understand that as a British Citizen I should be able to register my right of residence and get my confirmation through fairly quickly and its embarassing to keep going into the local office and asking the same thing, they insist this is the correct form but even I can see theres something wrong, its for NON EU members needing a residence PERMIT which is diffrent.

Please help! Thanks

[Ankinette]

Hello!
What form did they ask you to fill, something like "moving to someone in Sweden", right?
Also, do you have a job here already, or are you studying at a Swedish Uni?

[westy7]

Thanks for quick reply,

No the form they gave me is "Application for residence permit to settle in Sweden"

"Use this form if you want to apply for a permit to settle in Sweden. You must also use this form when applying for an extension of your residence permit. Children under the age of 18 years must apply on a special form called Application for residence permit for a child under the age of 18 years to settle in Sweden MIGR 162011. (NOTE: EU/EEA Citizens, relatives of Swiss citizens, long term resident in another EU/EEA country and there relatives must use a different form.)

and to the second question, no.

I will be searching and applying for jobs as soon as i receive my personal number (which i can obtain after this stage I am told)

[Ankinette]

Ya i was told to fill this form too, by them, but its not correct, at least i dont think so.
Im still doing the process. It takes months apparently
What i did, i was in the same case as you, was to fill the "person of own funds" to apply for the Right of Residence (not residence permit) http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/199_en.html
I attached a copy of my Swedish boyfriend work contract, a letter from him saying he will support me, and a copy of my EU health insurance card (not sure if thats relevant...).

But as i said, i dont know if that was correct, as i havent heard from them (i sent it 5 weeks ago now)... But i have been discussing with a few people and think that it could work this way. There is another thread here called "moving in december", only from a few days ago, where some people have been discussing this problem.

It's funny how some people on this forum have told me in the past "for god sake woman, how can some people make a simple process look so complicated!", but every couple of weeks someone else come here with the same problem... Cant be that straight forward. I have been dealing with Migrationsverket since the end of June, and got told like 5 different versions, basically no one there, or at Skatterverket is willing to tell you clearly "you need to fill THIS form and attach THIS AND THAT".

Anyway, to then apply for your personal number, you will need this document showing that you have the right of residence in Sweden.
OR a work contract, if you find work without your perso number, you can just apply for it with ur contract and i think its faster and easier.

[Bender B Rodriquez]

Welcome to the world of government incompetence.

[hjoian]

do it on the MV website. You can register yourself as self supporting or person of adequate means. They may ask for bank statement and health insurance. Your EHIC/ european health insurance card from the UK IS VALID for this. Permit has to be issued within 6 months of application. I reminded them after 5 months of that obligation,and recieved it a week before the 6 month deadline.

[oddsock]

To be honest, I don't think you need to do this.

First thing I did in Sweden was register myself in folkbokningsregister at Skatterverket (i.e. get a Personnummer). They told me that I then had to go to fill in form with migrationsverket.

I did it and I got a statement from Migrationsverket that basically said: "Person XXXXXXX is an EU citizen and therefore has a right to reside in Sweden and does not need a work permit." Nothing I didn't know already.

I think it's a left over from the days before they joined the EU. When I lived in Holland I had an "alien card" which they asked me to renew at the Immigration Board. I didn't bother. I lived there for another 7 years without the "alien card". Basically when you are an EU citizen in an EU country they can politely ask you to do all these kinds of things, but they can't require it, because you have a right to live in the country already.

So I wouldn't worry too much about it... but just do it anyway so that you are in all their databases. It's important in Sweden to be "fully in the system" But I think once you have the personnummer you are fully in the system. But may as well do the migrationsverket thing too. But I'm sure it wouldn't matter.

[Ankinette]

No as an EU citizen you don't need a work permit, or residence permit. But u still need to register your Right of Residence, in order to get your PN, unless u already have a job or u study at Uni, apparently.

[ithinkimtink]

The idea behind the "4 option" registration (study, employed, provider of services, sufficient funds) is to make sure people do not come to Sweden just to collect unemployment and healthcare benefits.
They need to make sure you will not be relying on the state for money without first working to "earn" that right... in a way.
Right now your fiancé must be working somewhere to support you both, right? And this person probably has a Swedish nationality still?
Then you would be in the same shoes I was in:
Option 1: find a job without having a personnummer, explain to your future boss that you will receive a personnummer when you are employed.

Option 2: Go to (your nearest/a) migrationsverket office, find the form applying for a right of residency based on family ties/relations with a Swedish national. Fill it out, wait around 4-5 months. Make sure you try and stay on top of it, calling them is usually futile because if no-one is available they just hang up (at least my office did, no line or anything). Try to get the name and number of your case worker once your case has been assigned (couple of weeks). Call this case worker to ask if they need more information. You most likely get forms sent to your home which you and your fiancé need to fill out, which ask about the seriousness of your relationship.
Because you are an EU citizen you do not need to apply for residency from your home country, and after your relationship is deemed serious enough (you are getting married, that will do it) you will be granted a right of residency for a period of 2 years, which needs to be renewed before that period ends.
NOW you can go to your local office and register your right, and receive your personnummer within a week or so.

So unless you have a heap of money in your bank, or a job, it is going to take its merry time.

[ithinkimtink]

To be honest, I don't think you need to do this.(...)Basically when you are an EU citizen in an EU country they can politely ask you to do all these kinds of things, but t ... (show full quote)

To be honest, I don't think you need to do this.
(...)
Basically when you are an EU citizen in an EU country they can politely ask you to do all these kinds of things, but they can't require it, because you have a right to live in the country already. ... (hide full quote)

Yes as an EU citizen you have the RIGHT to stay in Sweden as long as you like, as well as find a job etc. However if you want the personnummer (which I have found to be "necessary" to go about your daily business around here) you need to prove in one way or another you are self-sufficient or of "value" to the Swedish society.

This to prevent the tax-payers in Sweden to have to fork out money to people who will never contribute back to the Swedish society.

[oddsock]

Fair enough, when I showed up at Skatteverket looking for a Personnummer I had a work contract in my hand. I got a Personnummer no problem. They then asked me (after I already got the personnummer) to go to Migrationsverket, which I found a bit strange.

Perhaps it's an idea to sign up as a student at a Swedish Uni. It's free for EU citizens and then "being a student" is enough reason to get a Personnummer. All the EU students get Personnummers no problem.

This to prevent the tax-payers in Sweden to have to fork out money to people who will never contribute back to the Swedish society.

Like advertising execs?

[hjoian]

Fair enough, when I showed up at Skatteverket looking for a Personnummer I had a work contract in my hand. I got a Personnummer no problem. They then asked me (after I already got the personnummer) to go to Migrationsverket, which I found a bit strange.

Perhaps it's an idea to sign up as a student at a Swedish Uni. It's free for EU citizens and then "being a student" is enough reason to get a Personnummer. All the EU students get Personnummers no problem.

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This to prevent the tax-payers in Sweden to have to fork out money to people who will never contribute back to the Swedish society.

EU do have a "right to reside" but YOU MUST register yourself for stays of more than 3 months. Its all on MV website and part of EC2008/38 rules. Register your rights of residence!!

[Johno]

Yes as an EU citizen you have the RIGHT to stay in Sweden as long as you like, as well as find a job etc. However if you want the personnummer (which I have found to be "necessary" to go about your daily business around here) you need to prove in one way or another you are self-sufficient or of "value" to the Swedish society.

I get sick of reading this on here, you dont have an unconditional right, only a right if you fullfill certain conditions. The second statement is also miss stating the issue, even if that is how it can look.

EU do have a "right to reside" but YOU MUST register yourself for stays of more than 3 months. Its all on MV website and part of EC2008/38 rules. Register your rights of residence!!

Yes, and you must go through the hoops of declaring I'm employed/of independent means/have health cover etc, finding how your circumstances fit into the slots.

Now the rules say you have the right to reside if you are even looking for work but that means get started early enough with funds and health cover to bridge you. Though I really have no idea how you follow this one through.

[StephenR]

Good afternoon allMe and my Fiance (Swedish) have decided to move from the UK to Sweden, we are here now and I need to register my right of residence as an EU citizen. I'v ... (show full quote)

Good afternoon all

Me and my Fiance (Swedish) have decided to move from the UK to Sweden, we are here now and I need to register my right of residence as an EU citizen.

I've been to the local office here in Mora that deal with this and they have provided me with a form thats for NON EU citizens, it clearly states on the top that for those within the EU a diffrent form is required. My partner went in and queried this for me and they told her that i could still use this particular form.

This doesn't seem right to me as apparently this will place me into a queue that takes around 7-9 months for an approval to live here which I dont need because im within the EU. It feels like im being sent around the houses a bit.

I decided to go online to the official website (Migrationsverket.se) and there is an online registration for european citizens so i thought this would be the best way to do it but once i proceed it asks me to select either, employee, self employed, or services but im going to be looking for work. So I am kind of stuck.

This is the link to the EU member online registration:
http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/1231_en.html

From what i have been told, I understand that as a British Citizen I should be able to register my right of residence and get my confirmation through fairly quickly and its embarassing to keep going into the local office and asking the same thing, they insist this is the correct form but even I can see theres something wrong, its for NON EU members needing a residence PERMIT which is diffrent.

Please help! Thanks ... (hide full quote)

I was very confused by this as well as it seemed to make no sense. But from what myself and my partner established was that unless you are moving there on one of the four conditions listed by others above, you're basically treated like a non-EU citizen which is why you fill that form out rather than the EU one.

At least that's the form I filled out and so far I've had two responses from Migrationsverket - one to confirm receipt of my application and a second one looking for a copy of my partner's ID card. I'm hoping that as they never pointed out that we filled in the wrong forms, that it was correct to use that form. On the other hand, and wouldn't be surprising with the legendary bureaucracy in this country, that one person just assembles all the forms and then another checks that they're applicable!

[Lungbög]

Skatt kept me waiting forever, when I finally got through to my case-handler (telefontid between 11:00 and 11:05, Mondays) he told me he was waiting for my confirmation from the Mig to go through.

Called the Mig and they looked at my file, said "oh, sorry, I thought we were waiting for your personnummer". Three days later I got my form from the Mig, took it to Skatt, and 3 days after that, got my PN.

Just ten days after that I got my ID card too