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Prospects of a medical residency in Sweden

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afrikan_child
post 26.May.2012, 07:47 PM
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Hi all,
I have recently taken interest in Sweden and thus have been toying around with the idea of doing a medical residency in Sweden immediately after my medical education (which I'll be done in 1.5 years). However, I've a few odds against me and wanted to know if it's worth it to continue nursing the idea to just forget about it.
1. I'm not an EU citizen even though I'm currently studying medicine in an EU country (Hungary)
2. I do not speak Swedish
and
3. I am not a big fan of winter. dry.gif
I have seen many recruitment agencies arguing that language may not be an issue since I could enroll in a language crash course to learn Swedish. As encouraging as this may be, I know that I won't be offered any job until I can prove my language proficiency. And I keep wondering, what will I be doing during the language course?
Also, how is the cost of living. From what I've learned (online), a medical resident gets highest 2,000euros/month after taxes. Will this be enough for a modest living for a couple (me & my fianceé)?
Also, I was actually thinking of furthering my education until when I learned that Sweden just recently introduced tuition fees for international students. And oh boy, they're surely expensive! Are there opportunities for scholarships? How competitive are they?
I would be very grateful if anyone, having considered my situation, give me the best suited advice.
Thank you so much in advance!
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Puffin
post 27.May.2012, 01:05 PM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

Your situation is a little complicated as although you are studying in the EU you are not an EU citizen which means that you would need a visa with grounds to move to Sweden

You should probably contact the National Board of Health and Welfare licencing unit to discuss the process of recognition of your qualification
http://www.socialstyrelsen.se/applicationf...cetopractiseeea

However you would need to secure a job in order to move here and without fluency in Swedish it would be hard to secure healthcare work in Sweden - it used to be that some of the rural health authorities used to sponsor doctors with EU qualifications to learn Swedish - however most of these have disappeared owing to cutbacks

Also I am not even sure why you are considering a move to Northern Europe if you hate winter
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Yorkshireman
post 27.May.2012, 07:18 PM
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You say You study medicine now in Hungary, if I remember correctly You cannot do internship directly in Sweden. You need to apply for a license to practice medicine 1st. For that you not only need Swedish language, but also understand Swedish Medical Law.

There are different rules for Swedish, EU and non-EU, and if I am not mistaken the priority goes in a order something like:
Swedish resident - Swedish medical degree
EU citizen - Swedish medical degree
EU citizen - EU medical degree
non-EU citizen - EU medical degree
non-EU - Non EU degree ... very tough, may even have to sit additional education.

Since you are studying in Hungary, You learn hungarian before You do clinical work! And internship is part of the 6 years! (Is it the money difference that is attracting You? Try Norway wink.gif )
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 27.May.2012, 10:45 PM
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Joined: 25.Mar.2006

QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 27.May.2012, 08:18 PM) *
You say You study medicine now in Hungary, if I remember correctly You cannot do internship directly in Sweden. You need to apply for a license to practice medicine 1st.

The purpose of doing residency IS to obtain a license to practice medicine.
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Yorkshireman
post 27.May.2012, 11:19 PM
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Joined: 22.Nov.2011

Some countries issue medical license upon completion of studies.

From Socialstyrelsen:

You are not eligible to undergo Swedish internship if you studied in an EU Member State where doctors of medicine can receive licence to practise immediately after graduating. Then you should apply for a Swedish licence to practice directly.

Hungarian university courses are 6 years approx, with final year being practical, after which You are awarded the M.D.

In UK, for example, the course is 5 years, and once qualified from that, you must do 2 years general medice + specialisations before you get the full registration from the General Medical Council.

In Sweden, course is approx 5.5 years, after which you get a "Master of Science of Medicine", then you have to do the internship for a minimum of 18 months before you are granted a Medical License.

There are differences between countries, even within the EU.
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afrikan_child
post 28.May.2012, 06:08 AM
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Joined: 26.May.2012

Thank you everyone for your contribution. Unfortunately, the prospects look gloomy. My intention actually is to have a good start in my medical career by working & learning in a conducive and state-of-the-art medical institution. Sweden and Germany easily came to mind. However, as German seems a harder language to learn than Swedish (at least to me), I opted for the latter. But as it seems, I may have to reconsider Germany sad.gif
I really had high hopes for Sweden sad.gif

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Also I am not even sure why you are considering a move to Northern Europe if you hate winter

@Puffin: It was an insignificant excuse I gave for some humour. Obviously, you didn't see it as such. If you had lived all your life in an average of 38ºC, you'd feel the same.
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Puffin
post 28.May.2012, 07:57 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

I thought though that Germany had a surplus of doctors? Sweden ran recruiting drives in Germany to get some of the many unemployed doctors to come to Sweden

Which speciality are you considering?
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teslar
post 28.May.2012, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (afrikan_child @ 28.May.2012, 06:08 AM) *
@Puffin: It was an insignificant excuse I gave for some humour. Obviously, you didn't see it as such. If you had lived all your life in an average of 38ºC, you'd feel the same.

Humour or not, I suggest you don't underestimate the effect of Swedish winter, particularly given that you might well end up with 8 months of it per year. I used to love snow as a child but definitely OD'ed on it after moving to Sweden. I could die happily without ever seeing another snowflake in my life again, ever.

(Relatedly, I now also see California as one of the most desirable places to live in smile.gif )
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afrikan_child
post 28.May.2012, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (Puffin @ 28.May.2012, 06:57 AM) *
I thought though that Germany had a surplus of doctors? Sweden ran recruiting drives in Germany to get some of the many unemployed doctors to come to Sweden. Which speciality are you considering?

For now, I'm not so sure. Like many enthusiastic medical students, once I finish doing some practice in a field, I exclaim "that's where I wanna specialize in!". For example, after my urology practice last semester, I told myself, "yes! that's it, i'm gonna be a urologist!" But then I said the same after my cardiology, surgery & obstetrics and gynaecology practices.
But in all seriousness, I'm leaning towards internal medicine now. Maybe specialize in cardiology later.
Is this field very competitive in Sweden?
As for the doctors, were they really unemployed? Some people argue that they just wanted better pay with less working hours (and less taxes?).
And of course, because of this "brain drain" your prestigious country brought upon Germany, the gaps left are yearning to be filled by non-EU citizens like us.
Even though I may have a better chance getting in in Germany (albeit the language troubles), something deep down in me still prefers Sweden.
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California Girl
post 28.May.2012, 10:01 AM
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Joined: 17.Oct.2006

QUOTE (teslar @ 28.May.2012, 08:29 AM) *
Humour or not, I suggest you don't underestimate the effect of Swedish winter, particularly given that you might well end up with 8 months of it per year. I used to love s ... (show full quote)

On the other hand, I grew up in California and got thoroughly sick and tired of non-stop sun and droughts. Personally, I love the rain and am perfectly happy to deal with the cold and snow in winter. Interestingly, most of my friends ended up in cold, rainy locations as well. I can't help but think that all the droughts we went through as kids caused permanent psychological damage wink.gif
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Puffin
post 28.May.2012, 10:45 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

The weather may not be such a joke - most of the health authorities with doctor gaps to fill are in the Northern half of Sweden where you are looking at several months below minus 15C in a normal winter and in some areas a month or two with no sun
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Dr.Jelizaveta
post 17.Aug.2012, 09:30 AM
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Joined: 17.Aug.2012

Hi!

I'm also intersted in residensy in Sweden. So I have following questions, I would be very thankful if you help me:

1. I live and study now in Latvia, I'm EU citizen. To enter Swedish university, as I read, if I want to study in English I have to pass IELTS or TOEFL, is this right? And if I'm planning to study in Sweden, then I have to pass also an exam like in English, only it's called TOE, if I remember well. Is it true?

2.Is there a budget places for residensy in Sweden?

3. Sorry for my question, but I have looked homepages of some universities and didn't find residency. How it should be called?

4. What do I need to do to enter the university in Sweden?
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Dr.Jelizaveta
post 17.Aug.2012, 09:53 AM
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And why in all universities as master programmes is offered programme of biomedicine. It doesn't give posibility to work like a doctor after finishing this programme.
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nishantmiha
post 29.Oct.2012, 04:26 PM
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Joined: 29.Oct.2012

Hello,
I have been following the posts and doing some research but i think i am caught in between a struggle to decide whether to go for Germany or Sweden for Residency in Medicine. I would try to make my questions clear in hope of getting some answers.

1. I along with my wife,who is a EU citizen,want to do our Residency in Internal medicine and Gynecology respectively,in Sweden. We both are in final year of medicine in Romania. Do we need to go through an Internship before we get the AT or the license to practice in Sweden ?

2. How long does it take to get the license to practice and what is the minimum level of Swedish we need to know ?

3. Is there a tuition fee for the Residency in Sweden?

I would appreciate any help in this matter as the stress to get in a Residency post is pretty obvious to any final year Medicine student. Thanks in Advance.
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melvinmd
post 19.Dec.2012, 04:12 PM
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Joined: 19.Dec.2012

Hi this is Dr from Tirana,Albania and i would like to know what the process for fellowship or resedency in internal medicine in sweden.
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