(edit title) Was It Obama's Surprise Present For Putin's Party? Note the Rantings of a Loony Conspiracy Theorist Options

[Snoopy!]

quick put on your protective glasses Trow is back with another conspiracy



hows the one hand typing coming along ?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Oh, pretty well, Snoopy, as you can see, as I am starting to get some action out of the left hand.

Have only to wait two weeks to see a doctor. The only alternative is to go to the ER at Danderyd, acting like you are at death's door for a complete examination when all one wants to know is one's blood pressure, and sugar count. My blood pressure was out of sight, so I have given up wine for the duration - whatever that is.

Mzungu was quite right to post the link about the cancellation, but it is more than just being angry, IMHO. Putin apparently is putting together a dossier about what really happened in Indonesia.

Since they are going to see each other next month in Mexico, it is quite clear that Putin has the goods on Washington, and will completely unload on Obama while there.

I imagine if Obama doesn't make amends, and promise to be good in future, we are into a new Cold War for sure.

[skogsbo]

Putin apparently is putting together a dossier about what really happened in Indonesia. Since they are going to see each other next month in Mexico, it is quite clear that Put ... (show full quote)

Putin apparently is putting together a dossier about what really happened in Indonesia. Since they are going to see each other next month in Mexico, it is quite clear that Putin has the goods on Washington, and will completely unload on Obama while there. ... (hide full quote)

It takes Putin a month, but you seem to have all the facts already? How do you gather so much true and accurate information so quickly?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

How ? By decades of study.

I'm sure that Putin could get his massive complaint together in less than a month, but that is the next time he will see Obama.

The delay is to put Obama on notice for a big confrontation, which will include Putin's days in Dresden when the CIA was knocking off Palme and Uwe Barschel - what only his counterintelligence and countermeasures prevented the world from spinning out of control to armageddon - Clinton's lack of control of Washington when his out-of-control Navy sank the Kursk - what the President had to write off $10 billion in Soviet debt to prevent happening again, and now this mess.

Washington bettter be ready for an ear full, and be conciliatory about it all - what certainly wasn't in Obama's re-election plans. It could really make a horse race out of it by November.

[jack sprat]

Putin has enough to worry about from crapping on his own doorstep, than to be concerned about any other world leaders at present.
Whilst he looks more and more like Stalin number 2 with every day that passes, his days of dictatorship are numbered.
Despite all his pathetic celeb type publicity stunts, the long suffering Russian people have clearly shown that they've had enough of his dodgy dealing, his puppet president,locking his main opponent behind bars while he fixed the election etc.etc.

His only serious support is from the rest of his gangster/mafia organisation of which he is the Godfather and chief beneficiary and the only reason he has survived so long.
His scumbag Mafia operators are spread out through most of Europe and Asia bringing nothing but misery to decent people everywhere.
The sooner he is blown away like a bad smell and becomes a forgotten piece of history,the better for the Russian people and the rest of the World

[Gamla Hälsingebock]

Where would this forum be without our esteemed Mr. Ford?

I just love the way he "jacks up" those here by his inciteful(new word ) plots and stories.

It leads to good reading and fun...and hey...one never knows the truth about a lot of things...right?

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Thanks Gamla, always appreciated.

The world at large is in a similar state of denial about the sabotaged crash as our resident deniers.

The President's Press Secretary Jay Carney has played down the cancellation, stating that it is no snub, and the Jakarta Globe, the place where the accident started, is most understanding, though no mention of the crash problems in the article or the related ones.

Ignoring it is getting to be like John Cleese famous statement about not mentioning "the war" aka WWII when talking to German guests at Fawlty Towers!

And the evidence about the Sukhoi dropping down to 6,000 feet is sure fire evidence that the air-conditioning system broke down in some way, most likely that it was pumping out the wrong gas, possibly even more asphixiating gas, leading to the panic.

Site inspectors should be looking for every piece of the air-conditioning system, especially the cannisters used, and doing autopsies on the victims on their condition when they died - a most unusual procedure, given their all cause of death, but most justified under the circumstances.

Just think how much better the world would be if our leaders were not so addicted to playing war.

[Snoopy!]

You seem to have all the answers Trow before anyone else!, including those much closer to the devastation which just in case your eyesight is failing as much as your your deluded alice in wonderland theories ill highlight the opening paragraph in bold for you.

The search and recovery effort at the scene of a Russian jet crash in Java, Indonesia, is being hampered by what authorities call "major logisitical problems" in precipitous terrain.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/internati...et-crash/942276

skogsbo Q: It takes Putin a month, but you seem to have all the facts already? How do you gather so much true and accurate information so quickly?

Trow : A Yesterday, 21:20
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How ? By decades of study.

Jesussss that had me in fits of laughter this morning ....decades of deluded theories is what you meant to write Trow

[jack sprat]

Truly astounding.
It's going to take some of the Worlds top aviation experts more than a year to figure out the cause of the crash and yet we have a guy here who can do it at the drop of a hat without even being on site

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120511/173382875.html

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Sounds like it may well take more than 15 months with the minister making no mention, much less explanation, of the plane suddenly descending 4,000 feet, and then crashing into that 7,000 feet high volcano.

It looks like the cover up is well on its way, just like what happened after that Chinook helicopter crashed into the Hill of Stone on the Mull of Kintrye on June 2, 1994.

We still don't have the explanation, though Walter Kennedy, Hugo Nogson et al. have explained that it was flying a kilometer south of the helicopter pad where it thought it would be landing, but the guy on the ground with the Covert Landing device led it straight into the Hill of Stone - what is still dismissed by other airplane experts as wild conspiracy theory.

If you start off from scratch from the crash site, you never get anywhere.

Just look at the crap the 9/11 Truthers have made of the highjacked planes, suicide bombers, passengers, etc. ad nauseam.

We live in a world where lies and cover ups are the order of the day when many surprises occur.

[Jamtjim]

Oh, pretty well, Snoopy, as you can see, as I am starting to get some action out of the left hand.

I guess that makes a change from having your "girlfriend" do it for you.

Have only to wait two weeks to see a doctor.

Is this the response you would expect from a doctor when reporting a case of injuries caused by an alleged poisoning Trow? No doubt they view you as a batty old nutcase and your credibility with the local health professionals seems as non-existent as it is on here!

The only alternative is to go to the ER at Danderyd, acting like you are at death's door for a complete examination when all one wants to know is one's blood pressure, and sugar count.

If you really suspected that you were displaying the long term symptoms of a poisoning, then that is exactly what you would do. Seems like you don't even believe your silly allegations yourself... no wonder the rest of us don't.

My blood pressure was out of sight, so I have given up wine for the duration - whatever that is.

Unfortunately it seems that you haven't given up whining...

Putin apparently is putting together a dossier about what really happened in Indonesia.

I don't know where you get your insider knowledge from (hallucinations perhaps?) but would it be so surprising if Putin was indeed collecting information about something which could negatively effect his county's entire aviation industry? That does not indicate conspiracy Trow no matter how much bollocks you try to dress it up in!

Since they are going to see each other next month in Mexico, it is quite clear that Putin has the goods on Washington, and will completely unload on Obama while there.

And how is this "quite clear" pray tell? Seems like your are adding two and two to make 5 billion.

I imagine if Obama doesn't make amends, and promise to be good in future, we are into a new Cold War for sure.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest; you seem to spend most of your time "imagining"!

How ? By decades of study.

Hahaha... I wouldn't call reading conspiracy nonsense then uncritically believing every single word "study" would you?

I'm sure that Putin could get his massive complaint together in less than a month, but that is the next time he will see Obama.

I'm sure he could, but as yet you have not shown us that he has anything to complain about simply made, as usual, a series of ill thought out and unsubstantiated allegations.

The delay is to put Obama on notice for a big confrontation...

See what I mean?

[Jamtjim]

The world at large is in a similar state of denial about the sabotaged crash as our resident deniers.

Nope, the world at large hasn't jumped to unfounded conclusions unlike you. It takes months if not years to establish why an aircraft has crashed, but yet you have already worked out the cause even before the fires are extinguished and the bodies have cooled. This type of premature conclusion has to be regarded as gibberish as you could not possibly have the information at hand to be able to come to it as the the necessary data has not even been found as yet.

And the evidence about the Sukhoi dropping down to 6,000 feet is sure fire evidence that the air-conditioning system broke down in some way, most likely that it was pumping out the wrong gas, possibly even more asphixiating gas, leading to the panic.

No it is absolutely not "sure evidence" of anything Trow and anyone with the faculty of clear though would see that. It is one possible explanation but there could be many others. Even if there was a problem with the air con, it still does nothing to confirm your rather rash hypothesis that the crash was deliberate!

Site inspectors should be looking for every piece of the air-conditioning system, especially the cannisters used, and doing autopsies on the victims on their condition when they died - a most unusual procedure, given their all cause of death, but most justified under the circumstances.

I'm not sure about Indonesian law, but if the same thing happened in Europe, every victim would have to have an autopsy so I don't see that this is an "unusual procedure" as you claim. Just you clutching at straws Trow.

So once again we see that you "conclusions" are fundamentally flawed and full of unwarranted and unjustified assumptions. As usual, you have been debunked!

[Jamtjim]

Sounds like it may well take more than 15 months with the minister making no mention, much less explanation, of the plane suddenly descending 4,000 feet, and then crashing into that 7,000 feet high volcano.

That length of time is quite normal with a plane crash investigation and indicated absolutely nothing nefarious!!

It looks like the cover up is well on its way, just like what happened after that Chinook helicopter crashed into the Hill of Stone on the Mull of Kintrye on June 2, 1994.

This pet conspiracy of yours has already been thoroughly debunked on another thread so it adds absolutely nothing to this current hypothesis but instead detracts even more form its likely veracity.

If you start off from scratch from the crash site, you never get anywhere.

So now you are an expert air crash investigator then Trow? Funny, I though you were just a nutter with a vivid imagination and a difficulty discerning between fact and fantasy!

We live in a world where lies and cover ups are the order of the day when many surprises occur.

That's funny because most of the lies seem to appear in your posts Trow!

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

Just more ignorant, malicious claptrap by our leading resident, anonymous coward.

My girl friend has nothing to do with my posting; doctors in Sweden don't make appointments, nurses do who gave me the first appointment she had while advising me to go immediately to Danderyd's ER if my condition worsened or come by early in the morning if my condition had deteriorated overnight; I shall be asking the doctor on the 24th if leisions can be detected on the pancreas, spleen and liver, and can ricin cause them, haven't backed away from my poisoning which I have been living with for over 15 years now. still hoping to determine who you are and sue you for defamation - what you could easily expedite by just simply stating who you are, etc., ad nausem.

You are a disgrace to the human race.

[skogsbo]

Tried, give it up on your chinook myth, I have torn it to shreds already. The crash site is the very first place to start an investigation, the moment it crashes you also impound the engineering records.
Having been to the AAIB several times in the UK, I could bore you, they have huge hangars with the wreckage of dozens of a/c crashes