(edit title) EU vs Non-EU Where does one draw the line SE, EU & Non-EU Options

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There are many on going and past discussions, involving discussions about EU and Non-EU cases. Phd residency permits, Uni fees.

Now it would be great to decide what separates Swedes from Eu citizens and Non-EU citizens.

Is it the economy ?
The WTO imposes stringent restrictions on world economies, often leaning to favor western economies. Specifically with IP laws on which it should have no say. ( Sovereign states must be able to decide what is right for their own economic conditions )
Financial havens like Switzerland do their part.
EU signs many free trade pacts.
Unilateral economic sanctions, cartelization and bullying of independent states.

Is it politics and political control?
Again sanctions and interference which decides (among few western powers), 'good dictators' and 'bad dictators'.

What exactly differentiates the EU from the Non-EU or for that matter individual countries in the EU. When these blocks of powers have greater influence, control and say over non-EU countries than with each other.

[mångk]

You might need to refine your question some what!

A swedish citizen by virtue of Swedens membership in the EU is an EU citizen but 'not really so' when they are in Sweden.

EU citizens have who are not citizens of Sweden have certain rights due to them through the laws of the EU.

Non-EU citizens in Sweden also have certain rights - but generally not to the degree that EU citizens have in Sweden and dependant on length of lawful stay and subject to purpose.

Of course that is not including international law, Council of Europe conventions and any bilateral agreements.

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( Sovereign states must be able to decide what is right for their own economic conditions )

Sadly this is not the case. EU member states have abdicated sovereignty to unelected overpaid, greedy lifetime bureaucrats that party in Brussels.

Each country should determine the desired and practical rates of growth with regards to immigration in specific industries and concerning housing & social services.

Today we see a disproportionate number of EU and Non-EU migrants unemployed and unable to avail themselves to housing that is suitable to their needs. This is not an indication of a good immigration/humanitarian policy.

[mångk]

Well in regards to immigration in specific industries they can to a large degree, subject to proportionality.

Housing - international law, council of europe conventions.

Social services - international law, council of europe conventions (and more than one).

Social services is more a part of EU now, due to the EU becoming a member of the council of europe however all eu member states are members of the council of europe in any event. This will more than likely end up in a stricter and tighter EU immigration policy and movement towards a highly circular migration.

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Sadly this is not the case. EU member states have abdicated sovereignty to unelected overpaid, greedy lifetime bureaucrats that party in Brussels.

For non-Euro countries both monetary and fiscal policy is decided on national level.
For Euro countries fiscal policy is decided on national level.

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Well in regards to immigration in specific industries they can to a large degree, subject to proportionality.Housing - international law, council of europe conventions.Social ... (show full quote)

Well in regards to immigration in specific industries they can to a large degree, subject to proportionality.

Housing - international law, council of europe conventions.

Social services - international law, council of europe conventions (and more than one).

Social services is more a part of EU now, due to the EU becoming a member of the council of europe however all eu member states are members of the council of europe in any event. This will more than likely end up in a stricter and tighter EU immigration policy and movement towards a highly circular migration. ... (hide full quote)

Getting ahead of myself there.

Note the EU has not yet formally acceded to the Council of Europe's human rights convention. Still in progress.

Edited to add:

It is the UK that has been delaying everything as they do not like complying with the European Court of Human Rights decisions: http://euobserver.com/22/115954

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Ah, you forgot a class from there, its Swedes, Nordics, EU and non-EU. Like Icelanders and Norwegians who are not a part of the EU have "special status" along with Danes and Finns being all "Nordic" (they even planned their own EU back in the 1970's). So they have had this "free movement" and "common social insurance" since the 50's.

But then when you are a permanent resident of Sweden, then in principle all rules apply equally. Though it seems sometimes some people are more equal than others - looks like the EU citizens get an upper hand than Swedish nationals.

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Whilst permanent residency is extremely generous in Sweden, Swedish citizenship is the only method to obtain all civil & political benefits.

No EU citizens do not get an upper hand on Swedish citizens.

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now for something lighter, perhaps only those who watched Brit TV may know it.

Baldrick: "What I want to know, Sir, is, before there was a Euro there were lots of different types of money that different people used, and now there's only one type of money that the foreign people use, and what I want to know is: how did we get from one state of affairs to the other state of affairs."

Blackadder: "Baldrick, do you mean: how did the Euro start?"

Baldrick: "Yes, Sir."
...
Blackadder: "Well, you see Baldrick, back in the 1980s there were many different countries all running their own finances and using different types of money. On one side you had the major economies of France, Belgium, Holland and Germany, and on the other, the weaker nations of Spain, Greece, Ireland, Italy and Portugal. They got together and decided that it would be much easier for everyone if they could all use the same money, have one Central Bank, and belong to one large club where everyone would be happy. This meant that there could never be a situation whereby financial meltdown would lead to social unrest, wars and crises."

Baldrick: "But this is sort of a crisis, isn't it, Sir?"

Blackadder: "That's right, Baldrick. You see, there was only one slight flaw with the plan."

Baldrick: "What was that then, Sir?"

Blackadder: "It was bollocks."