(edit title) Advice needed - citizenship questions for new born Our girl will be born abroad, implications? Options

[gplusa]

I think you're all missing the point here which is simply to tell everyone that once a year Dave puts the Maserati up on blocks, hires in a trainer to take care of the thoroughbreds, leaves his helpless and completely dependant employees to fend for themselves, and flies off to South Africa to holiday on his private estate with the blonde he finally acquired.

It's a wonderful world in there.

[skogsbo]

I think you're all missing the point here which is simply to tell everyone that once a year Dave puts the Maserati up on blocks, hires in a trainer to take care of the tho ... (show full quote)

I think you're all missing the point here which is simply to tell everyone that once a year Dave puts the Maserati up on blocks, hires in a trainer to take care of the thoroughbreds, leaves his helpless and completely dependant employees to fend for themselves, and flies off to South Africa to holiday on his private estate with the blonde he finally acquired. ... (hide full quote)

But, then he returns and buys another car, to show his employees how rich they have made him whilst he was on holiday. He or they will fall out with the house sitter, the employees will have right party when he is away and Dave will complain about their lack of discipline afterwards. Meanwhile he will do some basic week counting and start to doubt that Mini Dave the 2nd isn't his, because he farts in C sharp and Dave farts in D.
Finally he will argue with his amazingly beautiful, model like, attractive Swedish blonde wife/partner? that his student beer mat collection and the 200 piece lead Lord of Rings figures aren't appropriate for the living room any more.

[dave.smith]

M - I can work remotely from my laptop. It's not completely a holiday.

Skogs - very funny. Since we have similar living conditions and interests, I thought you would be smarter than that.

Gpl - it's amazing how you can post so coherently in every thread until it's one I start, then you post utter unadulterated garbage. Please explain that!

[mångk]

Dave, I don't think thats really the question!

It's more about what questions you should be asking yourself and how you should be looking for the answers.

Lets take one line of thought...

Do you agree that giving birth, even though it is completely natural, is a stressful event?

Do you agree that in such a stressful time it is beneficial to have a network of family and friends around?

Do you agree that being in a different country can be stressful and can lead to culture shock?

Do you agree that the stress of birth, amongst other things, can have consequences such PND?

Is it possible that the combination of having a young child to take care of, being in a different country away from the network of family and friends, and giving birth could lead to problems that are detrimental to the health of the mother and baby?

Do you agree that having the support of the network of family and friends can be crucial when dealing with cases of PND?

Have a look at your answers to that line of questions and then ask yourself another one, Is your partner going to be having a holiday in the sun?

And one more to ask yourself, Who is the holiday really for?

Now after answering those questions has your view point changed?

[Puffin]

Puffin, I understand what you're saying, but we will be flying 2 months before the actual birth...

so you won't be covered on your travel insurance as flying at 32/33 weeks will make the outward flight hard to insure as most policies won't insure above 28 weeks - you will need to find a specialist insurer for her travel out

She musy be very brave to risk a whole new medical team at that stage of pregnancy - the costs may be huge if there or complications or if the baby needs special care

[Meatball]

Dave - both my sons were born in South Africa. With the first one, we were living there and as I am South African he simply got citizenship and my husband registered him with the Swedish Embassy in Pretoria, who then issued him with a person number.

Second son was also born in SA. I lived in South East Asia at the time and as it was not an option to give birth in Indonesia so I went home to give birth. Not allowed to fly after week 31/32 weeks and you need clearance from your doctor to state that everything is going well, that your wife has had a good pregnancy etc...Once the little one was born, he got a temporary South African passport valid for 6 months after which we could apply for a 5 year passport. He was registered again in Pretoria and with the personnummer they issued, we applied for his Swedish Passport in Singapore. And yes you will have to apply for a visa for him but since both you and your wife has Swedish Passports it won't be a problem. And once you are back in Sweden, you have to register him/her here at the South African Embassy for dual citizenship.

Also, I had to fork out R20 000 before being admitted to hospital (but off course that was claimed back from private insurance, don't think you will be able to that unless you have private insurance)

Hope that helps somewhat...I don't have any naff or snarky comments since I don't know you that well...

[Puffin]

My advice would be to birth in the UK.

Maybe in the Portland

But I couldn't cope with the lack of privacy in the average UK hospital - in most you have to go through the early labour stages in a larger ward in front of other people - my UK friends and relatives are jealous of Swedish care - especially my cousin who was forced to give birth in front of a ward full of people as no delivery room was available

Alao Sweden is statstically safer with much lower infant mortality than the UK

[mångk]

She musy be very brave to risk a whole new medical team at that stage of pregnancy - the costs may be huge if there or complications or if the baby needs special care

Has Dave asked her what she wants and what she thinks???

Has he asked how she will cope with things without her family and friends???

I think there are many questions that should be asked and answered before even thinking about insurance or booking the flight!

[Puffin]

It is a big thing to give birth in a different country

Insurance is a big issue - most people don't think about it - they assume that if the doctor allows them to fly at 32 weeks then they are covered by travel insurance but this is not the case as travel policies usually only cover you until week 28

There is also a possibility she might suffer complications in Sweden and be unable to travel at all

[Meatball]

Oh yes Dave, you know all these people are talking KAK, so I am not going to answer or defend any of these comments, it will just evolve into mud slinging from people that have no experience of South Africa and its medical systems.

[skogsbo]

Skogs - very funny. Since we have similar living conditions and interests, I thought you would be smarter than that.

Sadly it wasn't funny, my post was a condensed version of your topical posts over the past 12months. The only bit I swapped was the lead figures, it was really a feud over a jar of sweets in real life?

Dave, honestly, you are not good at managing people and situations. Try and make decisions that limit the need for them, or their intervention, life will be so much easier for you both and probably nicer for your kids too.

Is the birth going to be more complex if you go to SA? yes, answer is don't go,
If I take a long holiday, will the management of my business suffer? yes, answer is stay local.
etc..
If you are trying to balance family life and that of running a business, you need to learn to risk management, ie. reduce it, don't add to it.

[Hamsterdam]

Why anyone wastes their time on this mug is beyond me. What has he ever learnt?

[mångk]

Sadly it wasn't funny, my post was a condensed version of your topical posts over the past 12months. The only bit I swapped was the lead figures, it was really a feud over ... (show full quote)

Sadly it wasn't funny, my post was a condensed version of your topical posts over the past 12months. The only bit I swapped was the lead figures, it was really a feud over a jar of sweets in real life?

Dave, honestly, you are not good at managing people and situations. Try and make decisions that limit the need for them, or their intervention, life will be so much easier for you both and probably nicer for your kids too.

Is the birth going to be more complex if you go to SA? yes, answer is don't go,
If I take a long holiday, will the management of my business suffer? yes, answer is stay local.
etc..
If you are trying to balance family life and that of running a business, you need to learn to risk management, ie. reduce it, don't add to it. ... (hide full quote)

Or learn to deal with managing people and situations!

Without seeming to be nasty or belittling...

One really is walking into another 'sweets jar' moment. But the consequences could be significantly more serious!

It is a situation where you have a history of pattern of doing something and being blinded by that history or pattern and not being able to see that the history or pattern may no longer be the best thing to do given the current circumstances!

I cannot state strongly enough that given the history, have a stay at home holiday this time, take the time to spend with your partner and child and take some time to undertake some type of cognitive thinking course that can provide you with tools to deal with people and situations!

Think about your education and how it gave you the tools to be able to do your job. Now I take it when your customers give you a brief you are able to change what you do (and even how you do it) to suit the needs of your customers. It is not that you do not have the ability to manage people or situations, it is that you don't have the experience or the toolset to do so given your background. By taking a course in cognitive thinking you may be able to formalise or learn tools that you can apply to different situations.

[Hamsterdam]

That's all fine but how is he going to put the baby carrier in the horse box?

[mångk]

It is a big thing to give birth in a different countryInsurance is a big issue - most people don't think about it - they assume that if the doctor allows them to fly at 32 ... (show full quote)

It is a big thing to give birth in a different country

Insurance is a big issue - most people don't think about it - they assume that if the doctor allows them to fly at 32 weeks then they are covered by travel insurance but this is not the case as travel policies usually only cover you until week 28

There is also a possibility she might suffer complications in Sweden and be unable to travel at all ... (hide full quote)

Insurance certainly is a big issue!

But I think what has happened is that Dave has taken a very narrow logical 'trip' and has stopped at the end which is the citizenship question. All of the other questions that should be asked or addressed do not exist along the path on this narrow logical 'trip' and have not been dealt with!

We all do it sometimes to varying degrees!