(edit title) Another citizenship questions Requirements for work permit duration Options

[mångk]

oops ... a lot of heated arguments here, working here and paying taxes does not mean intention to settle .. of course... but it should have been clear from day .1 , to help us ... (show full quote)

oops ... a lot of heated arguments here, working here and paying taxes does not mean intention to settle .. of course...
but it should have been clear from day .1 , to help us plan our future.
That is why am a little pissed.. ... (hide full quote)

But what are you 'pissed' at?

If you are 'pissed' at an illusion it is always best to correctly identify what the illusion actually is, what the reality is and what the consequences of that reality are!

[axiom]

Swedish citizenship rules, get even more interesting.

Say two people A and B each applied for a sambo visa.

A lives in Chile
B lives in Sweden, both submitted the application on the same day.

A counts his time for citizenship from the day he first arrives in Sweden or the Schenghen area

B counts his time for citizenship from the date he submitted the application.

If both applications take 8months(not unusual)

Then B can become a citizen 8 months ahead of A.

[Localer]

Tired of those who argues " I have payed taxes for the past few years" so I should entitle to citizenship, or benefits or whatsoever ! Paying tax does not means anything !!!

[*Trowbridge H. Ford*]

So why don't you pratice what you preach, mångk!

[wondering]

Tired of those who argues " I have payed taxes for the past few years" so I should entitle to citizenship, or benefits or whatsoever ! Paying tax does not means anything !!!

Why ?

Am I not contributing to society ? Am I not contributing to my local kommun ? When I leave will I get my money back even if say I have never gone to the hospital once ?

No .

I have done my part so why should I not expect to be rewarded ?

[axiom]

Tired of those who argues " I have payed taxes for the past few years" so I should entitle to citizenship, or benefits or whatsoever ! Paying tax does not means anything !!!

But isn't it taxes that fund benefits and social support?

Surely a state deprived of taxes cannot pay any benefits whatsoever

Certainly the most important duties as a citizen of any country is the respect for its laws and payment of taxes, ignoring either often comes with the most dire of consequences.

[Yorkshireman]

...I just thought that Yorkshireman's comment, in this case, was. I don't really see the rationale behind Sweden's decision, but I am pretty sure its not the some ... (show full quote)

...I just thought that Yorkshireman's comment, in this case, was. I don't really see the rationale behind Sweden's decision, but I am pretty sure its not the some one that he just espoused. ... (hide full quote)

It is a matter of degree of intention, and proving the intention, in terms of those that make and enforce the law:

Asylum Seekers, seeking protection/in danger if returned:
Given PUT immediately in many cases, intention is not to return home.
In situations where the political situation may change favourably according to intelligence reports, asylum seekers are given UT's as the intention is only allowed to stay until troubles at home resolved.

UT Sambo permits
Intention is to come to sweden to settle (for luuurv. )...given temporary permits, after initial investigation to determine relationship appears/is serious. 2 year permit, sometimes 1, PUT given once relationship has proven to be stable.

Student Permit
Coming for study, expected to return home (even sign to that fact) once studies completed.
No intention implied for settlement.

Work Permit
Coming on the basis of work. Not settlement. 4 years working, continued stay in sweden indicates intention to settle. They may issue PUT earlier or later, MVs discretion, and depends on when permit is due to expire.
Tricky one, is the intention to work, and/or to settle, it wasnt because of family ties, how to determine intention ... wait a couple of years, are they still working, Yes ... do they want a new work permit, Yes... ok that means they have no family ties here otherwise they would ask for sambo permit... haven't quite shown they intend to stay. Wait a little longer...

EU Citizen
Takes 5 years to get PUR. Hmmm, EU legislation seemed to make that worse for EU Citizens ... complaints?

Citizenship
5 years with permanent residency, to prove You are a good citizen.
If you have commited petty crimes, not paid fines, taxes etc... they extend that qualifying 5 year period, according to a predefined list of time periods depending what has been done.

Xenophobic...Sweden?

[skogsbo]

but it should have been clear from day .1 , to help us plan our future.

were their policies secret then? Or did you not bother asking? I suspect that all the information was just as freely available in Day 1, you just didn't ask until day 1200 or 1500?

This isn't the systems fault, they haven't misinformed you, if you didn't ask the questions.

[Localer]

Why ? Am I not contributing to society ? Am I not contributing to my local kommun ? When I leave will I get my money back even if say I have never gone to the hospital once ? ... (show full quote)

Why ?

Am I not contributing to society ? Am I not contributing to my local kommun ? When I leave will I get my money back even if say I have never gone to the hospital once ?

No .

I have done my part so why should I not expect to be rewarded ? ... (hide full quote)

easy, you work you pay the tax, there is no benefits in reward, its your duty to pay tax, so do other countries have the same law.

[animesh]

The onlly thing i am not happy about (read pissed) , is that when i called migrationsverket last month and asked them to check if i fulfil the requirements then they said "YES" and then i got to know about someone who had to wait 5 years after PUT and asked migrationsverket again via email and then they said "NO".
And i know many who have been living in this illusion for a long time.
Hope this detailed discussion on this forum will be of some help for the generations to come

[Meliwww]

Why ? Am I not contributing to society ? Am I not contributing to my local kommun ? When I leave will I get my money back even if say I have never gone to the hospital once ? ... (show full quote)

Why ?

Am I not contributing to society ? Am I not contributing to my local kommun ? When I leave will I get my money back even if say I have never gone to the hospital once ?

No .

I have done my part so why should I not expect to be rewarded ? ... (hide full quote)

Your reward is being able to live here in my country. Taxes are not a determining factor in citizenship. Furthermore, you should be happy we don't operate on a strict citizenship of the blood basis.

[axiom]

Your reward is being able to live here in my country. Taxes are not a determining factor in citizenship.

Taxes are a hugh determining factor in citizenship in pretty much every country. I can assure you that this is one of the factors checked by Migrationsverket.

Furthermore, you should be happy we don't operate on a strict citizenship of the blood basis.

Nonsense, no country grants citizenship solely and completely on a blood basis. If this were the case, you would only need to go back a few generations and even the royal family wouldn't be Swedish.

[wondering]

Your reward is being able to live here in my country. Taxes are not a determining factor in citizenship. Furthermore, you should be happy we don't operate on a strict citi ... (show full quote)

Your reward is being able to live here in my country. Taxes are not a determining factor in citizenship. Furthermore, you should be happy we don't operate on a strict citizenship of the blood basis. ... (hide full quote)

Trust me you NEED the money we are generating as taxes, for paying the pensions for YOUR pensioners. With the rapidly aging population that Sweden is facing be grateful that we MAY decide to stick around .

With my skills I am sure I am going to get hired anywhere in the world .

How confident are you ?

[Puffin]

Your reward is being able to live here in my country. Taxes are not a determining factor in citizenship. Furthermore, you should be happy we don't operate on a strict citi ... (show full quote)

Your reward is being able to live here in my country. Taxes are not a determining factor in citizenship. Furthermore, you should be happy we don't operate on a strict citizenship of the blood basis. ... (hide full quote)

You's be surprised how few "native" Swedes would pass that test . the whole of Skåne would have to go back to Denmark

So why are you posting on an immigrant board - trolling in your summer holidays from Högstadiet?

[Yorkshireman]

Taxes are a hugh determining factor in citizenship in pretty much every country. I can assure you that this is one of the factors checked by Migrationsverket.

Not so much about taxes, it is more about debts, especially if you have tax debts.

Trust me you NEED the money we are generating as taxes, for paying the pensions for YOUR pensioners. With the rapidly aging population that Sweden is facing be grateful that w ... (show full quote)

Trust me you NEED the money we are generating as taxes, for paying the pensions for YOUR pensioners. With the rapidly aging population that Sweden is facing be grateful that we MAY decide to stick around . ... (hide full quote)

So it won't be Europe You stay in then. Currently there are on average across Europe 4 workers per Pensioner, within the next 40 years or so that is expected to drop to 2 workers per pensioner. Will take a huge chunk of your pay for those pensions!

With my skills I am sure I am going to get hired anywhere in the world . . How confident are you ?

North Pole? South Pole? That is anywhere ...
I'm OK. And looking forward to spending My Pension, the part I payed for privately, plus the bits You pay ...though I do hope You stay around working long enough to pay My kids pension also!

...just being sarcastic...

Watch out in Your job interviews, there is a subtle difference between Confidence and Arrogance.